Nvr2Thick

8. Send me yours first. (?)

From my early years:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhFy4qZ0ah8
 
Later years:
 

 
These days (even though officially not a group):
 

OK. Just one more. This song got me hooked on them.
 

Create a separate phone number for your business. Do not affiliate it with your real name. If you use Google Voice, create a separate Google/Gmail account to associate with the voice number. Do not use your real name when creating that Google/Gmail account.
 
The photos you use in your ads should only be used in your ads. Do not allow photos to cross between your ad and your personal social media pages - Facebook, Tumblr, Instagram, Twitter, and even Model Mayhem.
 
Use a separate handle and e-mail account name for your business, and don't register it with your real name. If you have a handle or name you use in your personal life, especially as a social media account name or email address, don't allow it to blur into your business.
 
Your escort persona needs to be a distinct persona if you want to maintain privacy. Give him a name and make sure that all Internet accounts are associated with that name, not your own name. His pictures are not your pictures. His friends are not your friends. This may also help you to disconnect when you retire.
 
There may still be ways for outsiders to make the connection between your business persona and personal life, but these precautions will help to eliminate the most obvious 1-2 step searches.

Your speculation is plausible, but it's still speculation. You're detailing various and wildly differing scenarios where clients could have been at fault. I could easily speculate on all the wildly different scenarios where masseurs mistreat clients or build a base of false positive reviews.
 
We don't know who you are either. It's equally reasonable or suspect to suppose that you, a hot muscle cub, could represent a scenario proving that Grant performs better for good-looking built guys. It's reasonable to speculate, since you seem to have joined this forum for the express purpose of responding to four year old comments about Grant, that you might actually be Grant or Grant's friend.
 
The advantage that this forum has over review postings on Yelp or one of the massage sites is that we start to develop some background on the frequent posters. We can gain insights into the potential credibility of a forum member. Over time we can come to trust the comments a member makes. Other times we develop mistrust for long-time whiners or clearly vindictive personalities. We'll come to trust your comments more as you participate in the forum and show interests beyond Grant.

Your speculation is plausible, but it's still speculation. You're detailing various and wildly differing scenarios where clients could have been at fault. I could easily speculate on all the wildly different scenarios where masseurs mistreat clients or build a base of false positive reviews.
 
We don't know who you are either. It's equally reasonable or suspect to suppose that you, a hot muscle cub, could represent a scenario proving that Grant performs better for good-looking built guys. It's reasonable to speculate, since you seem to have joined this forum for the express purpose of responding to four year old comments about Grant, that you might actually be Grant or Grant's friend.
 
The advantage that this forum has over review postings on Yelp or one of the massage sites is that we start to develop some background on the frequent posters. We can gain insights into the potential credibility of a forum member. Over time we can come to trust the comments a member makes. Other times we develop mistrust for long-time whiners or clearly vindictive personalities. We'll come to trust your comments more as you participate in the forum and show interests beyond Grant.

Always amuses me when posts over 4 years old get resurrected. Makes me question motive as well...

Perhaps you ought to ask yourself whether you would want you to massage you. "You" being someone who joined the site yesterday and proceeded to take a rather disparaging tone with people who could be potential clients. Is that the type of energy you would want your masseur to bring to a massage?
 
While we are on the topic of hiding behind a computer, where is the link to your massage ad?

It's my old soul

I was born 09/09/1987 I'm 29 this year, is the facial hair that gives me the almost 10 year older look. I've had a mustache since I was 10.

I remember them. I doubt they're sold anymore.
 
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/85/e7/e5/85e7e5a0203969b2cfa902037ffd3fdb.jpg
 
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5500/c7aff/products/524/images/1684/hot_dig_fig_bagel__40012.1414588440.1280.1280.jpg?c=2

Now they just advertise this using their Crescent Rolls Dough.
 
Gman

You can make little insinuations during sex, subtle things like "let me suck that (NAME OF COLLEGE) graduate's big dick", "you look so much better naked than in your mug shots", "Yeah, kiss me like you kissed you boyfriend in those Facebook pictures", "harder, harder like if you were pumping your credit report", etc

Perfect pix for a fake Backpage ad.
 
~ Boomer ~

Create a separate phone number for your business. Do not affiliate it with your real name. If you use Google Voice, create a separate Google/Gmail account to associate with the voice number. Do not use your real name when creating that Google/Gmail account.
 
The photos you use in your ads should only be used in your ads. Do not allow photos to cross between your ad and your personal social media pages - Facebook, Tumblr, Instagram, Twitter, and even Model Mayhem.
 
