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ask your guy to dress inconspicuously/plainly......stay in a huge and impersonal convention-ish hotel.......check out the elevator security/keycard situation before he arrives and plan accordingly......move about confidently and don't draw attention to yourself.......as suggested above, I think hotel employees are being trained to be aware of sex-trafficking these days, so keep your room tidied up and all that!!......however, the sex-trafficking we see all over the news is more about underage/against-their-will stuff rather than two consenting adults meeting for an agreed-to plan

Hey thanks for the thoughtful responses y'all!! Just thought it'd be nice to get all that off my chest. Since I don't have much to worry about, I can now fully enjoy the session. Thanks again guys!

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If it helps you any, I have had 2 clients who are employees of such chains. And they gladly give me their friends n family discount.
 
In that regard, there really should be no obvious signs. Even if they did, what are they going to do? Have pictures printed of every escort posted on RentMen and holler out, “HEY, Stop right there! You are a sex worker, You need to leave!” Is that the kind of attention Marriott wants? I doubt it.
 
I just had a hotel clerk the other week leave me a cute little crush note and his phone number...asking me to dinner. I was like that’s so sweet, but I reached out to him on my personal phone and not my working line (so he can’t go snooping around later). And after that, I booked another night at the hotel when he was not working that day...and took in a client. What if he found out I was an escort later, and? What is he going to do? Nothing.
 
Unless the hotel specifically says no guests are allowed, you’re well within your right to being whoever you want to bring to his/your hotel room. For all they know, you’re reimbursing me for my hotel cost and for traveling all this way to see you. That’s what people are supposed to do lol.
 
I understand being paranoid, but sometimes you just have to think rationally about circumstances. Sex trafficking is different than a single man or 2 being seen together in a hotel.

If it helps you any, I have had 2 clients who are employees of such chains. And they gladly give me their friends n family discount.
 
In that regard, there really should be no obvious signs. Even if they did, what are they going to do? Have pictures printed of every escort posted on RentMen and holler out, “HEY, Stop right there! You are a sex worker, You need to leave!” Is that the kind of attention Marriott wants? I doubt it.
 
I just had a hotel clerk the other week leave me a cute little crush note and his phone number...asking me to dinner. I was like that’s so sweet, but I reached out to him on my personal phone and not my working line (so he can’t go snooping around later). And after that, I booked another night at the hotel when he was not working that day...and took in a client. What if he found out I was an escort later, and? What is he going to do? Nothing.
 
Unless the hotel specifically says no guests are allowed, you’re well within your right to being whoever you want to bring to his/your hotel room. For all they know, you’re reimbursing me for my hotel cost and for traveling all this way to see you. That’s what people are supposed to do lol.
 
I understand being paranoid, but sometimes you just have to think rationally about circumstances. Sex trafficking is different than a single man or 2 being seen together in a hotel.

Again, a lot of this depends on the hotel and how much caution one is exercising.
 
Pick hotels where you're just a cog in the machine. (However, that doesn't mean it needs to be a flophouse)
 
If you're doing a lot of turn & burn, don't stay at a property that's trained to recognize you and/or call you by your last name.

It really depends on their tone and the way it comes across. If it is just one tidbit in your whole conversation that lasts a few seconds-let it go. or if it bothers you enough, have a conversation with them that it is getting old and would rather not talk about that topic.
 
If they are grilling non stop and trying to shame you etc-yeah then take it seriously. Perhaps cut them off-those are not healthy people.

This is a side job to my career job. None of my friends or acquaintances are aware I do massage on the side. When you share any information about anything, it leaves it vulnerable to other people's opinions which is why I keep most things to myself.

What about you two? Is this it, or are you pining to mix it up with your 9 to 5 life?
 
Try a few variations of that without coming off like an A-hole. That's just a thought I had, some unsolicited advice.

Should there be a next time, you might offer: Interesting you should say that. While you've been concerned about the freedoms of my lifestyle, I've been pitying the repetitive, mundane shackles of your lifestyle.
 
Yes, when I feel people are pushing too far, the bitch takes over: "What a dump!"

It sounds like you can just say something like “I appreciate your input, but I’m not looking to change careers at this time”
 
I also don’t think that there is this binary that you’re speaking of where you’ll automatically have to be “an employee” because you’re no longer escorting. Lots of people are their own bosses and don’t have a traditional cog-in-the-wheel type of job
 
I find that the people in my life who know what I do are generally pretty supportive because they’ve seen how unhappy I was in the grind of my original career choice and how much better I am now. If there are friends or clients or otherwise who you tend to vent to a lot about the negatives, it might be natural for them to suggest another path.
 
