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Speaking of Mom...some years back I had a masseur who was quite an excellent masseur, and towards the end we always ended up both on the table sucking and jo'ing each other. One time I arrived, and after a usual greeting, he put his index finger up to his lips and said sotto voce, Shhh, my mother is in the next room. This being expensive SF real estate, the next room was only separated by a curtain. We had our same usual excellent massage, our same (quiet) excellent sex, and Mom was presumably no wiser. Because he was able to be so casual about it, it didn't bother me a bit. Years later, the last time I saw him was in a Chinese restaurant, with his Chinese lover, and...the lover's Mom. Ha.

Back in the days when I used to hang out in backrooms, arcades, and sex clubs, I learned not to go during flu season. Experience taught that getting the flu, or a winter cold, was much more likely than VD or AIDS, for which you can take at least some precautions. Likewise, as much as I love kissing, during flu season, I don't want to kiss a provider who may be kissing five people a day. I can't speak for AaronVIP, but when you are getting paid "by the client", flu or a cold much less Covid really put a dent in the income.

Hey, Macys is open 10 AM to 9 PM. If I want to shop there, that's when I go. What's so hard to understand about that? I don't have to know or care about what the clerk is doing from 9 PM to 10 AM, it's none of my business. If I think I absolutely need to buy x or y in other hours, I am free to shop around. In our society, there are lots of choices. If a provider absolutely needs your patronage, he can make himself available according to your schedule. If not, you can adjust to his schedule or shop elsewhere. Simple.

If you shop on RentMasseur, that site is overwhelmingly gay men advertising to gay men. I always pick a masseur who advertises therapeutic, sensual and erotic. I always go to independent masseurs, not a massage parlor. First and foremost, I want a good therapeutic massage. I carefully read the reviews and look for 5 star ratings, and descriptions of an excellent therapeutic massage. I am also looking for a masseur where 90% of the reviews were for erotic massages. That indicates that it's a good bet he expects you to be nude and also expects to give you at least a HE in addition to a therapeutic massage. When I arrive I am super friendly, maintain direct eye contact, get out of my clothes immediately, as we are talking, and walk around naked (go to the bathroom etc). It's called flaunt it. The best masseurs give a great massage, introduce sensual elements throughout, and progress to a great erotic experience sometime during the session. Some will start out in shorts or speedos, but many don't. Also, I have found the more often I see someone, the more connected the whole experience becomes. And let's face it, gay men connect through penises.

Every Thai massage I have had both here and in Thailand has been naked. And if you pick masseurs from say, Rentmasseur, they are overwhelmingly gay men serving gay men. And they get to check off therapeutic, sensual, and erotic. And read the reviews. Choose wisely, and I think you will find out that what you call "extras" are pretty standard, depending on just how far you want to go. By the end of the massage, if not at the beginning, you can expect the masseur to be naked for an erotic massage.

I once had the experience that when I arrived at one of my regular's, his husband was there, and left. When I left, the husband was in the lobby about to get on the elevator to return to the apartment. It did not affect our session, but none of the the three of us were thrilled with this I suspect, and it's never happened again. Mistakes happen.

Don't forget Velvet Video arcade in Waikiki. Like all these places it can be hit or miss. But I have had some great hits there.

A couple of years ago I had a masseur visiting Hawaii who came all over me just after I did. It was a nice surprise. I came back a couple of days later, and before the massage he apologized to me that he couldn't cum because he had another appointment after me. Fair enough. Last appointment of the day was the winner with him.

Like nate_sf, I was brought up to always give a token New Year's gift to service providers...the mailman, hair dresser, cleaning lady, newspaper boy, etc. It's a thank you for a year of good service and a hope for a coming year of good service. For many years I was in a personal service business, and often received a holiday gift from clients. A bottle of decent wine, a box of good chocolates, a gift card, cash...depending on the person. Why ever would a masseur or escort be confused by this?

Gay or straight, pissing with your buds can be a great bonding experience. And once your dicks are all out, who knows what else has been known to happen....

IMO, eating cum is one of the great pleasures of being a gay man.

When I turned 50, the best birthday card I received was, "Happy Birthday. Now you don't have to worry about dying young anymore."

When I was young and picking up tricks in bars, I always found Thanksgiving night and Christmas night to be easy pickings. People had spent all day with family and were ready to put a bullet through their brain or a c__k up their a__. Now that I am past the tricking age and in the hiring age, I would expect there are likewise many clients desiring relaxation after a stressful day with family. But of course, completely up to providers to decide if they are working or not. That's the nice thing about being an independent provider.

