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Goodness me, the number of times you made me laugh on this forum.
I think I need to hire you for an hour of ... conversation.

I hate to say this, but I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Many masseurs get really nervous if you try to negotiate anything sensual upfront, they are not escorts and they don't know who is texting them, there is always the possibility of a setup. Add to that asking for a discount, and they might even blacklist you as an undesirable client. And if they don't, they are likely to go into the appointment determined not to provide an ounce more than what you negotiated.
 
I know, it sucks! Most of the time, you pay a lot of money for a meh experience and not nearly what you hoped for. Given your questions, you might be better off hiring from an escort site?

any Nashville recs for sensual massage and possible extras?

Yes! Fantastic guy, very good massage therapist, lots of fun, super nice and interactive. Really missed in DC. I would book it without hesitation

+1. Vander is so hot!

Excellent points above, agree with all!
 
I just thought about one more major annoyance. I am often tempted to have the masseur come to my place, because I am busy or whatever, and I definitely don't mind paying extra, but DO NOT MESS WITH MY TIME! Many masseurs, actually an unfortunate majority, are totally clueless about time management. You'd think that if one lives in Chicago, they should know that the traffic is bad, especially around the rush hour and evening. Plus why not use Google maps that will tell you how long the expected travel time is?
 
My boy Jake is a stellar exception here, yet again :-), super-professional in this respect, but there is this other dude Nikola in Chicago who checks all the boxes, super-competent and trained, cute, friendly, nice, chill, charges surprisingly low rates, but is usually an hour late and sometimes even more :-(. So I stopped inviting him despite all his other qualities and despite the fact that I would gladly pay DOUBLE what he charges if only he would fucking show up on time. Or within 15-20 minutes. I mean I am just busy, not anal or uptight, I just cannot spend the entire evening guessing when the masseur will show up, if I want a 90-minute massage it should not take more than 2 hours of my time.
 
PS I also had another masseur text me like 5 minutes into our supposed appointment saying that he needed to get some lunch and will come in like 45 minutes. Well, I certainly don't want him to massage me hungry, but why can't he plan his fucking day so that he doesn't run into these time conflicts? Needless to say, he showed up more than an hour late, and that was it, no more invites from me. These dudes need to realize that people willing to pay them $150-160 an hour typically ARE BUSY and value their time more than anything. Think about it, if I hire someone every month or even every two months for 90 minutes, that's like $1.5-3k a year, many businesses would do pretty much anything for that kind of client.

Capitano, I love how you write and get to the point. The one thing that turns me off and has not been mentioned is smell. Some masseurs eat lots of garlic and that’s a huge turn off for me. Also one of my favorite and very well known masseur in this blog likes to have his nipples kissed/sucked. But the last time I could smell that someone had been there already . I wish they could shower in between or at least use some cleansing wipes on their chest before their next client . I am not going to mention his name (he is one of the very best and I don’t want him to be offended ) but if he reads this I hope he’ll take note.

Additional tips:
 
1) KEEP your appointments with your clients. We juggle our schedules to keep our appointments with you. You do the same. I have lost count of masseurs who text me an hour before to cancel with a lame, transparent excuse....such as " I need to cancel your session. An emergency has come up." I am not stupid. I know the "emergency" is either they have another client that wants to book a longer session for more money.....or they are going out with friends for dinner. Flaky does not work to keep clients.
 
2) Do NOT text during the session. Yes, many times I am aware that my masseur will be texting other clients with one hand while massaging me with the other. (?) This leads to #3
 
3) Be PRESENT for your client during the massage. You are there for HIM. Don't watch the clock, text other clients, or give the impression you want to be somewhere else. I had a massage last night where the masseur was telling me during the massage how hungry he was and he could not wait till the massage was over so he could go get a pizza (?) That is insulting. It does not make you feel the love.
 
We are paying good money for these guys (to much money, in my opinion), and need professional, stable masseurs, not flakes. And if you are a professional, stable masseur you will have us as a regular, which is where the real money is. Your bread and butter is your regular, steady client base.

True, they can run their business any way they see fit, but the topic here is how to get repeat customers. So, no hard feelings either way, but it's about what gets us to come back. And, of course, repeat customers are extra valuable because they make income more secure and less variable, plus there is much less hassle and waste of time explaining and negotiating. Finally, repeat customers are likely to spread the good word.
 
Obviously, I like my massage to take approximately the time booked but I don't obsess over it if it turns out a little shorter. But I do get pissed off (quietly and to myself) if it's outrageously short. I usually go for 90-minute appointments, and have noticed that the guys I repeatedly go to are pretty good at timing. But my boy Jake rules wrt this. He is so nice, smart, so much fun, it's like hanging out with a close bud. He'll suggest jumping in the shower together, then usually asks me to sit on the edge of the bed while he gets behind and massages my neck. Priceless, a very nice wind down, a total opposite of that wham-bam-now-you-are-done-get-out approach. That is not just fair (I paid for 90 minutes, I should get 90 minutes) and respectful, it's smart on his part. Every time I hug him good bye I already look forward to the next time because the vibe is so good. I've had several other masseurs offer additional neck or other massage noticing that the time wasn't up. Always appreciated even if I usually turn it down and prefer a little chat as I put on my clothes.
 