Use a separate handle and e-mail account name for your business, and don't register it with your real name. If you have a handle or name you use in your personal life, especially as a social media account name or email address, don't allow it to blur into your business.
 
Your escort persona needs to be a distinct persona if you want to maintain privacy. Give him a name and make sure that all Internet accounts are associated with that name, not your own name. His pictures are not your pictures. His friends are not your friends. This may also help you to disconnect when you retire.
 
There may still be ways for outsiders to make the connection between your business persona and personal life, but these precautions will help to eliminate the most obvious 1-2 step searches.

Information isn't necessarily aggregated as it is scattered. Google and other tools do the aggregation on the fly.
 
The most common links I find are:
 
Phone number:

The phone number may link to a directory giving name and address. Some of these directories managed to get ahold of the information provided to the cell provider when the phone was registered. Sometimes even a burn phone can carry some registration information. You aren't required to give a valid name in some instances. For example, when Rocco Steele first started escorting I was able to look up his real name and address by Googling his phone number from his first Rentboy ad. Now if I look up his current ad's phone number using a deeper directory search I only see this phone registered to "Rocco S".
Using the same phone number in business postings, or on personal posts or tweets, or classified ads can lead back to other personal information. An escort, for example, was selling a car on a social media group page. His phone number is in one of the responses, as is his real first name. He provided an address to an interested buyer. Even though his phone number itself didn't provide a search back to a directory with his name I was able to quickly turn up his first name and address. Searching on his address might turn up another piece of information. The car sale occurred years ago, but that information will still be available for quite some time.

 
Pictures:

Some guys use the same "G" pictures on escort ads and personal social media profiles. Google Image Search will quickly expose their identities in this case. Even if a guy crops his head off of a good body shot the image search may turn up the uncropped picture.

 
Profile names and email addresses:

If I used my Nvr2Thick handle as an email address that may also provide a link back to other social media posts where I provided an address. If I set up a gmail or yahoo address with that handle I may have provided my real first and last name when I registered. A search on that handle may pull up personal profile information, depending on how much the provider exposes and how well I've set my privacy settings.
If an escort provides an e-mail address it may provide another such link to relevant information if his handle on this site or on Rentmen is different.
If an escort is visiting Cleveland, for example, I might get on Adam4Adam or BarebackRT for Cleveland and stumble across (or aggressively search for) his escort and/or personal profiles. An escort may be advertising on one of those sites as Niner4Sale and cruising personally as HotBlkDaddy. A search on either of those handles may turn up a matching e-mail address or a profile with more personal information on another site.
Obviously it's not just escorts, but a lot of people have been using the same handles for decades now as an alter-ego or online identity. I hired my first escort in the mid-80's from an Advocate Classifieds ad. Quite a few years after he retired I found him in an AOL chat room. To this day his AOL handle is wired into his life. If I search that handle I find him on Facebook, Tumblr, all sorts of Craigslist ads, hundreds of personal pics on Photobucket...

It may seem complicated, but often when I find someone I'm looking for (escort or not) it often takes a few short hops. Here are a few fictionalized examples:
 


A Miami escort calling himself Hugo might have a good head and torso pic on his ad. I perform a Google Image Search and it turns up the same pic in a bodybuilding social media site profile for MaxBeastXMan. One of the comments under his progress pics says "Looking awesome buddy!" from a profile named "ArnoldWheatley". I look up Arnold Wheatley in Miami on Facebook, and scan his FB friends for a guy named Max, and I end up finding Max's personal profile and full name. That's probably five minutes of searching.
 
A phone number search on a supposedly 28 year old LA escort turns up the name Martin Ramirez. There are hundreds of matches on that name in California, but one of the first five hits from a Google search on "Martin Ramirez" "Los Angeles" pulls up a list of MyLife or White Pages directory profiles including a 32 year old Martin Ramirez, along with a list of possible family members. One of the family members is a 56 year old named Xiomara Ramirez. There are only a handful of people with that name on Facebook, and only two in California. One of those Xiomaras turns out to be his mom, and turns up the link to his profile. Five to ten minutes of simple mouse clicks.
 
A phone number search on an escort exposes a comment made on a post on someone's Tumblr. The owner of the Tumblr, ThickRickyPHX may or may not be important. The comment just says "Where u been Ricky - give me a call xxx-xxx-xxxx" from @MarcDaDJspins. A search on MarcDaDJspins turns up a crap ton of ads for Marc's performances as a DJ all over the Phoenix area, including his Instagram, his full name, his girlfriend's name... Ten minutes, maybe more if he's got some hot pictures on his Instagram.
 
Most of this doesn't require that you're "technically adept". When you Google something, you often just need to know which of the search results are worthwhile for the second Google search. The wordiness of my explanation may make this sound more technical than it actually is.

