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You will be very surprised when you visit Paragonya for the first time. Initially, the sauna is awkward to locate. It is in an office-like commercial building. You would not expect to find a gay hustler sauna in the type of building the sauna is located. You must ring a bell to gain access. The place is exceedingly clean and is nicer than the fine sauna in Barcelona (Thermas). The horrible hustler sauna in Madrid (Adan) is no longer in business so you will not be tempted to visit there. In addition to providers available in Paragonya, there are many older Swiss customers who come to the sauna who sit in the bar area and visit with one another, not particularly looking for a provider. However, some of these regular customers have favorite providers they engage while in the sauna. Many of the customers walk around without shoes because the floor is so clean and made of excellent material. After arrival in the sauna, if it is busy, you will soon see some handsome provider giving you a look that you cannot resist; then you will find yourself on the second floor of the sauna sampling a unique very fine gay sauna with providers for pay.

I do not know if there are pay rooms. I never tried to find out. Usually, when I arrived at Paragonya, I quickly met a provider and reached an agreement. Out of habit, I always went to the "rooms" that are without cost. If there are "pay" rooms, I will try one on my next trip to Zurich. Yes, there is smoking allowed. However, there is no smoking allowed on the upper cruising level. There is a bar on the lower floor with a semi-restaurant along with a very nice sitting area near the bar. In that area, smoking is allowed yet smoking is not allowed in other parts of the sauna. To me, it seems silly, to say smoking is not allowed except in designated areas. Tell that to the smoke that floats through the air that can be smelled easily by those of us who do not smoke. The minor irritation of smoke does not out-weigh the fun that can be had with a provider in the sauna.

Rather than taking a provider to an airbnb, if meeting with a guy in Brazil for only a sexual encounter, there are countless "hourly" hotels in Rio and Sao Paulo. The providers know where the "hourly" hotels are located. The hotels cost around $R20 per hour unless you rent the "hourly" room for a longer period of one hour.

Depending on which part of the sauna, some providers go without clothes but mostly on the second level. The second floor is where the free rooms and showers and restrooms are located. It is not unusual to see a naked provider walking around on the second level. Most clients and providers wear at least a towel. On the first floor of the sauna, I have never seen anyone without clothes. In fact there is a sitting area where many clients sit and visit while wearing street clothes. On the floor where most agreements are reached, it is usually fairly dark and many providers are not timid about showing off what they have to offer. As to finding "cut" guys, there are some but many are not. You have to check for that while having a discussion of a possible get-together with a provider. https://www.paragonya.ch/preise and

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You are correct, saunas in Brazil and Spain are not noted for assaults or robberies. Of my countless number of times in Brazil and Barcelona saunas, I never had or heard of any issue of assaults. I did have my locker robbed once in Brazil but that was not an act of violence.

It seems you are enjoying Sao Paulo. Considering you ventured to the less popular sauna, Clube555, you also might want to venture to a different area of Sao Paulo that is safe during the day but without saunas - Centro. I recommend a "cine" on Rua Aurora near the corner of Av. Vieira de Carvalho. This location is less than two blocks from Praca da Republica where you can often find hustlers. However, be careful of meeting guys in the Praca because of the inherent danger and because of your lack of Portuguese. I do not recall the name of the cine but it is the only cine there. The cine is a couple of hundred feet (or less) from the intersection of Vieira de Carvalho on Rua Aurora. The cine is in the direction going away from Vieira de Carvalho on the left side of Aurora. It is hard to miss as it is the only cine business there and it has a long curtain blocking the street view into the cine. The curtain often blows into the sidewalk as you pass by. The entrance fee is minimal. There are usually a lot of garotos (hustlers) available in the cine. You can opt to do something with the garoto in the cine (in a booth) or you can agree to go to a nearby one-hour hotel for getting together. These garotos charge R$30 - R$40 reais in the cine or R$100 to R$150 in a nearby hotel. There are many nearby hourly hotels near the cine. Hotel London is but one hourly hotel I can think of, but there are many. Google shows the address of Hotel London. The cine and nearby hotels are cheap and seemingly clean. The hotels run around R$20 to R$25 per hour unless you engage the room for at least a half day. The above places (Cine and Praca) are worthwhile to check out to see if there are garotos you might like to entertain. To help you find the cine, below is a photo of the intersection near the cine. As you can see from the photo, both streets are identified. Just walk down Rua Aurora past the parking entrance until you come to the door with the long hanging curtain that often blows out onto the street. Here is the photo that should guide you to the cine:

