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That’s often where the process breaks down for some (unless they realize they’ll lose the client entirely and therefore the revenue) Because you’re not typically solving a problem of him needing to feel safe … you’re providing him info he feels he needs on you for other purposes than what he states

Those offended by the green bubble will test your number from WhatsApp and still not be happy - they don’t want your color to be blue per se, they want your name and address (and where you work, contact info for the closest people in your life etc)

I don’t blame the guy other than he didn’t warn me the expectation was someone working for the City in a building run by the government would take a copy of my ID. Had I known that I likely wouldn’t have made the appointment in the first place.

I once met a provider at his place in an SRO facility (often used for people with disabilities and low income). Typically you have to show Id to enter if not a resident. He didn’t tell me about this when he gave me the address. WhileI was annoyed, I figured I’d gone all the way over, and made a commitment to come without prepayment, so I should honor the appointment. The lady processing visitors leaned forward and said “I don’t know what your business is with X but you should know he comes down sometimes to ask for names and details of the people we sign in - and we’re not supposed to do that but some people on the shift will give it to him - so if you care about that, I’ll let you in without taking a copy” … -I again thought of leaving but took her up on that and went up. Everything good - no mention of this- left a nice tip which provider was surprised by and said most don’t, said I should look him up whenever I wanted etc - all good. The next day I got a stern text from him “what are you trying to hide?” - he claimed I got him in trouble by visiting without showing my id and not letting the front desk take a copy. Didn’t make sense as why would he get in trouble if I or someone at the front desk had done something wrong. The only explanation I can think of is he wanted my details and couldn’t get them from the front desk as the lady had waived me through without taking them. This incident certainly increased my alertness to the need to maintain control of my info.

Providers use burner numbers too. Insisting on a non-burner for comms speaks to alarms being raised about the intention of the person asking for it. Im fine if my provider pool is smaller because of my use. I have no trouble completing my dance card without surrendering that privacy.

@Jamie21thanks for enlightening me so I have more sympathy if the escort complaint about time wasting through questions is about this … but I’d ask then what’s the success rate from this type of engagement for a further booking as if it’s low why indulge them in the first place? but I’ll double down on my resentment at providers getting snippy with me then for time wasting given my questions are only on rates, logistics, a clinical questioning of what might be involved - as in comparison I’m totally “clean”

Maybe I’m naive … but what texting (sexting ) happens other than discussing rates, schedules prior to a paid meet?

They are moving on … the OP can’t understand why

I don’t think I’m the one here needing online targets …

There’s a reason one of my favorite guys in my geography is also one of the least expensive. He came to his senses and realized he couldn’t get away with claiming to be south of 40 when he was visibly north of 50. He has also started selling mortgages and life insurance in addition to his former primary work, and I admire his foresight and being nimble. The idea that we are entitled — entitled — to more just by hanging around without increasing perceived value in the market - is at the root of many problems facing our economic society.

The OP can set his price at whatever he wants. He is the producer, marketer, distributor, retailer. However he is not the purchaser, and he can’t force people to hire him, either at the price he wants or at any other rate. Just as no one can force him to deliver service at a price he doesn’t like. A client can be rude in response to sticker shock, demand a reduction etc and be clueless about what it takes to get to the finished product — but not get anywhere with that and walk away … and that’s his right too. If the price setter for one product doesn’t (choose to) realize that prices for everything at every stage of the value chain (including at the client end) are also increasing and that his supposed hardships are not solely faced by him, there isn’t much more a supportive community can do to help after many repeated efforts reiterating similar messages. What else are we talking about here? I have no idea.

We’re human … in real life as well as in the hobby we may filter based on more “base” criteria … “ but who will I be comfortable with” is probably the most important question. It’s also why even before meeting in person the interaction / questions stage can be important. Picture the nervous clients described here on text with a provider losing patience with someone as a booking isn’t confirmed in a nanosecond.

Well they may have been for the other person - who may have been more compatible with their unprofessional criteria. Just as in real life - some providers may treat some people differently based on age / body type / race / socio-economic status etc. Someone having a great experience doesn’t mean another will.

