Do M4M providers have a "bad date" list?

[Mocha]

I wonder why Mocha aka Jarrod Brandon aka Joey Bryant aka Jamahl aka Jabari Blaine removed the link from his signature if he was so proud of it?

 

Here it is for everyone in case you hadn't seen the shitshow:

 

Again. You or others don’t need to disagree with it. But it works for me. You’re a hypocrite anyway because, why would you even bring up a topic, and then not be prepared to get the answers?

 

And who are you? Your profile is barely a year old, and you’re trying to come out the woodwork and call me out. My name has remained the same BEFORE you ever became a member. So either YOU have made name changes yourself, or you’re just somebody who wants to stir up some shit.

[Mocha]

I would not recommend clicking on any external link that might somehow be controlled / monitored by Joey / Jarrod / Brandon / Mocha.....not that he's dangerous but that he could become an unwanted nuisance / annoyance / irritant.

 

You’re the most irritating MoFo on the forum, whom are you to speak! You’ve been inciting shit with me since day 1. Get a life and stop worrying about mine...

[Mocha]

Agreed. I feel like @KCRob's statement could/should be a whole thread of its own to call this behavior out.

 

I'm the OP of this thread, and I agree with providers having a list that they can put clients on but publicly sharing someone's phone number because they didn't set an appointment or keep an appointment is a real piece of shit move. If the person stole from you, was violent towards you, or threatened you in some way- I get it. Green light. Destroy them. But just because they are rude, or flaky, or disorganized, or their life suddenly changed is really unconscionable and is likely to land Mocha aka Jarrod Brandon aka Joey Bryant in some trouble of some kind somewhere along the way.

 

That’s again, your opinion. And that’s also your opinion if you think it’s okah to destroy them if they did violent or rude things, which I’m not doing.

 

You make rude, flaky and disorganized sound like harmless. Yet, if it was your time on the line, you traveling long distances, you missing appointments and other opportunities due to a flaky client, you wouldn’t be crying WOLF yourself.

 

If a client cancels for good reason or change in schedule, fine. But to be stood up on an outcall, stood up after getting a hotel ready, etc. that’s unacceptable.

 

Listen, you don’t have to like it. It’s Twitter. It’s not like I’m showing up to their place of employment or mailing letters to their spouses and shit. You painting it to be far more sinister and vindictive than it really is. I’ve not caused any clients to lose a job or spouse or ANYTHING except maybe time and a cancellation fee here and there.

 

So STOP with the accusations and nonsense.

[Mocha]

You do know I don't work for Twitter right? I'm pointing out what you're doing is against Twitter's Terms of Service. You don't seem to be comprehending that point entirely.

 

I see why you face a lot of backlash on this board. You're turning a "Doing this is against this platform's TOS and to use a different one" into a "I'm the victim and I should be allowed to do this in order to better the industry". Literally figure out your shit.

 

No, that’s what you’re saying. You’re saying I’m victim. Which is erroneous as fuck. I’m the victor because since implementing this, I’ve been reimbursed for my expenses in cases where I otherwise would have been left empty handed.

[mike carey]

Well said, @Kurtis Wolfe!

[wklucas]

You’re the most irritating MoFo on the forum, whom are you to speak! You’ve been inciting shit with me since day 1. Get a life and stop worrying about mine...

 

I do worry about you.....I probably should worry about you simply running out of friends who can tolerate you but for now I just worry about you running out of friends who let you crash on their couches....

Too bad that you need to keep trying to find work but good psychiatrists don't come cheap.

[MiamiLooker]

You’re the most irritating MoFo on the forum...

 

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[Mocha]

I do worry about you.....I probably should worry about you simply running out of friends who can tolerate you but for now I just worry about you running out of friends who let you crash on their couches....

Too bad that you need to keep trying to find work but good psychiatrists don't come cheap.

 

MoFo, please. I haven’t crashed on anyone’s couch you fool. You are so ignorant sounding. When I do crash at someone’s house, I have my own guest room usually. And I’m always bringing wine and food and having a grand ole time.

 

Stop talking to me. You’re a lowlife shit starter, and you keep talking shit to make me look bad.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I'm just waiting for Mocha to race-bait Kurtis, vilifying him for not understanding as he's not a 'person of color.'

 

System malfunction in 3... 2... 1....

Edited June 6, 2018 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[Mocha]

I'm just waiting for Mocha to race-bait Kurtis, vilifying him for not understanding as he's not a 'person of color.'

 

System malfunction in 3... 2... 1....

 

The only one race baiting is...you.

 

I’ve nothing against Kurtis and if I took his advice suggestion out of context, I take that back.

 

If anything, I adopted thru the grape vine, the whole thing from Kurtis himself who if I’m correct, had a system of his own? Correct me if I’m wrong...

