Reputation from river - The Company of Men

river got a reaction from GeoMitch in 411 on StudFR in NYC July 20

I had such a weird discussion with him recently. I requested a same day appointment which was about 3 hours in advance. He said yes but that I had to send him $50 by Venmo or equivalent. I said, for my own personal discretion, I prefer not to pay electronically but would happily pay in full the moment I walked-in. I figured not a big risk since so many positive reviews here.
He was so arrogant and obnoxious in his response which was shocking. He started lecturing me that everyone is concerned about discretion, etc.
I just did not even respond since that just obviously killed the vibe.

river reacted to Juicy in Deo in NYC July 17

Can confirm. Deo is awesome! Kind. Talented. Caring. Gorgeous. Beautiful location.
He is therapy for the body and soul. I treasure time spent with Deo.
He is worth all the accolades for people who truly love massage.

river got a reaction from pubic_assistance in 411 on Adamzz in NYC May 30

Mapping to midtown but I reached out to him today and, unfortunately, located in Harlem.

river got a reaction from Marc in Calif in Cody from L.A. visiting the East Coast (Philadelphia) March 28

Agreed. Avoid. Was texting often during the massage. When I realized he was texting, I asked him to stop. Within minutes he was texting again.

river got a reaction from pubic_assistance in Tipping? March 4

I always tip. They’re not making a lot of money and since they are sometimes the highlight of my week, I’m returning the happiness. Btw, I always tip at spas when traveling.
I usually tip 20% to 30%. Occasionally more if unexpected mind-blowing aspect occurs.
The only time I don’t tip is because of dissatisfaction such as texting during the massage, sloppy/dirty apartment, short session, etc. Rare occasions though.

river reacted to + Jamie21 in Tipping? March 4

Lots of common misunderstandings here. 3 clients a day 6 days a week is quite some going…. not really sustainable.
Also, for each client actually booked there’s around 4 who take up time with enquiries that don’t go anywhere. That needs to be factored in.
Then there’s the cost of facilities (whether you rent space or use your home which still has a cost), advertising, regular training, travel costs etc. It’s definitely not zero overhead. Plus taxes of course plus cost of benefits that one has to buy which you’d often get via an employer.
There’s no way I get 100% profit off what I charge. And I’d invite anyone who thinks they can get rich quick to try the job for a few months and see how they get on. I assume they’ll be happy to make themselves available at all sorts of times, often at short notice, be ok with possibly not earning anything next week, dealing with time wasters and clients who treat them like dirt, sort out their own insurance, pension etc. 😉

river got a reaction from + glutes in 411 on Asian hottie IsaacCui? March 1

I’d be curious to hear too. He’s headed to NYC soon. Unfortunately, one big red flag for me is lots of reviews in a very short period of time.

river reacted to BuffaloKyle in We can use your help February 27

There is one thing that I don't like about the search feature for sure. It defaults to search just "this topic" when you are in a thread or if you're in "the deli" for instance but not in a thread and hit search it'll just search that specific forum. I wish it always defaulted to search "Everywhere". It's easy to think there isn't a thread about something if you forget to change it to "Everywhere".

river reacted to Cooper in We can use your help February 27

Gentlemen,
The moderators could use your help. Many of the reports we receive deal with merging threads, usually about providers, and moving threads to the correct forum.
Before posting a message or starting a new thread, please check to see if the topic is in the correct forum or thread. If it’s regarding a provider check that the topic is not already being discussed in a previous thread. Everyday we are merging threads and moving them from the Deli to the Spa or to Questions. Remember, each forum has a brief description of what topics it covers.
If you are reporting a thread that needs to be merged, always include a link to the other thread. Also, always include a reason for submitting your report.
Thanks to all members who follow these guidelines and contact us when action is required.