Good providers can read body language, read between the lines, and adjust immediately to what “act” works best with which client. Not that different from real life - even in a hookup as opposed to a relationship - you do better if you constantly recalibrate based on the other persons comfort, needs as they express them, your drawing out those expressions etc

That’s the wrong question to ask and the wrong way to frame it. It should be “what had you learnt, how much greater value could you bring etc - validated by promotions, increased responsibility, or your own ability to successfully close more / higher value deals by the age of 36 that justified a higher salary compared to when you were 21” No one should be rewarded just for hanging around. And you saying your quality hasn’t gone down (you may be right) doesn’t mean anything if the market doesn’t recognize where you position yourself.

If it doesn’t mean they wont book you per your comment, and if it’s not actual “sexting” maybe it’s something providers do need to incorporate more into their time and effort for marketing themselves (ie develop more tolerance).

I assumed it was to get the clients number (which can be as anonymous as theirs can be so don’t really see the advantage) and to talk about things (eg rates, party products etc) that they think safer on app or private phone. and maybe laziness as they don’t want to re-enter client info into their phone or other CRM system in case they get booted from RM

You can’t demand compensation from the universe for what you think you deserve. You can aim for it and do what you can (produce and market it). But no one is obligated to write you a blank check per your own calculation of your monetary worth.

Out of curiosity how are the saunas doing in Toronto? Before covid I remember during a visit thinking they were so much better than those in the us … cleaner and more lively. Has covid changed that?

I think it’s all interconnected these days. On OF and Twitter I’ve seen links back to the Rentmen profile. And on Twitter a post showing a NSFW pic with a caption like “who wants this today …” but it’s clearly not about hooking up (for free). Regarding the auto responses - I don’t believe providers don’t have time to check or don’t bother since that’s a potential source of income. I suspect they prefer moving conversations to text as soon as possible off the site.

I’ve had warnings from some providers - not triggered by anything, perhaps more them acting in pre emptive self defense - kind of like “here are the rules, if you don’t follow them I can and will take action …” easy to forget providers have concerns re the law, their personal safety generally especially if always hosting etc

I think the pages are part of a whole ecosystem - if you look at Twitter AND off AND you see a hashtag for #Rentmen or language such as “available for your needs” in one or all of those places, you can figure out what’s going on. I wouldn’t be so sure of providers ditching traditional work once their channel is up. I see the rising “stars” still on RM and in code on the hookup sites … though don’t know if that’s more publicity for their channels rather than seeking clients.

I don’t see what the fuss is about. Some providers clearly have no problem and even encourage night time sessions. Others don’t. A matter of preference or their own circumstances / convenience and the market accommodates it all. I’ve heard from several NY providers that a particularly busy time is 2am+ on Friday and Saturday nights. And I was reprimanded once for reaching out to someone on a Saturday morning around 10am as didn’t I know that providers would typically be up the night before and needed rest.

I’m glad this is being discussed. I’ve seen in prior threads a naïveté either real or feigned that suggests many still assume condoms to be the norm in the world that providers at least play in. This ignores a massive shift in behavior over the past decade (and I’m not making any judgement on that here). I have experienced at least two providers trying to “stealth” (saying they would use protection but then secretly removing it) and more than one refusing the appointment before even meeting if safe was a requirement (so not based on however grotesque they may find me 😊). And I’ve heard of many similar experiences. Doesn’t make sense to me - if a provider finds a client so unattractive that he is unable to perform, why would going bare mean he could forget all that he found unattractive? While I am on prep I’ll add that many who see providers probably aren’t - for whatever reason - so they have risks that “mainstream” provider culture may not understand or empathize with. And as discussed on here a few times, there are several known instances of providers lying about their health status in their ads - while it’s the clients ultimate responsibility to behave as he feels safest doing, there’s also a false security that can come from a (naive and foolish) belief that risks are as low as the best case scenarios may predict.

That’s called the full boyfriend experience lol