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Thanks for explaining that.

Well, I know the #s are flagged but I didn't ever see that they flagged it in actual conversations.  I've seen it in guys' profiles and I think I express my interest in it in mine but it's not something they allow to be searchable, which is annoying.

Amazing. I have to say, I was never really a multiple cummer the way my bf is...but I discovered some years ago that with the right feeling and level of friction, I could cum twice in a row while fucking. It happened now and again and usually to the pleasant surprise of the bottom. But now, lately, I've been discovering it happening more frequently even when I'm masturbating...to the point that just last night I actually managed to have 5 orgasms in a row.  That's the most I've ever managed and even I was ridiculously shocked by it.  All I know is...I'm going to keep practicing! haha

For sure it kills the vibe unless the vibe is specifically to have sex with the person, which, in that case, means hire an escort. I agree that the assumption is problematic but I still think the prohibitive pricing is the real issue here.  No one is saving lives in a massage and that people are able to charge ridiculous prices and that people are actually paying them is completely outlandish to me. Even if I had that kind of income, there's no way I'm paying someone $300-500 for an hour massage.  I agree as well, communication is key especially if you are specifically out for a different experience.  Which is why I would prefer that prices would drop back to something normal and then IF someone asks about it, the masseur can decide how high up he wants his pricing to go, or advertise those prices up-front, however discretely he chooses (ie. Erotic massage) 

They would do what they've been doing...hiring someone to fuck them.  But that wasn't the point of my comment...it was about the pricing in general.  Because there is a big difference between: Masseur charges $80/hour for a normal massage and you leave the rest up to fate and the moment, and someone charging $200-300 for an hour and everyone is assuming that these are escort prices but that's what they're charging everyone and you might or might not get an escort experience.  The issue is the pricing, not whose buying.

I'm not sure a "price list" is really all that useful, but a listed base price for any style of massage would be helpful if mandatory by hosting sites. I guess MF requires it but RM and Rent.Men do not seem to make it obligatory.

Personally, I'm not interested in paying for sex. If something sexual happens I assume it's because there is a mutual desire to in the moment. That has always been my experience. Only once did a masseur tag on a HE fee which was ridiculous since I had explicitly stated before the appointment that I wasn't into those...so when things came up at the end I naturally assumed it was our chemistry that did it, and was shocked when he asked to be compensated for it. Not acceptable, IMHO.

However, my real issue is that prices have gone absurdly high in most places. There are still some areas where one can get a real, fantastic, legit therapeutic massage for 50-60Eur...and then, if there is a mutual attraction and desire, have at! My longtime go-to guy in Paris eventually was charging me just 70Eur for massages that would run between 90-120 minutes. No, we never ever got sexual, it was never discussed, it never happened by chance, and I never expected it to.  I had also understood that he had stopped offering any sort of "extra" in his massages shortly after I started collaborating with him. Yes, I was extremely lucky to have a more than competent and so generous masseur. I'm sad he's moved to a remote part of France.

I began using massage as a way to deal with increased muscular tension from travel and exercise instead of always going to chiropractors/osteopaths/kinesiologists, et al. for $/EUR150-200 a session.  As much as I love all that body work, it's almost never covered by any insurance and is a steep out of pocket expense.  I was working for an extended period in Berlin (2019), and I was having 2 massages per week with all different masseurs who were all charging between 50-75 Eur a session. They were all great, different therapeutic styles, and all except one ended up resulting in fun, and I was never asked to pay anything more. And that seemed to be the standard pricing, at least around Europe, until maybe 2022 and then I noticed, as more and more escorts/porn/OF types were flooding the massage pages, everyone started to increase to double and even triple the prices!  I got into massage specifically because it was CHEAPER than going to all those medical professionals.  Now, the masseurs are more expensive!

In NYC I had a longtime masseur, incredibly sexy, one of the best ever...in 60 minutes he accomplished what most can just barely do for me in 90...he was charging $120 for years.  Then he upped to $150 and now he's well over $200. He let me continue to pay our original agreement for a while but then when he said that "next time when you come back" I was going to have to basically pay double for the same service, I was out and never saw him again.

That's my issue. The price gouging that has happened over the last 4-5 years internationally.  I find it absurd and prohibitive.  I don't care how amazing the physique or how XXL he is, I'm not paying $300 for a massage and if I see various Extras offered with tiered pricing I am 99.999999% certain I won't be hiring.  Again, no judgement, but me personally, I'm not interested in paying for something I get quite easily for free, whether it's with a masseur or not.