The $R65 entrance fee you paid is charged only because it was a Friday night. The entrance fees vary beginning from R$40, depending on the day of the week. The garoto who asked for $R800 and $R700 did that because he is greedy but mainly because he could tell you are not a Brazilian. The guys are there to make money. If he thought you did not know the ordinary rates, he would have taken advantage of you had you gone along with his excessive asking price. If you get bored with Lagoa, you might want to take an Uber to the other sauna in Sao Paulo (usually referred to as Fragata but its current name is -http://www.clube555.com.br/ I was there only once. It is an attractive sauna. I do not know the garoto rates because I did not engage anyone there. The place was not busy when I was there.

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That does happen every now and again (provider being aggressive about being paid in advance).

Lagoa has rates from R$100 all the way to R$300 depending on how you negotiate with the garoto and the popularity of the garoto. Lagoa is located in a tightly fit building with several floors and lots of stairs (no elevator). Because the remodeling of the building, when it was converted to a sauna, did not include acoustic ceilings, conversational noise from people talking in the visiting rooms is rather distracting. Usually, while sitting at a table trying to have a conversation, it is necessary to shout or talk very loud to those you wish to communicate with. Other than the annoying stairs and lack of acoustic ceilings, the place is fun and often has some gorgeous and friendly garotos. Fragata, on the other hand, has lower rates for garotos although you will not find many garotos available. I was there a few weeks ago and found the facility attractive but the employees at check in and within the facility were not at all friendly. The place had about ten clients or maybe less and about five garotos that I could tell. It is possible there were garotos in the rooms that I did not see. The facility is in a very nice neighborhood. Although the neighborhood is mostly commercial, Fragata is located in an unusually attractive area of Sao Paulo. I went there only once. I did not find any garoto that I found interesting to me. I left the place after about two hours. On my next trip to Brazil, I have no plans to visit Fragata.

The ad says he has been advertising going on two and one-third years. The ad has nearly fifty thousand views. The ad also has zero reviews and no face or body photos. Unusual to say the least.

If you compare the two ads, in one ad he says he is gay. In the other ad he says he is bi - He also says he is 6' 1" in one ad but 6' 2" in the other ad. One does not shrink or gain one inch in one day. Then, in one ad he says he is 180 pounds but in the other ad he is 175 pounds. It is possible to lose five pounds in a day. Too many inconsistencies for comfort.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If a client had not been ripped off by an escort, the client would not come here to complain. "He said - she said" facto does not solve anything. Use a VPN and read rentmen reviews for the narratives that repeatedly show clients getting ripped off by dishonest escorts. Unquestionably, there are escorts who are dishonest. When a client gets ripped off by one of those dishonest escorts, clients complain. Conversely, not all escorts are dishonest. if the client is treated well and if the escort keeps his word about what will happen, there would be no need for a client to come here to complain. Occasionally, there are some rather weird escorts who sometimes post here. Not long ago there was an escort telling the forum that a client should be "grateful" to have him as an escort. Grateful? Why? The escort is getting paid in accordance with an agreement. There is no need for gratitude or being grateful. That same escort also stated that if an escort gets money in advance from a client an then does not deliver as agreed, it is the fault of the client for not checking out the escort's reputation. There are many escorts that post to this forum. Some are quite interesting and quite amenable.