I get suggestions about leaving the biz from time to time, but it doesn’t really bother me because I know what my life and my peace of mind was like before, and I don’t think it really needs much explaining.

I had a 3 way last night with 2 non-penniless straight-ish guys last night lol. At the end, one of the guys said, I have a boyfriend and a girlfriend, so let’s keep this between us....
 
Then he said something about wanting to have a 3 way live in relationship. I was like bro...you should think about moving to Utah lol
 

 
Not taking sides, but I can attest I am one of the ones he dropped more than 200 for, and there was no haggling on his behalf.
 
However, being familiar with Latin Culture, “bargaining” is not as looked down upon than it is here in the states. Different cultural norms shouldn’t be classed as “haggling”.
 

M4M Forum Reporter:
Client Smith posted his account of an exchange between himself and Escort Wiseass, detailing how the escort agreed to work for a lower rate if Mr Smith would meet him very soon. According to Smith, Mr. Wiseass deliberately led him to believe that the two gents would meet at Smith's apartment at 7pm. However, wiseass pulled a fast one, backing out of the agreement because he claimed that another client was going to pay his stated rate and more. After a few helpful posts responding to Mr. Smith's dilemma, things quickly devolved into a free for all pie fight following the member's post quoted above. Was the OP genuine in claiming he had no desire to haggle with Escort Wiseass? Was it right to question OP's premise? Several members threw full pies; some threw slices here and there; some just threw a bit of shade. Forum administrators report no serious injuries. In the end, the question of who was in the right was never resolved. The only thing we know is that a childish, smart ass escort was so offended that he tricked a client into preparing for a commitment he did not intend to honor, triggering what could have been a blood bath.
 
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In 2007 (when my stepfather died), the trip 15 miles west of downtown Chicago, at 3:00 in the afternoon, was an hour and fifteen minutes. By train, 32 minutes. (I grew up a 22 minute ride from downtown).
 
THATS WHY if you’re “out west” you’re not going to have any business.

I agree, and over the past couple of weeks...I’ve really had to go out of my way to make up some appointments I had to cancel with clients, and it ended up working out.
 
However, if we set aside the fact the escort wasn’t real, and assume this was someone else...I’m just still wondering why the OP didn’t just initially offer what his budget is when the escort told him his rate? Why did he wait for the escort to counter offer, and then add “but not trying to haggle”.
 
See...when people do that, I feel like that opens the door to ping pong ? Now you’re trying to see who’s going to give in first, is he going to give in to my price, or am I going to offer a little bit more.
 
I think if someone is really interested in seeing someone, the conversation shouldn’t dead at price. That conversation was literally over in 2 exchanges...and tenderloin deaded the conversation before it even started, “that’s too much, but thanks anyway”. That’s a slap in the face. And I’ve had it before. And don’t be fooled into thinking $400 is too much. Sometimes people say $250 is too much, $150 is too much, anything more than FREE is too much for some. So forget about the amount.
 
That’s the problem I have with this situation. I don’t feel the escort should be looked down on, considering the initial approach was a bit condescending to begin with.

Hey Ya’ll!
 
Once I return to the US, I am planning to tour extensively in some smaller/medium-sized markets. I’ve been thinking a lot about the idea of traveling with another provider, to cut down on various costs / share driving / have a person for duos available / film content / cam/ workout partner / and because frankly it can get a bit isolating / boring being in some smaller places waiting between appts.
 
I am trying to avoid flying as much as possible and will be doing bus / train / car to get from place to place. I’m a tree hugger, what can I say? ??‍♂️
 
I will start mid/end of October and hope to be doing this for a good while and can be pretty flexible without a 9-5
 
LFG!! ?

Ideally, I would work with someone who was not also a skinny white top male. Your concern was on my mind, for sure.
 
I do consider I might lose out on a client or two, but I think the net would be positive for me spiritually and taking into consideration the cost savings I mentioned.
 
If I were finding that your concern was spot on, I could always end the experiment and fly solo.
 

According to what I’ve been told in NC rates are lower and I guess it’s not worth it traveling there and paying hotel to make a profit.
 
I know I guy who ran ad in the Raleigh area for one year collected 50 numbers and when he made plans to go there had to cancel it because only 2 were interested.
 