 

Amazing. I have to say, I was never really a multiple cummer the way my bf is...but I discovered some years ago that with the right feeling and level of friction, I could cum twice in a row while fucking. It happened now and again and usually to the pleasant surprise of the bottom. But now, lately, I've been discovering it happening more frequently even when I'm masturbating...to the point that just last night I actually managed to have 5 orgasms in a row.  That's the most I've ever managed and even I was ridiculously shocked by it.  All I know is...I'm going to keep practicing! haha

My boyfriend always bursts out into laughter when he orgasms...which is, well, cute although not necessarily sexy...and he's a fortunate type that can get aroused again quickly and cum just as much the second time as the first...so he laughs a lot.

Sniffies is definitely a weird one. The only scams I've come across aside from the occasional spammy message which I report and block are seeing same guy popping up in multiple places and demanding his OF to be followed. The sad thing is that where I am currently the scam guy is exactly my type and what is always missing in this area (truly hot, hung uncut, but I digress).  I've reported them as well...not sure how they can appear in multiple geographic locations, so it must be multiple accounts with the same crop of photos and general profile info.

I haven't had too much success with it because guys come and go too quickly, and since it's web-based most people (myself included) are doing other things on their phones at the same time, like Grindr and Scruff (in my case).  It's not the best interface for keeping contact with someone...yeah, I've pinned profiles and messages...but if the other guy chooses to delete the thread for any reason you've also lost all the info.  I mean, I check it out, because why not?  There are definitely a lot of hot guys there but as with any of the apps, you need to be cautious and if it seems way too good to be true it probably is.

The gen/g3n thing is new to me. What exactly is that supposed to mean and why is it flagged?

As a sidenote...I hate that Grindr and Scruff don't allow #massage #massaging because sometimes people ARE into MT without it being transactional.

Eduardo was amazing...but a bit crazy. My first session with him was extraordinary...others evidently felt he wasn't trained enough but I remember that he gave me a very legit deep tissue massage, and there was obviously chemistry between us, it turned into a quite a lot of fun, then getting sandwiches and eating them on his rooftop. We stayed in touch and had two other meetings, one without massage, just to enjoy each other directly. Turned into a bit of drama sometime after that when I had reached out again and he's subsequently disappeared, changed numbers, etc. No idea what happened to him and why he so unceremoniously "dumped me", as it were.  But I can tell you, he was a dream, and for me an ideal fwb.

That's my thought and experience exactly. So many have resulted in rather surprising ways without any real prior expectation. A few where I might have been hopeful ended up being really great massages but nothing more. At least in that case, I've still gotten something for my money.

I also don't find paying for sex all that interesting.  I can and do get plenty of great sex with willing partners for free, so why pay for it?  At most I have considered that if the stars align in the right way I might consider it with a favorite pornstar just to finally fulfill that fantasy...but it hasn't happened yet.

I hire a guy to clean my windows three times per year, and he usually lets me blow him before he leaves.  However, whenever I hire an escort for sex, not one escort has offered to clean my windows before he leaves 😢 
So when I want a massage, I hire a masseur, and we usually have sex also because that's the nature of human relationships.  The same with my plumber or HVAC technician:  they come over to do the work I need, and the sex is just a bonus.

Genuine question here.
I just don't get all the posts about hiring a masseur and commenting if he tops, bottoms, suck, etc. Blows my mind that instead of going an escort, you'd rather go for a masseuse hoping it leads to sex.
It's like I wanna have my windows cleaned, but instead of hiring a window cleaner, I hire a guy to mow the grass, hoping he looks up and see me pointing at my window.
 

Wow...I wonder what that is about. Does he not like the idea of people looking at his profile and not hiring him?  I did try to report it to the site to see if they would reverse it, but I never got a reply.

Eduardo was amazing...but a bit crazy. My first session with him was extraordinary...others evidently felt he wasn't trained enough but I remember that he gave me a very legit deep tissue massage, and there was obviously chemistry between us, it turned into a quite a lot of fun, then getting sandwiches and eating them on his rooftop. We stayed in touch and had two other meetings, one without massage, just to enjoy each other directly. Turned into a bit of drama sometime after that when I had reached out again and he's subsequently disappeared, changed numbers, etc. No idea what happened to him and why he so unceremoniously "dumped me", as it were.  But I can tell you, he was a dream, and for me an ideal fwb.

