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I especially like doing this after muscle worship. There's something about using my hands to worship his body followed by using my hands to get him off.

Anyone else enjoy this as a "main event"? Whether edging/milking a provider or mutual JO. Oftentimes that's all I really want but I don't see it discussed much here.

Depending on the answer (which I don't know), I would suggest this might be best answered over Private Message since this guy has a legit licensed business with its physical presence in a high-rent, persnickety city. Like the site says in this sub-forum:

Well, at least it's not just me 🫤. I never tried to schedule with him again after the no-response. Sorry you had to the same issue.

I've never really had concerns with hotel outcalls. It just seemed to me that hotel incalls (clients going to the provider's hotel) have the potential to invite more scrutiny from hotel staff/security.

This is something I've been curious about for a while. How do providers (particularly masseurs, who are seeing more clients than escorts) stay under the radar when taking clients at a hotel? Especially higher end ones with secure elevators and 24/7 security staff in the lobby? Say a provider is staying at a hotel for a week or two. Surely the staff will notice him meeting men in the lobby multiple times daily and they would figure out the score quickly. He would also be going through a lot of towels... Do hotels really not care? A masseur recently came through my area and I thought his choice of hotel was odd because he was staying in a swanky suite in an already expensive hotel. That would take a lot of massages to break even. And I thought that kind of volume would probably attract attention.

I've stuck with .eu because it seems to provide more profile information on a single page without having to keep clicking for more info.

I've wondered how much of this difference is biological and how much is cultural. Surely both are factors. I've heard that wealthy women in Japan have been known to hire male escorts, and that perhaps the service is focused more on providing intimacy than the act itself. But I don't know much about it. It's an interesting topic.

I knew a guy who charged well above market rate. He said he gets about 4 clients a month doing that and that's all he wanted. For some it's not necessarily about maximizing revenue. All the power to them. Decline and move on.

I put discount in quotes here because it's not really asking for discounts but having lower per hour rates for longer sessions as a matter of course.

Recently had a provider text me as part of a group chat where I could see the phone numbers of his former clients (and they could see mine, obviously). Another reminder why using my real number is off the table. He clearly had no sense of discretion even before that.

Thanks all, that's helpful.

Ha. Sounds like a clear cut case of 'block and move on' 🫣

I recently hired for a 4 hour session. Guy asked me how much I could offer and without thinking I just offered 4x his hourly rate. Afterward, I realized.... wait, that's more than people pay for an overnight... Thus this thread. Dude got what we agreed and I had a good time. But I'd like to be better informed for next time. Obviously, negotiation is not my strong suit. Lesson learned. And I realize now too that him asking me first was a red flag.

Say a provider's hourly rate is $400. Given that, what do you think a client can expect on average to pay for 2, 3, and 4 hour sessions? I know there's a lot of variability but I don't really have a good sense of what's typical in this case, so thanks for any input.