[Mocha]

So should Mocha just post the flakes number on his own personal website and not twitter then... and maybe not all the text messages, but just the number and a brief summary of what they did to that escort. Thats what a previous website layout did i think it was called blacklist or something like that.

 

Theres been instances as an escort where I got messages from a client who was flaky/i wasnt sure about and I just googled their number which lead me reading other escorts saying that the person was a flake and it helped me out to avoid and not meet that person.

 

How would you guys make it fair, clients can post bad reviews, so how can a escort post a review to warn other escorts, because they are so many time wasters sometimes way more than real clients. I don't even care about those clients that stop communication last minute but those REALLY evil ones who take it one step further and give you a fake address to an apartment or hotel and you show up and no one is there or those who pay you half or nothing at all

 

THANKYOU! Gawd Thankyou!

 

I can only say so much now as I’m trying to make it to a session, but I’m glad someone has some sense around here.

 

People are getting so knotted up, yet they ignore that there’s an entire section called the DELI that I dare say....Quasi REVIEWS/GOSSIPS about escorts who many times, probably haven’t a clue. Atleast I notify my bad boys they’re going on the list and give them opportunity to amend.

 

I’m sure clients don’t go, “hey [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER], I Posted a thread in the Deli about you, on a forum that is frequented by thousands of people. I just wanted to ask them about you, behind your back...instead of asking you directly. hope you don’t mind.”

 

So all the huffing and puffing they’re doing on here about me posting on Twitter, is very hypocritical. I removed the link because I’m not going to be bullied, belittled and tattle telled into removing something or have something criticized by people who aren’t paying my bills nor expenses and not helping me get them paid either.

Edited June 8, 2018 by Mocha

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

The only one race baiting is...you.

 

I’ve nothing against Kurtis and if I took his advice suggestion out of context, I take that back.

 

If anything, I adopted thru the grape vine, the whole thing from Kurtis himself who if I’m correct, had a system of his own? Correct me if I’m wrong...

 

Your reply gives me hope that you're learning how to manage people and how you respond to them. That's a good thing.

 

I think many of us have our own ways of keeping track of those who waste time, outright lie, attempt to setup imaginary appointments, etc. Whether it's logging IPs or, if the circumstance demands, more invasive background checks, it's tough for most people to not leave an electronic trail when they fool around online.

[+ freecahill1965]

So should Mocha just post the flakes number on his own personal website and not twitter then... and maybe not all the text messages, but just the number and a brief summary of what they did to that escort. Thats what a previous website layout did i think it was called blacklist or something like that.

 

Theres been instances as an escort where I got messages from a client who was flaky/i wasnt sure about and I just googled their number which lead me reading other escorts saying that the person was a flake and it helped me out to avoid and not meet that person.

 

How would you guys make it fair, clients can post bad reviews, so how can a escort post a review to warn other escorts, because they are so many time wasters sometimes way more than real clients. I don't even care about those clients that stop communication last minute but those REALLY evil ones who take it one step further and give you a fake address to an apartment or hotel and you show up and no one is there or those who pay you half or nothing at all

Most clients do not use their real names and do not use their real numbers. I am not sure that any system that communicates and warns about flakes can be effective. Once a flakey client's name is posted, they can just change their name just like flakey escorts. I guess a good vetting process can only increase the odds for a good session for both parties.

[MisterMike]

Again. You or others don’t need to disagree with it. But it works for me. You’re a hypocrite anyway because, why would you even bring up a topic, and then not be prepared to get the answers?

I dont think you know what a hypocrite is.

[MisterMike]

I am in complete agreement with you on this, @MisterMike. Btw, I’m sorry for my part in hijacking your thread away from your main point. When things started escalating in light of Mocha’s activity, I wasn’t sure if I should start a new thread in the Deli or not. I will leave that for others to decide.

My comment was more to say- you SHOULD start a new thread, for sure. I support it. =)

[+ Travis69]

I know a guy who got his name and number listed on one of those sites years ago. Knowing him and how he treated people in general I wasn't surprised.

[MisterMike]

I do have a system as what was stated earlier in this thread. What I'm trying to explain to you is that your use of Twitter is a Terms of Service violation. You do not seem to comprehend that at all even after repeatedly informing you of that fact.

Quite honestly he appears to lack the critical thinking skills to understand the argument, and a cursory glance of his various comments on this site over the years seems to show a pattern of playing the victim, lashing out, accusing others for his problems, and then going back to victimhood. You can't help those people.

[+ VictorPowers]

[Mocha]

I do have a system as what was stated earlier in this thread. What I'm trying to explain to you is that your use of Twitter is a Terms of Service violation. You do not seem to comprehend that at all even after repeatedly informing you of that fact.