Please let me modify what you wrote. This site attracts some clients who deservedly like to complain about being cheated or misled. Many clients have been lied to by escorts and cheated. Countess rentmen ads contain stolen or outdated photos which do not accurately portray the provider. Fortunately, in between the dishonest escorts are great escorts to offset the bad ones. For a client to complain about giving an escort money in advance is a legitimate complaint because there is a trend for many providers to insist on payment in advance then not deliver. Ignoring this forum, if you read the written narratives on rentmen about many providers (you need a VPN to see the written narratives) on rentmen), the chief complaint is that a provider insisted on money in advance and then did not deliver as agreed. No, this site does not attract the clients who like to complain. This site attracts, among other things, clients who have been ripped off because they paid a provider in advance and the provider did not deliver the promised goods. And, of course, this site also attracts like-minded people who like to discuss providers.

No matter the word or terminology we use to describe someone we hire, someone is likely to find fault in the description. Please all and you please no one. The term provider is descriptive and euphemistic, in my opinion.

Yes, many others are noticing price increases by providers! The increases are like a case of "monkey see- monkey do" Providers read the ads of other providers. Although rentmen no longer put rates or prices in the provider ads, it is a simple matter for providers to share information with each other (many are friends or acquaintances) regarding increased prices. When the majority of providers raised their rates, it is understandable why most other providers copied the trend and increased their rates. Some higher rates, however, are ridiculously high. Despite the virus pandemic and unemployment at record levels, the escort rates continue to increase. That is a mystery that needs a logical explanation.

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Thanks, we can always depend on you when someone forgets to include a link when discussing a provider.

As I initially stated, I did a reverse image search and found countless exact European photos of the same person who has an ad on rentmen for Los Angeles. Any client or anyone doing a similar image search would certainly have confusion and/or doubts as to the legitimacy of the rentmen ad considering the European photos of the same person. There are numerous other photos of the same person in other countries in Europe many advertising the person as age 39 and being a former model. Tennisjock vouched for the veracity of the Los Angeles advertising escort. That is fine. I have no reason to doubt him. Clients reading this thread will have additional information if they also do an image search on the photos in the rentmen ad. They will have more information to make a decision to contact or not to contact the person advertising on rentmen in Los Angeles. I changed the title of the thread considering someone from this forum has met the rentmen provider.

Thanks for your input. The ad could very well be genuine and legit. However, many clients know how to do an image search and will find what I found. That will turn off many clients who see the photos all over the internet. The blurred image link I provided will clear if you have your computer translate the ad. I realize that tennisjock is a long-time poster. That is why I recommended that the provider try to fix the issue of the photos appearing in countless sites, but mainly in Russia.

He should try to have the countless number of photos removed that appear when you do an image search on the photos in his ad. He also might want to have the Russian escort site correct his age. In his rentmen ad he says he is age 28. In the Russian site it says he is age 39. His ad is the easiest image search I have done. At least forty images showed without much search effort. All of the image results that he includes in his Los Angeles ad show that he is in Russia. He needs to fix the inconsistencies. Many people know how to do an image search and when they see the same photo for a person in Russia with an eleven year difference in age, he likely will lose clients. In addition to the link I provided in my above post, here is but one of many more Russian ad results you will find for the different photos in his ad: https://vkbase.ru/group/id118939361/photos/wall/5

I travel a lot and stay at a lot of different chain hotels in different cities and different countries. Over the past several years, most large hotels now require a key card to gain access to a room or to use the hotel elevator. Without such a card, a provider could not gain access to a clients room. The provider would have to be escorted up from the lobby. This means that the client would have to go to the lobby or first floor elevator to personally bring the provider to the room. If the provider is using fake photos of a different person and the client went to the lobby to bring him to the room, how would the client know who the faker is considering fake photos were used in the ad? How would the fake provider know who the client is? Hotels with elevator key card requirements are a good way for protection from fake photo providers. Any ideas about how a provider could get to a client's room without a card key for the elevator?