I’ve posted a reply about Cristianok before, but as I just saw him last Saturday, I thought I’d throw in again that he still is one of the very best private masseurs I’ve ever had.  Besides being shockingly good-looking, he’s a kind soul and intensely focused on providing a pleasurable experience. I didn’t get a tiered pricing message when I first starting seeing him when he visited NYC about 5 years ago, so we’ve got a long understood payment arrangement. One other thing: I don’t really get or like the use of “YMMV” (like above) on this site. I don’t see its value in these communications. Since it’s only ever used, from what I’ve seen, to describe extras beyond what I understand to be the generally understood expectations of “erotic” massage (masseur naked (at some point), MT, and HE), I feel like it’s a given that one can’t predict if the masseur will offer more. That’s an aspect of humanity and individuality that’s beyond legitimate expectations for this job. I really only want to hear what guys on this site did or didn’t experience with a masseur. It’s genuinely unhelpful to tell me that I might not get the extras that others got. I know that already!

How incredibly disappointing...so sorry you had to go through that. We've all been there at some point, and sometimes several times.  It's always a gamble the first (or only) go.

I guess I'll stay away.  He's been eyeing my profile on rentmasseur but hasn't solicited me yet.

I will say, this thread is super fascinating to me.  I've been intensely curious about trying this guy's massage since I do actually seek real, legit, super strong deep tissue massages. I am reticent for two connected reasons: price seems exaggerated for only 45 minutes.  I usually need 90 minutes to get all areas done properly, especially my legs because I do a lot of running, so 45 mins is basically nothing no matter what the intensity level is.  I find prices have become ridiculous in any case...massages in spas/parlors USED to be a going-rate of $1/€1 per minute and maybe a slight increase depending on style of massage, but the fact that people are charging well over 100 currency units for an hour is ridiculous.  Anyway...that aside, he's obviously super sexy and the whole straight guy probably bi-curious thing IS a turn-on.

That said, I have a (gay) Ukrainian masseur I use in Florida who is not only super sexy but is very adamant about his professionalism. I've seen him about 4 times total and each time there is such sexual tension and chemistry but he always resists.  In fact, the first time with him, when I didn't even know he was gay so I had zero expectations, he said that if I had wanted to play with myself it was fine with him, when I suggested that he play with me and I play with him he told me his professional boundaries but then opened up his boxers (he was in underwear the whole massage) to reveal a very hard cock...so he was turned on, definitely interested, but nothing has ever happened.  He said at another session that if we had met in a bar or club or app for sure we would have had sex but since I am his client he won't do it.

And let's face it. Each masseur is going to have his boundaries and what/who he's willing to bend them for.  I had a masseur who listed that he was top only on one of his profiles (I do try to cross reference between all the various sites, also in case they happen to list different prices), after the massage he was riding me like a cowboy...I asked him about it and he said that he's really more bottom but he doesn't advertise bottoming for clients because it's something he wants to do only if there is a real attraction and desire and not be paid to be fucked, that it's easier for him to top someone he's less into than for him to be fucked by them.  So it could also be the same thing with Mr. (C)KarpathianWolf...he might have fairly rigid boundaries which do bend for certain clients with certain body types or looks and who knows...maybe he's one of those guys that will let his curiosity develop only after multiple sessions. That has happened, too.

There are these two to start.  I met them a few years back in Spain...both handsome, not actually brothers but selling that fantasy.  The one who goes by Tyler is definitely the more beautiful/handsome of the two.  The Spanish one speaks almost no English.  There are some older threads about them here.  We had a nice time, they had hit me up a few times to hook up but I never accepted.

There are also two Italians Tony and Jason (they have various links and OFs) who are, so they claim, half-brothers, both super hot, make some great content, and I think are still working as escorts.
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There are these two to start.  I met them a few years back in Spain...both handsome, not actually brothers but selling that fantasy.  The one who goes by Tyler is definitely the more beautiful/handsome of the two.  The Spanish one speaks almost no English.  There are some older threads about them here.  We had a nice time, they had hit me up a few times to hook up but I never accepted.

There are also two Italians Tony and Jason (they have various links and OFs) who are, so they claim, half-brothers, both super hot, make some great content, and I think are still working as escorts.
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There are these two to start.  I met them a few years back in Spain...both handsome, not actually brothers but selling that fantasy.  The one who goes by Tyler is definitely the more beautiful/handsome of the two.  The Spanish one speaks almost no English.  There are some older threads about them here.  We had a nice time, they had hit me up a few times to hook up but I never accepted.

There are also two Italians Tony and Jason (they have various links and OFs) who are, so they claim, half-brothers, both super hot, make some great content, and I think are still working as escorts.
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There are these two to start.  I met them a few years back in Spain...both handsome, not actually brothers but selling that fantasy.  The one who goes by Tyler is definitely the more beautiful/handsome of the two.  The Spanish one speaks almost no English.  There are some older threads about them here.  We had a nice time, they had hit me up a few times to hook up but I never accepted.

There are also two Italians Tony and Jason (they have various links and OFs) who are, so they claim, half-brothers, both super hot, make some great content, and I think are still working as escorts.
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