Masseurs who schedule hourly appointments back to back are idiots in my books. That's sacrificing long term for the short term. It's greedy and myopic, and hardly entices anyone to come back, and that's just stupid form the business standpoint. My worse experience was with that Luka in Manhattan, who basically rushes you out as he scrambles to prepare the room for the next customer, so he basically wants you in and out of his building, not just his apartment, in less than an hour. It's like you are being processed on an assembly line, or how to spend $160 an hour and feel like crap in the end. Thank God he doesn't do 90-minute appointments, at least that saved me some money. Another dude in Chicago was doing outcalls and once he came to my place for an hour appointment. He was in and out of the door in like 50 minutes. Needless to say, I refused to see him again (yes, he texted and offered, who wouldn't want to make $150 in 50 minutes?) and then his ad disappeared. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who didn't like the approach.
 
This business is really good if you like doing it and are able to deal with people but it's NOT for everyone. If someone thinks it's quick and easy money requiring no skill or effort, it shows. And if it shows, you can't get a permanent customer base, so you are forced to travel and incur additional costs, hoping to find enough clients to put through your production line. Good luck with that!
 
One more thing I would add, and this is something that I realized gradually over time. I really like it when my masseur gets naked right away, when that kind of goes without saying. If I am going to lie there naked, let's be on a level playing field. Plus, if they don't get naked they tend to be warm, especially given that they work, while I may get really cold because I am naked and inactive. Them being naked gives them a better sense of the temperature in the room. I don't have automatic expectations about anything sensual, I like to leave that to the chemistry, but it seems that many don't do this for fear of setting wrong expectations, which I find unfortunate. But then that makes me appreciate even more those who do it plus are good masseurs.

http://mymassagereviews.blogspot.com
 
This should be required reading before trying a new masseur!

-STOP trying to finish 5 or 10 mins early. At that point you been at it for 50-55 mins. Just finish the last few minutes. Ending 5 mins or 10 mins early REALLY pisses me (and I imagine most clients) off. I promise you... if you get into the habit of going 5 mins OVER... you'll attract a lot more "regular" clients.
 
-DO NOT TRY TO UPSELL. Had a masseur today shove his fat hard cock in my face (super hot) and say "it's $60 extra if you want to suck it." SO ANNOYING. Work out all that stuff before the massage starts via text or when I show up at your door. Nothing kills a mood quicker than stuff like that. It's rude. Tacky. And insulting.
 
-Once the HE is over don't hustle me outta there. There are some masseurs (Who I'm a regular of) who have learned that after the HE... to continue with the massage for another 5 or 10 mins. It makes things so much more enjoyable. And ensures I will be back.
 
Any other tips you all wanna add?

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/vegas-massage-experience-what-would-you-do.94563/#post-869239

Really enjoyin this thread. I'm a mwm, and fit @sniper description too. Lol. I'm probably a 60 40 on the McKenzie (sic) scale. I especially enjoy seeing how far I can get with a str8 masseur, but I guess I also really like the aesthetic and sensual, intimacy/vulnerability of it all. Someone mentioned touch deprived, especially the male bonding, I was never into sports, go figure, right? And well, let's face facts, women come with way too many strings and emotions. Sometime, a nut is a nut, and it is good to have some guy time.

Consistently great massage experience with Jeremiah in Austin and DC!
 
https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/touchchicago.shtml

Consistently great massage experience with Jeremiah in Austin and DC!
 
https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/touchchicago.shtml

Killjoy, so do 1/2 the photos that are posted here, BUT I like to look at the Basket 1/2 full... so let me have my fucking Fantasy ! :confused:

Sorry you didn't enjoy yourself, but I wouldn't call Clark's music selections "horror movie soundtracks." They're more the High Romantic section of a Bernard Herrmann score, not the fall-off-the-mountain part of North by Northwest or the shower scene from Psycho. Lush, heading toward crescendo.

I can just hear Nat King Cole singing, "Unmemorable, that's what you are...."

Italians migrated primarily to Argentina, not Venezuela. The current pope is Argentinian, not Venezuelan.
 
Many Argentinians reference themselves as Italian because it is their heritage.
 
For the record.

Sensual Massage is focused on the actual touch of the skin. Stimulating the skin and the senses. It may be very soft, or firm. It may excite and even turn you on and it may include a happy ending. But its goal is to stimulate and soothe.
 
Therapeutic Massage is focused on the muscle and tissues underneath the skin. It includes many portions of the sensual massage, but it is focused on moving the muscles, breaking down adhesions, stretch, increase the range of movement and enhancing the body fluid movement. It may turn you on and it may or may not include a happy ending. But its goal is to relax.
 
Erotic Massage is focused on erogenous zones and turning you on. It is meant to stimulate your awareness, instead of your skin. Your skin may be stimulated, but the focus is on increasing your awareness and sexual presence. It may include stroking your cock or edging you. It may include your nipples, nape of your neck, hands, feet, ass, taint, cock, or anything else that may turn you on and heighten your senses. It is usual to expect a happy ending, or use it as a prelude to something more sexual. A happy ending is not unusual. But the goal is to turn you on.
 
It more blunt terms... sensual is rubbing; therapeutic is massaging; and erotic is foreplay.
 
Just my tuppence.

Jeremiah is awesome! Have had great experiences in DC and Austin. PM me for details.