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I'm not in San Francisco, but I'd like to know what he does for that extra $100.

Please explain to me how humiliation is part of a happy ending. Also, $6595 for a massage is a little bit above my budget. However, the single, underexposed, out of focus photo is really inviting. This guy is a marketing genius!!

https://rentmasseur.com/oliveroak Oliver was mentioned briefly in one post, and I'd like to hear if anyone else has had any experience with him. Oliver mentions "sensual and erotic touch" in his ad, but they all say that, and he focuses more on other aspects of his massage. For $200, I'm not really inclined to take one for the team. I'm looking for a sensual and erotic massage, and I wonder if Oliver really does provide one.

This is "So Long, 174tt Street," which starred a much-too-old Bobby Morse in 1974, and flopped after 14 performances on Broadway. "Enter Laughing" was the title of a 1950s autobiography by Carl Reiner, then a 1963 play with a young Alan Arkin, then a movie, then the musical. It's now in a wonderful revival (thru June 23) by the York Theater at St. Peter's church on 53rd St. & Lexington Ave. It has "The Butler's Song," which is worth the price of admission -- see George S. Irving sing it on You Tube. It's got a talented cast of young actors and wonderful old pros. This shows what a good director and a tongue in the cheek can do to transform a flop into a winner -- with a three-piece orchestra and minimal sets and costumes. But the wit and heart and talent are far, far, far above minimal. It is delightful!!!

I have heard on good authority that RJ will be back very soon. Keep an eye out for his ad. He's WELL worth your time and money!! I wish he were back in New York and Pennsylvania.

To me, "voyeur massage" means either that he lets someone watch while he massages you, or that you pay to watch him massage someone else. Both sound sort of nutty. I think the "pervert" is just to attract attention to his ad -- which doesn't exactly make me interested in his services. Especially at those prices. Too bad -- because whoever he is, and whatever he really looks like, he's on the upper west side of NYC, and so am I. Would love to hear from someone who's been with him, pervert or not!

WOW! The first thing, of course, is to find out if those pictures are really his. Then determine if he really does give a massage, and what else he does for $200.

Redwine, you prove my point. YMMV. BAH, HUMBUG!!! Your mileage DEFINITELY WILL VARY!!!!

Just to blow off a bit of steam: I'm getting tired of YMMV with these masseurs who MAY give a sensual/erotic experience if they feel in the mood that day, or if the client turns them on. I'm not young, I could certainly lose 15 pounds, I'm not well endowed, I know that I will NEVER turn anyone on, and I'm really not interested in throwing the dice. Danny and Jose and Ethan have been mentioned here, and "YMMV" has been said about each of them, including PMs. I've had it with this stuff. For $150, or whatever they charge, I'm not up for a crap shoot. Same at the spas. If I want to give signals, I'll catch for the Yankees. I'm really getting irritated with having to wonder if a masseur will give the kind of massage I want, even if I ask for some "extras" before we begin, or brush his genitals during the massage and see how he reacts. I find that most spa masseurs do what they want to do -- not that they HAVE to provide "extras," but I'm not up for a guessing game.

How can you resist that little dog???

"Renewal and empowerment of body, soul, and mind." Sounds more like a sermon than a massage!

Nice find, Terpmaniac. Junior seems to be genuine. Of course, this is a Masseurfinder ad, which means it's as non-informational as a Russian newspaper, so I wonder if his massage is strictly therapeutic? For $160, there ought to be at least some goodies! Yes, I'd like to hear if anyone has gotten a massage from Junior. He looks great!

Funny you should say that, because one of my pet peeves has been that masseurs are so focused on the technical aspects of a massage, they forget to include some sensual elements until the last ten or 15 minutes. Some will say, "Now it's play time," and proceed to provide a marvelous erotic experience, but even when I ask them to "play" a little during the massage, they say "OK,' but forget to do so. I'm with you, but I haven't found that guy yet!

Why in the world would anyone give any credence to a review on Masseurfinder?

Andy, or anyone else, will get a warning from management when someone complains. The only other way they would know about upselling is by reading this -- which management at Utopia and Shangrila do. Evidently, Manta doesn't.

I emailed him, and he replied within five minutes: "I do mostly outcalls. My rates are negotiable: 30 minutes, $100; 60 minutes, $200; 90 minutes, $300. But like I said, rates are negotiable " I suppose the negotiating is for what we call extras? For $200, I'd definitely expect some extras.

The two photos in the jock indicate that he's well-endowed. It's annoying when they say "Ask," instead of telling their rates.

I saw this yesterday and enjoyed it very much. So did the others in attendance, I'd surmise. The "bondage" is alluded to, not really shown -- though it is simulated, briefly. I can't recall the author's previous play right now (which I did not see), though it had a long run. But this play is different from the first one. It's about two couples, one gay, one hetero, and their relationships and attitudes. Maybe Burke is one of the four actors, and was outstanding! It's good theater, and well worth spending 75 minutes with these characters.

Yes, Utopia is $20 cheaper than Shangrila for a 60 minute massage, but management prefers not to send masseurs to two sites. So if you want to see Jorge, you'll have to go to Shangrila. I saw him there, and it was an excellent massage. As I said here before, he massaged muscles didn't know I had! He goes VERY deep. His English is limited, so don't expect conversation. Nice looking guy; HE, but I would not expect more. I was very surprised to read that Fabiano at Shangrila didn't provide a HE, as I thought that's standard everywhere. Management frowns on "extras," and I would not really expect them at Utopia or Shangrila. If you get a bonus, either keep it to yourself or put it in a PM, as management reads these threads.

I emailed him earlier today. Got a prompt and terse reply that his price is $200 and that he will also travel. I'd need a VERY good recommendation to spend that much. And I don't have any re commendation at all.

Nice bod!! I just emailed him. I would like a recommendation first, so I hope someone replies to your 411.

I notice that he does not include therapeutic, which tells me that he's not an LMT, and doesn't claim to solve your muscular and joint problems. For $200 (or $250 if he comes to the client), I suspect that he offers more than just a massage. One would have to ask discreetly, as I wouldn't expect him to tell a stranger in a text or email that he would do certain things. As always, the best way is to have a recommendation from someone in this chat room. As for the price --- look at it this way. Most of us would readily spend $150' if another $50 could guarantee a really good session, I'd go for it.

VERY appealing! I hope those are really his pictures (nice touch with the rose!). He doesn't do incalls, but his location is the same upper west side location as many others. As someone suggested recently, that may just be a convenient location for purposes of his ad -- as he doesn't do incalls, anyway. I'd like to have a recommendation from someone here, and I hope that this 411 will be answered.

Thanks for your input. I emailed him, and he replied in broken English, nothing like the writing in his ad. However, I really don't see anything wrong if a masseur who isn't proficient in English gets someone to write his ad -- as long as he's honest. (Like not fibbing about his age!) I might give him a try, anyway. Your caveats are appreciated, however. BTW, can I assume that "pin the donkey" has something to do with the client's genitals?

https://rentmasseur.com/RockTop His ad says he's known as Rock Top, and it has a link to his web site, where his name is Robert Schneider. Impressively done web site; looks like a reliable, professional person. His ad says his rate is "ask me." For all I know, he's out of my price range, but I'm interested in him. Anyone?