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I'm assuming this is a real thing. I have had terrific massages from Asian providers, but somehow I managed to avoid evidence of it. The last thing I want to be involved in or support is any kind of work manipulation. The Asian guys whom I've had were all independent, or worked in a gym/spa. I assume if the provider has a NY license, he's not part of some notorious group. Am I wrong? How do we know what to look for?

Thank you for the info. MrFrando is also hot, with a great ass. But he has an escort ad on rentmen. Not sure I want to employ an escort for massage. I've never done that before. Do these young guys really know what they are doing? Or is the work all about HE?

I care more about the touch being too light on a boyish type. I don't need a buff body on the provider.

Julian's profile just popped up on my "feature" screen. I had not seen it before. He's only 26, but claims 6 years experience. He offers a lot of photos. He says he's a small guy. At 5'5" that's true, but I wonder if he's talking about something else. He also says he can partner for 4-hands service. Has no one tried him? He looks too good to be true.

Andrew seems to have some serious arms, which can indicate a strong and firm pressure. I'm glad you brought this thread up. It is fun and helpful. Wish we had a NYC list. Chemistry is everything, but at my age, a great massage trumps all the play. I still love and appreciate a great tease. Let's be naked. Massage me all over. Know how to work feet and ass. Smother me with your clean stink. Take my body to a new, invigorating place. I don't touch unless invited, and even then, I try not to distract the therapist from his work. I like the fantasy of surrender, and let a talented man do his thing. I enjoy when the therapist is equally fulfilled after our session is over. Many therapists are good at control, and they appreciate a customer who surrenders to it.

I thought so, but I think it's quite old, before they slapped their logo on everything. The client is super hot, but what's the point of getting him hard while seated, releasing his cock from his shorts, and lying him on the table with his shorts still on? I hate it when porn is this stupid.

I believe NY State law requires one-party consent. There are other states that require two-party consent. I could be wrong, but I've been told by lawyers that it is easier for law enforcement to get permission to record cell phones. At any rate, I was trying to make a point about taking security for granted, and choosing less-smart choices. IMO, texting is less smart. Not an overreaction at all. If a provider says "text-only" in his ad, is it smart to assume a voice message will be welcomed? I don't think so. But go ahead and try. By obstacle course, I was referring to the choices available for an obnoxious provider (impatient, entitled, and unreasonable) to avoid dealing with or screening a new customer. I welcome incalls and outcalls, as long as you have a table that can fit my body. When I was younger, I welcomed massage on the bed, but I can't do that anymore. In 30+ years of hiring, I've never been canceled, and I've never canceled. If I did have to cancel (emergency only), especially at the last minute, I am the type of customer who would insist on paying for the appointment lost. That's how I define a great customer.

Yes, a determined, potential customer can jump through the various hoops to try to talk with you on a phone call. However, I wouldn't call that customer friendly. I call that an obstacle course of avoidance. Simon, I don't know any of these obnoxious customers you describe. I certainly don't behave this way. Your words, not mine. Those are serious judgment calls for a new client you don't know and have barely met. Personally, I try to find a provider who is not so quick to judge, or misjudge me. Any provider who uses the term "screen out" so casually would be a red flag for me. What were you saying about impatient, entitled, and unreasonable? Perceptions work both ways.

New customer calls can't be announced in advance. They are mostly spontaneous. If a provider requires expectation, you risk losing the opportunity to meet a new client. As a general rule, new customers don't want to work too hard to get a service, not until they know the value of that service, and even then there are limits to what inconveniences they will tolerate. Customer rudeness and greed is an issue in the HE business, but how do you see these clients in order to avoid them? Do they wear a sign on their forehead? When you deny everyone the ability to call and speak directly, it assumes everyone is one of these obnoxious customers. Not good. Time is a 2-way street. I want mine respected, too. Without a happy customer, providers don't get paid.

Well, that's the thing. It's difficult for me to wrap my brain around running a questionable business, possibly illegal, out of your home, and taking security for granted. My dad sold 8mm porno films in the 70's out of our suburban home as a side business. I guess he taught me not to trust anyone. As for cell phones, big tech dominates our culture and our decisions, and here we are. By not having a smartphone, or texting, I realize I am an outlier. I feel that often. But guess how much of my Social Security money I save a year by not locking myself into a Verizon plan? I'd rather spend that money on massage. As you said, Simon, there are many reasons why text is more convenient for the provider. When you're operating a service business, you have to figure out a way to manage your time, communicate with customers, and build and nurture a loyal following. If you choose to do this alone, the work is not easy. That's why many prefer to be in a commercial spa environment. The owner hires people to do the grunt work. For those solo providers who are serious about making money, they find a way to make it all work. Some people thrive when working alone, others not so much.

