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I noticed the post by 510guy. ABSOLUTELY!! I've been massaged by guys that asked me not to tell everything they did in my review, as they didn't want inquiries from kooks, and/or they don't do those things for all their clients. Also, I noted Terpmaniac's comment on what his ex-boyfriend told him. I have found that recommendations from friends haven't quite panned out, and that some masseurs are far, far better than what recommendations from friends indicated they would be.

I noticed the post by 510guy. ABSOLUTELY!! I've been massaged by guys that asked me not to tell everything they did in my review, as they didn't want inquiries from kooks, and/or they don't do those things for all their clients. Also, I noted Terpmaniac's comment on what his ex-boyfriend told him. I have found that recommendations from friends haven't quite panned out, and that some masseurs are far, far better than what recommendations from friends indicated they would be.

"I saw Goody Proctor with the Devil?" This is the only site in the world where escorting and classic American theater are combined in the same thread! Love you guys!!

asd41, IMHO none of the massage sites are reliable, to use your word. We don't know if the photos are of the masseurs, or stolen from other sites; we NEVER know if the "testimonials" are stolen from other masseurs, and with the ridiculous policies of M4M, we can't even see what they look like without shirts on. (BTW, M4M in New York is down to 112 clients, as of today. About two months ago, they had 160. They are destroying their own business.)
I (almost) NEVER hire a new masseur without a recommendation from someone in this chat room. Last Tuesday, I was smitten by a photo of a handsome Asian, Aquino, on Rentmasseur, and we made an appointment for last night at 9 pm here. I confirmed on Friday, and he replied, "OK." 9 pm came and went, and no Aquino. Well, I was watching TV, so I continued to watch TV. He was a total no-show; no phone call, no email, nothing. I assume he discovered that he could make more money last night with one or two other clients, so he blew me off.
No big deal for me; it cost me no money and no time. I plan to donate the $150 to the ACLU, increasing my contribution for 2016. Certainly will make me feel better than a massage!

I think we have driven a stake into the heart of this one! (Is his ad still on the site? Waste of his money if it is.)

I think we have driven a stake into the heart of this one! (Is his ad still on the site? Waste of his money if it is.)

If these are the boys next door, I'd like to move into the neighborhood today!

If these are the boys next door, I'd like to move into the neighborhood today!

asd41, IMHO none of the massage sites are reliable, to use your word. We don't know if the photos are of the masseurs, or stolen from other sites; we NEVER know if the "testimonials" are stolen from other masseurs, and with the ridiculous policies of M4M, we can't even see what they look like without shirts on. (BTW, M4M in New York is down to 112 clients, as of today. About two months ago, they had 160. They are destroying their own business.)
I (almost) NEVER hire a new masseur without a recommendation from someone in this chat room. Last Tuesday, I was smitten by a photo of a handsome Asian, Aquino, on Rentmasseur, and we made an appointment for last night at 9 pm here. I confirmed on Friday, and he replied, "OK." 9 pm came and went, and no Aquino. Well, I was watching TV, so I continued to watch TV. He was a total no-show; no phone call, no email, nothing. I assume he discovered that he could make more money last night with one or two other clients, so he blew me off.
No big deal for me; it cost me no money and no time. I plan to donate the $150 to the ACLU, increasing my contribution for 2016. Certainly will make me feel better than a massage!

asd41, IMHO none of the massage sites are reliable, to use your word. We don't know if the photos are of the masseurs, or stolen from other sites; we NEVER know if the "testimonials" are stolen from other masseurs, and with the ridiculous policies of M4M, we can't even see what they look like without shirts on. (BTW, M4M in New York is down to 112 clients, as of today. About two months ago, they had 160. They are destroying their own business.)
I (almost) NEVER hire a new masseur without a recommendation from someone in this chat room. Last Tuesday, I was smitten by a photo of a handsome Asian, Aquino, on Rentmasseur, and we made an appointment for last night at 9 pm here. I confirmed on Friday, and he replied, "OK." 9 pm came and went, and no Aquino. Well, I was watching TV, so I continued to watch TV. He was a total no-show; no phone call, no email, nothing. I assume he discovered that he could make more money last night with one or two other clients, so he blew me off.
No big deal for me; it cost me no money and no time. I plan to donate the $150 to the ACLU, increasing my contribution for 2016. Certainly will make me feel better than a massage!

asd41, IMHO none of the massage sites are reliable, to use your word. We don't know if the photos are of the masseurs, or stolen from other sites; we NEVER know if the "testimonials" are stolen from other masseurs, and with the ridiculous policies of M4M, we can't even see what they look like without shirts on. (BTW, M4M in New York is down to 112 clients, as of today. About two months ago, they had 160. They are destroying their own business.)
I (almost) NEVER hire a new masseur without a recommendation from someone in this chat room. Last Tuesday, I was smitten by a photo of a handsome Asian, Aquino, on Rentmasseur, and we made an appointment for last night at 9 pm here. I confirmed on Friday, and he replied, "OK." 9 pm came and went, and no Aquino. Well, I was watching TV, so I continued to watch TV. He was a total no-show; no phone call, no email, nothing. I assume he discovered that he could make more money last night with one or two other clients, so he blew me off.
No big deal for me; it cost me no money and no time. I plan to donate the $150 to the ACLU, increasing my contribution for 2016. Certainly will make me feel better than a massage!

