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He'd better be good, considering his high fee. His M4M ad advertises "therapeutic and sensual," and he charges $185 for 60 minutes. His Masseurfinder ad advertises "erotic massage" for $225 an hour. Way above average. No reviews on M4M, and two reviews on Masseurfinder, which mean nothing to me.

http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/kenmassage2.shtml Anyone have any experience with him? The first two reviews sound like he wrote them himself, which I don't really mind, as they describe what he does. And you can't trust just a handful reviews, anyway. But he sounds good to me.

BaronArtz is entirely correct. Kirk is his real name, and he lives in Wilton Manor, FL. He comes to NY every few months. He used to be a masseur, with an interest in S&M, and evidently he now markets himself this way. I last saw him for an excellent erotic massage in NY about a year ago, and was wondering why I stopped hearing from him, as I'd been a client for about six years. I guess he knows I'm not into S&M, and that's why. Kirk is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. He also has one of the biggest cocks I've seen, and since he's a slightly built guy, as you can see from his stats, it looks even bigger. I'd definitely recommend Kirk for legit massage (he really knows how, and uses a table), for anything erotic, and probably for S&M, too.

Good for you, but where are you? Alaska? Florida?

One of the first things that Ben said to Michael in "Queer As Folk" was that he's a Libra.

I highly recommend Jason, who used to be based in New York. Gives a very good serious massage, including a prostate massage if you ask, and also knows how to play, if you ask. A very intelligent guy with a wonderful sense of humor. I'm still a client, as he comes to New York frequently. I think his current location is near DuPont Circle. http://www.massagem4m.com/dc/washington,-d.c./14808/

Newtothis is correct about matrilineal determination of being Jewish. In the old days, when the Cossacks were raping women right and left, one could never be quite sure who one's father was, but could certainly know who the mother was. Hence, if the mother is Jewish, the child is Jewish. Here in New York, we love to babble about athletes who may be Jewish, such as Ike Davis, a fan favorite with the Mets. I don't know his parentage, nor whether or not he's observant, but if his mother is Jewish, so is he -- according to Jewish law. In the 1930s, Jews took great pride in Hank Greenberg, and in the 1960s, Sandy Koufax. Today it isn't so important Same for the Supreme Court. In 1916, Jews took great pride in Justice Louis Brandeis. Today we have three Jewish justices, and it isn't such a big deal. As for escorts -- does it matter if a Jew is circumcised? The important thing is how he uses it, right?

I'm Gemini. Does that make me bi?

A new year's discount for Rosh Hashanah I can see. Yom Kippur discount? I'd think that you'd have to atone for your sins in order to receive the discount, and based on what's been said by everyone here, I think that might take a long, long, long time!

I don't think it's a Russian or Asian or Polish or Jewish or Indian or Italian "thing." I think you happened upon a legitimate massage spa who could lose its license if the masseurs were caught fooling around. By looking on M4M or Masseurfinder and another $25, you could have gotten an erotic massage, happy ending, and perhaps even fucked. (I did, for $100 in my apartment on Tuesday.) You get what you pay for.

There's a guy in NY named Mike who's been advertising grooming on M4M for years. I don't know anything about him, but he's got staying power, at least, and some nice reviews -- though we all know what reviews on M4M are worth. He also offers massage. Again, I have no personal knowledge of him. Have you considered taking care of those areas yourself? It's not difficult.

Glutes -- you identified yourself as a goyim. Goyim is plural. The singular is goy. BTW, I'm Jewish, and I think that this entire colloquy is hilarious!

I've been enjoying your photo compilatins for many moons, but WHERE did you find all these? Wow!

Good for you! I probably should have done that with Konstantin, tho' I couldn't prove that he wasn't the guy in his photo -- but now I'm not so sure.