I have no problem expressing my needs to a massage therapist and talking about money. I also respect privacy and boundaries. However, these days communication is a toss up. There is no perfect solution. For security purposes, land lines are the safest, so it boggles my mind why any of these guys want text messages, since they are the least safe. Everyone got rid of their landline to save money, which then left everyone more vulnerable. Cell phone calls are no safer, either. All these digital devices are so easy to record. How can anyone expect a private conversation about private matters to remain private in the realm of digital? It's not so easy for certain groups to record a land line conversation. I don't mind talking to a provider over a phone. Good luck finding any of these gay massage guys who have a landline, or would commit to a phone conversation. Private email can work really well, especially if you want to send photos and speak freely, without fear of nerves or intimidation. A lot of the HE guys don't want anything to do with email. Some can't write in English. So I begin with RM Messaging. I don't book last minute, so I don't mind if it takes a day or two for someone to get back to me. I could see texting being good for last minute appointments, if that's your style. If a guy doesn't get back to me after two days, then I move on. Either a man is serious about making money, or he's not.

At least somebody's willing to rent these empty Midtown office spaces. I wouldn't mind if they all became men's spas. It seems the problem with these commercial places is the difficulty in keeping a loyal staff. With so many choices, workers come and go almost as fast as the customers.

I've never been stood up or canceled, but being honest, I do a lot of research and I don't hire based on looks alone. I care more about their dedication to massage. Communication matters to me, so I'm not a good fit with the iphone/text-only types. They get discarded immediately. I don't own a smartphone, and I don't know how to text on my flip-phone. I actually hate cell phones, and I only carry mine for emergencies. Too many guys on these gay massage sites are only looking for easy sex and money. A true massage professional is not likely to judge you based on your looks or your body type. It's not realistic to expect these HE guys to behave like true professionals. They are in a class by themselves.

Sorry to hear that. If you have no choice but to do the massage on a bed, there's nothing worse than skipping versions of the 69 position, or offering it with underwear on. Even if I'm not going to do any licking or sucking, I would hate to lose the fun of a guy's cock and balls rubbing all over my face, or even better, getting a nice whiff of manhood. That's how I spell sensual. Some things can change in a year. Maybe he's learned the value of face sitting?

I don't remember too many rough trade twinks on 42nd st. Matthew is cute, and he describes his style as twink. Most of his photos seem to have a fashion element. To me, he looks more soft than rough. But I don't doubt he is street smart. The underwear photo reveals a full pack. Me thinks that's what he provides.

Everyone deserves some tender lovin'. 🥰

Not sure about his massage talent, but the photos indicate he's a very sexy guy and knows how to tease. Would like to know more.

I'll pass on the boyfriend but Camilo is cute. Looking at his photos, I was thinking bottom, but what do I know? When someone claims sensual or erotic in their ads, and then say they are uncomfortable working in the nude, that would be a red flag for me. No matter anything else, I need nudity. End of story. I'm not an aggressive client, but you wouldn't know that until you worked on me. What is the best way to convey to a customer that nudity is OK as long as you aren't too aggressive with my body, or make strong attempts to turn the massage into a porn movie? How does a hot massage therapist control the horny, hungry dogs? It can't be easy.

I like his look. It is not easy doing a decent massage on a bed, especially if you're tall. I do certain stretching exercises on my bed, and I find the kneeling ones quite difficult. You use different muscles by kneeling on a bed, and it's an invitation for leg cramps. Many professionals are quite adamant in their ads, NO bed work. I'm surprised this one is OK with it. I'd love to hear how successful it is. In his underwear photo, you can see he's packin'. I have little interest in that, so maybe his bed massages are mostly play. If so, there's a lot of fun play that can happen on a bed, and $300 might make that worth the price, especially if he smells good and sexy.

I felt the same way. The guy is completely oblivious. Narcissism in the extreme. I watched the Botched episode and could not believe what he had done to himself. He was once a naturally handsome man. Listening to him talk about his looks turned my stomach. He has no clue. Completely lost in some fantasy bubble. I remember when he was partnered, and if memory is correct, many reviews said the partner was the one with massage talent. The partner was also very handsome.

Looks like total fun to me.

Asking for a client photo is bad business, but with today's social media climate, where "everything belongs out in the open," no wonder too many guys (especially younger ones) think this is OK behavior. There are some guys who want to use the photo to determine personal attraction. Let's not forget, some horny service providers are in the biz simply to satisfy their hornyness, and figure why not make money as well. They don't really care if they turn lots of guys away, as long as one or two hotties send pics. In their mind, the request weeds out the undesirable. There is a well-reviewed massage guy on this board who asks for a photo. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. He claims he asks for it because he wants to know whom to expect at his apartment's call box. His intercom has a camera. He says he feels safer buzzing someone in whom he recognizes and expects. Regarding those who fear the worst, anyone in the service industry who is determined to hurt you isn't going to last very long. All it takes is one leaked hurtful episode, and the guy will need to find another career, another source of income. Some guys are crazy, for sure (never book with a known drug addict), but if you shoot the wallet that feeds you and pays your rent, then guess what, you might as well shoot yourself dead.

The Portugal guy is Tantric_touch, while the guy in this thread was tantric_touch. His profile had expired, and it looks like he lost his former username. Now he's HotOilMassageNYC.

Me too. I just don't understand why a man would have the desire to do that. I saw this guy's ad recently, and I wondered. Then I thought, I've never had a skinny guy give me a memorable massage. I don't like too deep, but I prefer some muscle power. I'm curious to hear if anyone speaks up about their experience.

Matt Dubbe has a hot body. I imagine it would be fun to lick his ass. I wonder why it took so long for the masseur to get rid of his underwear? IMO, underwear always gets in the way of a good, sexy massage.