Every escort should read this. Please. Come to think of it every client too. We all need to be responsible and take precautions to protect ourselves.

Information isn't necessarily aggregated as it is scattered. Google and other tools do the aggregation on the fly.
 
The most common links I find are:
 
Phone number:

The phone number may link to a directory giving name and address. Some of these directories managed to get ahold of the information provided to the cell provider when the phone was registered. Sometimes even a burn phone can carry some registration information. You aren't required to give a valid name in some instances. For example, when Rocco Steele first started escorting I was able to look up his real name and address by Googling his phone number from his first Rentboy ad. Now if I look up his current ad's phone number using a deeper directory search I only see this phone registered to "Rocco S".
Using the same phone number in business postings, or on personal posts or tweets, or classified ads can lead back to other personal information. An escort, for example, was selling a car on a social media group page. His phone number is in one of the responses, as is his real first name. He provided an address to an interested buyer. Even though his phone number itself didn't provide a search back to a directory with his name I was able to quickly turn up his first name and address. Searching on his address might turn up another piece of information. The car sale occurred years ago, but that information will still be available for quite some time.

 
Pictures:

Some guys use the same "G" pictures on escort ads and personal social media profiles. Google Image Search will quickly expose their identities in this case. Even if a guy crops his head off of a good body shot the image search may turn up the uncropped picture.

 
Profile names and email addresses:

If I used my Nvr2Thick handle as an email address that may also provide a link back to other social media posts where I provided an address. If I set up a gmail or yahoo address with that handle I may have provided my real first and last name when I registered. A search on that handle may pull up personal profile information, depending on how much the provider exposes and how well I've set my privacy settings.
If an escort provides an e-mail address it may provide another such link to relevant information if his handle on this site or on Rentmen is different.
If an escort is visiting Cleveland, for example, I might get on Adam4Adam or BarebackRT for Cleveland and stumble across (or aggressively search for) his escort and/or personal profiles. An escort may be advertising on one of those sites as Niner4Sale and cruising personally as HotBlkDaddy. A search on either of those handles may turn up a matching e-mail address or a profile with more personal information on another site.
Obviously it's not just escorts, but a lot of people have been using the same handles for decades now as an alter-ego or online identity. I hired my first escort in the mid-80's from an Advocate Classifieds ad. Quite a few years after he retired I found him in an AOL chat room. To this day his AOL handle is wired into his life. If I search that handle I find him on Facebook, Tumblr, all sorts of Craigslist ads, hundreds of personal pics on Photobucket...

It may seem complicated, but often when I find someone I'm looking for (escort or not) it often takes a few short hops. Here are a few fictionalized examples:
 


A Miami escort calling himself Hugo might have a good head and torso pic on his ad. I perform a Google Image Search and it turns up the same pic in a bodybuilding social media site profile for MaxBeastXMan. One of the comments under his progress pics says "Looking awesome buddy!" from a profile named "ArnoldWheatley". I look up Arnold Wheatley in Miami on Facebook, and scan his FB friends for a guy named Max, and I end up finding Max's personal profile and full name. That's probably five minutes of searching.
 
A phone number search on a supposedly 28 year old LA escort turns up the name Martin Ramirez. There are hundreds of matches on that name in California, but one of the first five hits from a Google search on "Martin Ramirez" "Los Angeles" pulls up a list of MyLife or White Pages directory profiles including a 32 year old Martin Ramirez, along with a list of possible family members. One of the family members is a 56 year old named Xiomara Ramirez. There are only a handful of people with that name on Facebook, and only two in California. One of those Xiomaras turns out to be his mom, and turns up the link to his profile. Five to ten minutes of simple mouse clicks.
 
A phone number search on an escort exposes a comment made on a post on someone's Tumblr. The owner of the Tumblr, ThickRickyPHX may or may not be important. The comment just says "Where u been Ricky - give me a call xxx-xxx-xxxx" from @MarcDaDJspins. A search on MarcDaDJspins turns up a crap ton of ads for Marc's performances as a DJ all over the Phoenix area, including his Instagram, his full name, his girlfriend's name... Ten minutes, maybe more if he's got some hot pictures on his Instagram.
 
Most of this doesn't require that you're "technically adept". When you Google something, you often just need to know which of the search results are worthwhile for the second Google search. The wordiness of my explanation may make this sound more technical than it actually is.

Information isn't necessarily aggregated as it is scattered. Google and other tools do the aggregation on the fly.
 