I go for twunks, but in fact I don't care how old the "boy" actually is...If he looks and acts the part, that's all I care. If he looks 25 but is actually 40, I don't care. However if he posts pictures of him at 25 when he looks 40, I care a lot.

I lived in Iran in the 1960s when I was in my '20s. There was lots of consensual gay sex going on with high school - '20s - '30s young men, as girls were pretty much kept under lock and key. And then there were the bathhouses, where most everyone went on a weekly basis for cleanliness...and where a massage in a private room was 25¢, and another 25¢ to get fucked by the masseur. Let's just say I got a lot of massages. Illegal, immoral, whatever...they don't pay any more attention to their mullahs than we do to our ministers and priests when it comes to cock. This was during the Viet Nam war, when the US military put out a guide to brothels in the Far East, for G.I's on R & R. Both Taiwan and Bangkok were notorious for sex tourism, so I returned to the States via Asia. In the cab from the Bangkok airport to my hotel, the cabbie handed me brochure after brochure for brothels with women. Seeing I had no interest, he reached into his glove compartment and pulled out half a dozen brochures for the brothels with young men. I picked out a brothel, went there, and had a choice of maybe ten sexily-dressed boys vying for my attention. I payed the "madam" the fee to take him for the night. When I returned to my first class hotel with him, the doorman and other hotel workers smiled ear to ear. My boy told me they would have been very disappointed if a client ever came back to bed alone. We spent three days and nights together, even went to his house and met his mother, whom he was undoubtedly supporting. All so terribly civilized. Bangkok is still a great place to hire. Taiwan less so, perhaps because gays are so open and accepted there you don't have to pay.

In the social sciences, it's referred to as "Doing a geographic". That is, "XYZ is not working for me. I just have to move to (wherever) and everything will be fine." Wrong. The problems you have today will travel with you...99% of the time, they are you, not the place.

You probably want to check out RentMasseur / RentMen and see who's in town...there are a constant stream of visitors to Honolulu, and your dream boy from XYZ might just be there. And when you want to get your sleaze on, there is Velvet Video arcade in Waikiki...like all these places, experience varies the full gamut from great to terrible.

It's really the same rule I learned as a 20-year old and newly out...be discrete when bumping into your tricks when out and about. The funniest occasion was when my then-husband and I met a guy at a party with whom we had each surreptitiously tricked with. It soon became obvious to all what the story was. Fortunately, we all were able to have a good laugh over it at the time. Today, however, my husband does not know about my hobby and it needs to stay that way.

Thanks to all of you guys for this. I had not heard of these before, or of providers providing them. Great service, etiquette all around. I try to be meticulously clean, but always worry. I would love to have a packet of these front and center when I arrive at the provider's. .

Or, as one of my boys tells me, he doesn't necessarily remember what interview conversation he had with whom. My interviewing a provider might be my most important conversation in days; to him, it's likely just one of very many interviews he has in a week with people he does not know and doesn't know if he will ever see. Even if you think you came to "agreements" in the interview, best to reiterate them at the actual appointment. He is, one way or another, performing for you. You have to tell him the script.

If I were a provider and had a slot open, I would be delighted to be number two...I fill a slot, get paid for it, and potentially have a new regular if I do a great job. And I would work doubly hard to show you I am better than that other guy anyway!

I have two regulars who've upped their rates 20-30% since pre-covid. These rates are right where the competition seems to be. They both observe how many more providers there are then before, and how much less business they have. Capitalism at work.

ICTJOCK, I have a life, and I assume my boys have a life. I typically send my appointment request out on Sunday and give the provider a choice of numerous days and times during the week. It seems to me this is both realistic and respectful. He knows when I am available, and picks a slot when he is available. On rare occasions, I have had to reschedule when something else comes up during the week. Likewise on rare occasions, they may reschedule is something else comes up for them (a better offer, a longer appointment, a trip, I don't care). I know, there are times a guy needs it "right now", or thinks the provider's life revolves around him. You may forego a few of those clients by insisting you deserve a life of your own. But that's your choice. It may be financially (and emotionally) better to have a steady repeat respectful clientele than to jump on every possible opportunity. I don't know. That is your choice.

When I had a professional consulting business, attached to each contract was a rate sheet titled "Hourly Rates, 2023". This set the expectation that the rates were not forever. Depending on the job, the client, the longevity of the contract, etc., (including how busy I was), I adjusted rates periodically. But any adjustments had to take into account the state of the economy, how committed the client was, etc. Supply and Demand.

There is something about a hands-free anal orgasm that is intensely emotional. It's just like mother said it was supposed to be like.