I'm usually highly skeptical of masseurs who use the words tantric and chakra, and I'd be more interested if this guy informed clients of his rates.

"I saw Goody Proctor with the Devil?" This is the only site in the world where escorting and classic American theater are combined in the same thread! Love you guys!!

We've had a lot of discussion about tipping. You're right to tip in a salon or a spa, where management takes a large cut of the fee you pay. You're also right that all the $$ goes directly to the masseur when it's one-on-one. For this reason, I usually do not tip when a masseur charges $150 for an hour. That's enough. I know that many clients tip their masseurs, which is fine with me, but I do not tip.

I've had many massages from Bryan (and a little bit more, too), and I highly recommend him to you. He's a gentle, sincere, funny guy, photos are accurate, and heknows what he's doing, whether it's massage or escorting. He has excellent reviews on Daddy's. He will be perfect for what you want, and can "give a great massage, too," as you stipulate.

Excessive filing of law suits is barratry, and can land you in the pokey in many states. (It's also a word I came up with on the New York Times Spelling Bee in the Sunday puzzle section.)

Excessive filing of law suits is barratry, and can land you in the pokey in many states. (It's also a word I came up with on the New York Times Spelling Bee in the Sunday puzzle section.)

Excessive filing of law suits is barratry, and can land you in the pokey in many states. (It's also a word I came up with on the New York Times Spelling Bee in the Sunday puzzle section.)

James, I don't think you ought to get a 4-handed massage until you have had several 2-handed. Unless you don't care about money. They're expensive, and many people (like me) think the extra expense isn't worth it -- UNLESS you get two guys who really know how to work in sync. And most duos do not know how to really work in sync.
 
I think the difference between erotic and sensual massage is what the masseur thinks it is. Of course, erotic definitely includes a happy ending, and usually lots of touching and body contact. Maybe oral. If a masseur advertises sensual massage, he usually includes a happy ending, but not always. After all, all massages are sensual, especially if both of you are naked.
 
As for the nipple request, I agree with DutchMuch. Don't be afraid to ask, and offer extra $$ as an inducement if you need to. After you evaluate his reply. Frankly, I don't think it's such an odd request, and should not require extra money. If you like the massage, you can tip. And it's certainly not a request that's limited to escorts.
 
As far as "what is etiquette," ask everything that's on your mind. Again, you're not asking anything unusual. Just be respectful, and you'll get along fine.
 
I highly recommend Max in San Francisco. (He's Asian, and doesn't show his face in the ad.) I saw him here in New York, and returned the next day. And the next.
 
BTW- DutchMuch said that Ricardo gives a "grade C massage in a cold apartment," and you're still interested?
I think DutchMuch is really saying, "stay the fuck away from this guy," but is too polite to use those words. But I wouldn't know. But I'd look elsewhere.

#9 is going to have one hell of a tan line, Mozart or no Mozart! And I love what #11 is reading!

To me, "mutual touch" means that I can touch him. Obviously, he's going to have his hands all over me -- exactly where is something else again. That's difficult to predict. Just about every masseur who advertises will provide a happy ending, unless his ad says "strictly therapeutic," or something like that. If they keep their shorts and shirt on, they will usually tell you in the ad.
But I think that Bashful is right to ask -- that's just politeness and consideration. Respect and civility go a long
way in the massage game, just as they do in other aspects of daily life. Many times, you just have to play it by ear -- no pun intended!

To me, "mutual touch" means that I can touch him. Obviously, he's going to have his hands all over me -- exactly where is something else again. That's difficult to predict. Just about every masseur who advertises will provide a happy ending, unless his ad says "strictly therapeutic," or something like that. If they keep their shorts and shirt on, they will usually tell you in the ad.
But I think that Bashful is right to ask -- that's just politeness and consideration. Respect and civility go a long
way in the massage game, just as they do in other aspects of daily life. Many times, you just have to play it by ear -- no pun intended!

OK, Terpmaniac, I can understand that. There are a number of masseurs who push the envelope for some clients and not for others. But how am I to know if I am one of the favored few? After a few massages without eroticism, see which way the wind is blowing and see if he bestows his "extras" on me? Do I really want to invest several sessions, hoping that I meet his unstated specifications, and that I will be the recipient of his erotic largesse?

OK, Terpmaniac, I can understand that. There are a number of masseurs who push the envelope for some clients and not for others. But how am I to know if I am one of the favored few? After a few massages without eroticism, see which way the wind is blowing and see if he bestows his "extras" on me? Do I really want to invest several sessions, hoping that I meet his unstated specifications, and that I will be the recipient of his erotic largesse?

I suspect that they aren't the slightest bit interested in providing a "release," but they think that everyone expects it, and they do it without enthusiasm, just to keep clients happy. If the "happy ending" doesn't make clients happy, they should probably forget about it. A bad one, like you experienced, is probably worse than none at all. They give a great massage, according to what you and others say; they probably should leave it at that.