The most common links I find are:
 
Phone number:

The phone number may link to a directory giving name and address. Some of these directories managed to get ahold of the information provided to the cell provider when the phone was registered. Sometimes even a burn phone can carry some registration information. You aren't required to give a valid name in some instances. For example, when Rocco Steele first started escorting I was able to look up his real name and address by Googling his phone number from his first Rentboy ad. Now if I look up his current ad's phone number using a deeper directory search I only see this phone registered to "Rocco S".
Using the same phone number in business postings, or on personal posts or tweets, or classified ads can lead back to other personal information. An escort, for example, was selling a car on a social media group page. His phone number is in one of the responses, as is his real first name. He provided an address to an interested buyer. Even though his phone number itself didn't provide a search back to a directory with his name I was able to quickly turn up his first name and address. Searching on his address might turn up another piece of information. The car sale occurred years ago, but that information will still be available for quite some time.

 
Pictures:

Some guys use the same "G" pictures on escort ads and personal social media profiles. Google Image Search will quickly expose their identities in this case. Even if a guy crops his head off of a good body shot the image search may turn up the uncropped picture.

 
Profile names and email addresses:

If I used my Nvr2Thick handle as an email address that may also provide a link back to other social media posts where I provided an address. If I set up a gmail or yahoo address with that handle I may have provided my real first and last name when I registered. A search on that handle may pull up personal profile information, depending on how much the provider exposes and how well I've set my privacy settings.
If an escort provides an e-mail address it may provide another such link to relevant information if his handle on this site or on Rentmen is different.
If an escort is visiting Cleveland, for example, I might get on Adam4Adam or BarebackRT for Cleveland and stumble across (or aggressively search for) his escort and/or personal profiles. An escort may be advertising on one of those sites as Niner4Sale and cruising personally as HotBlkDaddy. A search on either of those handles may turn up a matching e-mail address or a profile with more personal information on another site.
Obviously it's not just escorts, but a lot of people have been using the same handles for decades now as an alter-ego or online identity. I hired my first escort in the mid-80's from an Advocate Classifieds ad. Quite a few years after he retired I found him in an AOL chat room. To this day his AOL handle is wired into his life. If I search that handle I find him on Facebook, Tumblr, all sorts of Craigslist ads, hundreds of personal pics on Photobucket...

It may seem complicated, but often when I find someone I'm looking for (escort or not) it often takes a few short hops. Here are a few fictionalized examples:
 


A Miami escort calling himself Hugo might have a good head and torso pic on his ad. I perform a Google Image Search and it turns up the same pic in a bodybuilding social media site profile for MaxBeastXMan. One of the comments under his progress pics says "Looking awesome buddy!" from a profile named "ArnoldWheatley". I look up Arnold Wheatley in Miami on Facebook, and scan his FB friends for a guy named Max, and I end up finding Max's personal profile and full name. That's probably five minutes of searching.
 
A phone number search on a supposedly 28 year old LA escort turns up the name Martin Ramirez. There are hundreds of matches on that name in California, but one of the first five hits from a Google search on "Martin Ramirez" "Los Angeles" pulls up a list of MyLife or White Pages directory profiles including a 32 year old Martin Ramirez, along with a list of possible family members. One of the family members is a 56 year old named Xiomara Ramirez. There are only a handful of people with that name on Facebook, and only two in California. One of those Xiomaras turns out to be his mom, and turns up the link to his profile. Five to ten minutes of simple mouse clicks.
 
A phone number search on an escort exposes a comment made on a post on someone's Tumblr. The owner of the Tumblr, ThickRickyPHX may or may not be important. The comment just says "Where u been Ricky - give me a call xxx-xxx-xxxx" from @MarcDaDJspins. A search on MarcDaDJspins turns up a crap ton of ads for Marc's performances as a DJ all over the Phoenix area, including his Instagram, his full name, his girlfriend's name... Ten minutes, maybe more if he's got some hot pictures on his Instagram.
 
Most of this doesn't require that you're "technically adept". When you Google something, you often just need to know which of the search results are worthwhile for the second Google search. The wordiness of my explanation may make this sound more technical than it actually is.

Wow... Amazing. Thank you for the thorough lesson!

I agree. Especially, since Rentmen, M4RN, A4A etc. have policies in place to perform criminal background checks of their advertisers to make sure their advertisers can be trusted, and none of them are scammers, or worse yet, thieves or murderers. :rolleyes:

Keep your mouth open but don't talk

He's an absolute zero.
 
(Never met the guy and have no opinion, just a bit of nerd humor.)
 
Kevin Slater

I would keep it to yourself. What possible good can you foresee coming from revealing the information? Do you think it will impress him?
 
Tip #2. Don't drink to the point that you lose control.