Artichok -- if you don't mind, I'd like to know what transpired before you got up and left. Did you have to pay anything?

http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/blissfultouch4u.shtml?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=local_update&utm_term=new_photo johnf, this is the link to the guy who does grooming, and who I think you may like.

johnf, there are people in NY who have been advertising grooming on M4M for a while. One is Mike, a good-looking Asian guy who seems to be totally on the level. He has a black-and-white photo in his ad. I've never been to him, but if I were interested in grooming, that's one guy I'd try. Evidently, he also does massage. rollingrock, the scam is usually that those are not their pictures, and that they know absolutely nothing about massage, but merely give a light rub. This may be OK for some people, just being naked with a sexy guy who you can touch. They may also end the session before the hour that you paid for. A recent correspondent here said that his guy was totally unemotional and robotic the entire time, even when the client spoke to him in Russian. To them, it's just a job that enables them to be in this country. I don't think that anyone beats you up! One of the things that I'm leery of with Konstantin is that he might say that the lap dance he advertises costs extra. If I call him, I will certainly ask him that before hiring him. Lots of masseurs inform you at the end of the massage that a happy ending will cost you extra. Many are honest up front, telling you in their ads that a "legitimate" massage is $100, but an "erotic" massage is $140. As people have said in The Spa again and again and again, you should ask what's included before you hire these guys. Excellent advice!

Here's the link to Philip, who I mentioned: http://www.sexymasseur.com/profile-masseur/432/Philip.html His ad says "Apollon 21," but I think that may be just a coincidence, and that he isn't connected to this scam site that you asked about. At any rate, he sure does look gorgeous!

Well, you might try some of the Russians/Ukranians who advertise without going thru this agency. One of them, Sergei, has the same picture in his ad on either M4M or Masseurfinder. Konstantin, who I mentined earlier, has an ad on M4M. There's also Sasha, Ilya, and others on these sites. I'd be sure their phone numbers aren't the munbers of this Apollon agency before I called them. There's a guy, Philip, on sexymasseur.com, who is even better looking than these guys. If you want a good-looking Ukranian who's honest with accuratepix and won't short-change you on the time, and delivers what he promises, check out Sebastian on M4M. I hired him the other night, and although he wasn't exactly what I like, I can tell you that he's on the level, and not a scam artist.

This has been discussed here recently. I would avoid this particular operation like the plague. There's one Russian, Konstantin, who I'd really like to hire, and seems not to work for this outfit, but I just know that these guys are bad news and not to be trusted.

there certainly should be a "merry middle!" No, it's not a dumb question at all. I've found that masseurs are all over the lot with the words "sensual" and "erotic." As josephga said, some are afraid to promise erotic because they fear prosecution. I had a massage last night which the masseur's ad (on M4M) described as "sensual." Shaving, blow jobs, fucking, showering together; this is sensual? I wonder what he considers "erotic" to be! And this was a masseur, not an escort. I've also had good massges advertised as sensual, where there wasn't a sensual aspect at all. Yes, you need to ask in advance; I ask if there's lots of body contact, mutual touching, and I tell him that I like to be massaged all over ("full body massage" as josephga puts it). I ask if the massage is done in the nude, and I never ask if there's a release or a "happy ending." I let him know that I want sensual/erotic aspects throughout, not just in the last five minutes. And then I ask, "Is this the kind of massage you do?"

Is there a middle before the happy ending? Hey, Midwest student: I just followed your link to Rick's ad on M4M, and he doesn't say anything about sensual or erotic. Sounds strictly therapeutic! I've seen his ad, but have avoided him for not being erotic. Are you sure you gave us the correct link?

Tristano asked about Eric Diamond and Peter. I've seen both of them several times, and I recommend both. Eric is a physical trainer and masseur, and Peter is a former school teacher (he says he may return to that job) and has graduated from the Swedish Institute. Both are personable and articulate, and enjoyable to be with. Eric has a review from me on M4M, in which I talk about his being all over me from every side of the bed. I don't believe that he goes in for anything oral. Yes, Peter does the 45 minutes of massage (real massage, not a rub), and then the "oral fun," which is unusual, in that many guys won't do that these days. He will also let me suck him, which I frankly prefer to vice versa. As for "perfunctory," well, we all have our off days. I will definitely hire both of them again. Their rates are low, and they're both honest, sincere, and give a 60-minute hour.