river reacted to Simon Suraci in Tipping? February 22

Here’s how I look at it, I keep metrics on all my clients. Periodically I update and sort everyone to see who is paying me the highest dollar amount over a given year with tips included and put them into a few color coded tiers. I qualify escort vs massage services to quickly give me some context while I review. I also make a note on how much I enjoy seeing each one of them and likewise how much of a pain in the ass they are, if applicable. These are less tangible factors, but it helps to keep in mind as I review.
The less enjoyable but loyal/generous ones are just as valuable to me if not more than those I enjoy seeing more but visit me less often and/or don’t tip. I use the hard numbers to help me look past my biases and objectively steer my attention to the best clients for my business. ALL my clients are important, mind you. So it doesn’t matter if you see me once a year or bi-weekly, if you’re tipping, or hiring more/less valuable services. I see it all clearly shake out in the numbers on a spreadsheet. The lower figures matter too, because all of those people collectively add up to a significant chunk of the pie.
I track how many appointments each client makes, what they are paying, and figure out pretty quickly where my bread is buttered. At the end of the day (end of the year?) it’s all business. Who is paying my bills over the long haul, and who is demonstrating the most loyalty over time gets my highest level of attention and effort. I go above and beyond for these people.

river got a reaction from Simon Suraci in Tipping? February 22

Although the independent masseur does not have to share his fee with the house, he does have overhead. One of my regulars spent a lot of money on a heated table. On top of that they have to pay for the towels, the laundry, the lotion, the sheets for the table, the soap for the shower.
Also, as someone who was a tipped employee when I had a part-time job during college, there’s nothing better than getting tipped. It makes you feel so good and I enjoy making them feel good by giving them tips.

river got a reaction from ketut in Tipping? February 21

Although the independent masseur does not have to share his fee with the house, he does have overhead. One of my regulars spent a lot of money on a heated table. On top of that they have to pay for the towels, the laundry, the lotion, the sheets for the table, the soap for the shower.
Also, as someone who was a tipped employee when I had a part-time job during college, there’s nothing better than getting tipped. It makes you feel so good and I enjoy making them feel good by giving them tips.

river got a reaction from Spiritualadvisor in Tipping? February 21

Although the independent masseur does not have to share his fee with the house, he does have overhead. One of my regulars spent a lot of money on a heated table. On top of that they have to pay for the towels, the laundry, the lotion, the sheets for the table, the soap for the shower.
Also, as someone who was a tipped employee when I had a part-time job during college, there’s nothing better than getting tipped. It makes you feel so good and I enjoy making them feel good by giving them tips.

river got a reaction from AtticusBK in Tipping? February 21

Although the independent masseur does not have to share his fee with the house, he does have overhead. One of my regulars spent a lot of money on a heated table. On top of that they have to pay for the towels, the laundry, the lotion, the sheets for the table, the soap for the shower.
Also, as someone who was a tipped employee when I had a part-time job during college, there’s nothing better than getting tipped. It makes you feel so good and I enjoy making them feel good by giving them tips.

river reacted to ketut in Tipping? February 21

I always tip if I have received exceptional service, regardless of whether is a provider associated with a spa or self employed. For massage I never expect more than a massage and tip according to how I feel the massage was. If the massage veers into escort territory I tip accordingly. And if a provider provides exceptional service, again I tip accordingly. I assume independent providers don't see clients for 8 hours a day. I have a friend who works in a spa as a masseur and none of the therapists massage for 8 hours a day. Physically its hard on them. I also assume that providers keep notes on clients, like I do on providers, and I personally don't mind being classified as "good tipper". I've tipped 100% to one of my regulars who hasn't gotten back to folks on this forum, but I've never had that problem with him.

as @AtticusBK said I don't understand relating masseurs/escorts to lawyers/doctors. It's not the same. In my field I pay partner attorneys over $1600 / hr who give exceptional advice, but at that hourly rate it should be. And I don't tip them. I don't know of any providers who charge that hourly rate.

river got a reaction from AtticusBK in Tipping? February 21

I always tip. They’re not making a lot of money and since they are sometimes the highlight of my week, I’m returning the happiness. Btw, I always tip at spas when traveling.
I usually tip 20% to 30%. Occasionally more if unexpected mind-blowing aspect occurs.
The only time I don’t tip is because of dissatisfaction such as texting during the massage, sloppy/dirty apartment, short session, etc. Rare occasions though.

river got a reaction from Capitano in Tipping? February 20

I always tip. They’re not making a lot of money and since they are sometimes the highlight of my week, I’m returning the happiness. Btw, I always tip at spas when traveling.
I usually tip 20% to 30%. Occasionally more if unexpected mind-blowing aspect occurs.
The only time I don’t tip is because of dissatisfaction such as texting during the massage, sloppy/dirty apartment, short session, etc. Rare occasions though.

river got a reaction from Tallguybos in Non sensual massage turns up! January 21