What if you contact someone you’re interested in an offer to fly him for an overnight to Charlotte.

I didn’t look at the guy’s ad because it’s irrelevant to this conversation.
 
However, I say not a good approach on both parts...you and him, unfortunately. If this message is verbatim, There was no introduction from you when you asked for rates, and there was no finding of info from you on his part.
 
Sometimes I want to say to clients who gawk at prices, “don’t ask a question if you’re not prepared to hear the answer”. that’s not to be rude, but that’s basically just saying...before you jump right to asking for rates, try to feel out the situation. Include info about yourself, maybe offer what you CAN afford and see if you and he can meet close to it. Like when people (usually timewasters) ask, “how much?”. How much for what??? That deads the conversation and any chance of a meeting happening.
 
I feel like people who ask a price and then decline when I say it, it comes off like they’re on a “hunt” and not really using much discernment.

We can't list our rates anymore and sometimes you see an older review or rate of an escort so the best possible first inquiry includes asking about rates. You handled this well and I believe the escort was very rude for canceling on you at all - especially rude for telling you its because someone offered him more money. This isn't a "best offer" business for me. If someone booked me for a 1 hour appointment then someone wants to book an overnight during that same time period, I will go with the hour appointment unless I feel comfortable asking the 1 hour client if they could reschedule.

Well...to an extent. But some of the articles posted seem to explain and answer those facts.
 
I feel Rentmen has become an onlyfans of its own. That’s why I said 1,000 times already, private pics and videos need to be paid for. They don’t wanna listen to me though. So people keep looking at free content and wasting our time. Fortunately, it’s made me smarter in charging for my private pics, and collecting $10 “conversation fees”.
 
I’m very close to just not talking to anyone unless they pay me $10 upfront. That’s not being greedy...that’s just not having the manpower to answer every single text that comes in to me, from people who don’t end up booking or who “drop out” of the conversation right when it gets down to the money part.
 
This wasn’t as much of a problem when we used to be able to post rates. Like someone said to me last night in Milwaukee, “there’s guys out here sucking dick for blunts”. So it would make sense some of the rentmen clients contacting us may not be expecting livable rates.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/style/onlyfans-porn-stars.amp.html
 
I was doing some browsing and came across this article. What are people’s opinion of this? I don’t have anything to say 1 way or another about onlyfans, but I feel like this article is trying to insinuate that regular in person escorting is a thing of the past, and I just don’t feel onlyfans is really as staple as its being portrayed.
 
I still meet a lot of clients who don’t do anything with their credit cards on websites. I’m still kind of new to this whole onlyfans discovery. I’ve considered getting up on it, but it just seems like a lot of upkeep to be consistent with (as I know has already been discussed by @TylerandAce previously) My hands are already full answering all the texts and emails I get (not bragging nor complaining, just saying).
 
I still feel there’s room for “traditional” escort work. One of my friends made a statement saying that guys aren’t even escorting anymore, they’re just on onlyfans. Which I understood what he was trying to say, but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say sex work has ditched real life fucking, and subscribing to virtual voyeurism instead.

Cynical is to think that everyone gets off on playing games. Unfortunately, the reality that a small bunch do is something you can't ignore. A bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.
 

Bad, rude behavior from an asshole rarely surprises me these days. Our culture is going through a serious debasing. I hope we can find our way out someday soon, and do it without enduring a war.
 
I may not be a wealthy customer, but it would never occur to me to be rude and obnoxious with an escort who treated me with respect.
 
Assholes exist everywhere. They're at airports. They're at shopping malls. They're at Neiman Marcus. They're at Walmart. When you service the public for a living, you are bound to encounter an asshole.
 
The biggest mistake one can make in the service business is to assume that everyone is an asshole. The dividends can be high if you assume the opposite. The best you can do when encountering an asshole is to find a way to politely let him go without burning any bridges. Never give an asshole a reason to stalk you. Once you get rid of him, be grateful. Try to focus on your best customers.

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?
"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. What is the probability that all that lined up within 5 minutes?? It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money...perhaps the escort was doing the same and running in your face that you were not getting to meet them.
 
Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

Who else thinks the OP really did want to haggle? I don’t believe the “I don’t want to haggle” line as you immediately negotiated and then are upset when he dumped you at your low ball price. Just sayin’
 
If you want first class service don’t fly Spirit.