 

What I’m trying to explain to you is, I’ve not once had an ISSUE based off the posts I’ve made. I’m not posting any personal information about anyone, they are simply screenshots. The same shit people do of their Grindr messages. You don’t seem to comprehend that at all, even after repeatedly informing YOU of THAT fact..

[Mocha]

I dont think you know what a hypocrite is.

 

Let me tell you something. you passive aggressive mother trucker... I know what a hypocrite is. It’s YOU. You sitting here talking about all my posts over the years, but yet your profile says you joined last year of 2017. Where were you all those “years” that you speak of? Like I said, either you’ve switched names yourself (which makes you a hypocrite for criticizing me), or you were hiding in the shadows...which makes you a coward if you waited all these years, only to call me out when I benefit your ass by contributing to your post.

 

Yet, you show your appreciation (lack thereof) by dogging me out on some bullshit so you can denigrate me in front of dozens of viewers by saying things to make me feel inferior, intimidated and uneducated. Then you fucking sit here on your ass, and try to act holier than thou by saying what I’m doing on Twitter wrong. You are a HYPOCRITE, MOFO!!!!

 

hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/

noun

1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
    
   synonyms: dissimulation, false virtue, cant, posturing, affectation, speciousness, empty talk, insincerity, falseness, deceit, dishonesty, mendacity, pretense, duplicity;
   

[MisterMike]

Let me tell you something. you passive aggressive mother trucker... I know what a hypocrite is. It’s YOU. You sitting here talking about all my posts over the years, but yet your profile says you joined last year of 2017. Where were you all those “years” that you speak of? Like I said, either you’ve switched names yourself (which makes you a hypocrite for criticizing me), or you were hiding in the shadows...which makes you a coward if you waited all these years, only to call me out when I benefit your ass by contributing to your post.

 

Yet, you show your appreciation (lack thereof) by dogging me out on some bullshit so you can denigrate me in front of dozens of viewers by saying things to make me feel inferior, intimidated and uneducated. Then you fucking sit here on your ass, and try to act holier than thou by saying what I’m doing on Twitter wrong. You are a HYPOCRITE, MOFO!!!!

 

hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/

noun

1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
    
   synonyms: dissimulation, false virtue, cant, posturing, affectation, speciousness, empty talk, insincerity, falseness, deceit, dishonesty, mendacity, pretense, duplicity;
   

im·be·cile

ˈimbəsəl/

noun

informal

1. 1.
   a stupid person.
   

adjective

1. 1.
   stupid; idiotic.
   "try not to make imbecile remarks"
   

[TXDav]

What I’m trying to explain to you is, I’ve not once had an ISSUE based off the posts I’ve made. I’m not posting any personal information about anyone, they are simply screenshots. The same shit people do of their Grindr messages. You don’t seem to comprehend that at all, even after repeatedly informing YOU of THAT fact..

 

This isn't true. On April 11 you posted a "weirdo caller alert" about a guy who contacted you from an Ocala hotel. When you texted back info you needed to confirm, you got no response. Then you proceeded to post his name and phone number, along with a screenshot with his phone number. This is the type of infraction that warrants going nuclear by publicly posting a client's name and phone number? You couldn't just post initials or a first name with a partial phone number? It wasn't even a confirmed appointment; this was still the planning stage. You lost 6 minutes (the length of the phone call) over this. Yet you breached one of the basic covenants of the client/provider relationship, discretion. I could never trust a provider who would do this to a client so easily.

[+ EVdude]

Hmmm... this:

your profile says you joined last year of 2017.

Means this:

either you’ve switched names yourself, or you were hiding in the shadows...

 

???

 

Yes, we’re all born with the URL of this website embedded in our DNA and when we finally admit to our needs and desires we come out and join.

 

Illogical thinking aside, I so wish I had found this site way before December of 2010. Just saying!

[MisterMike]

Hmmm...

 

Thanks for calling out that completely illogical line of thought. Perhaps our easily confused friend doesn't realize that there's a log of every conversation on this site and everything on the internet lives forever- which is both how we can catch up on his bullshit and why what he's doing on twitter is really wrong. Bless her heart.

[+ IronMaus]

There is a guy in SF that gives people bad checks after a session--after saying he'll use cash or card. He often involves security and sometimes calls the police. He has done this to dozens of people and many people I know. He uses burner phones, alternate yet accurate stats, and has several locations (he claims are airBnB) to host. Most of these details have been posted on Twitter. I make a lot of notes and save this sort of information. I've several numbers, descriptions, addresses, and names for him. I have a copy of a bad check and a video of him screaming "security". He's tried to hire me several times. I've politely declined.

 

I'm NOT condoning every instance where Mocha has posted people's info. But when a client flakes on a scheduled session with a no call/no show or writes a bad check, I assume he does it to others and will do it again. To me this is no different than stealing. In my opinion, these clients forfeit there right to discretion and their "personal" info should be shared.

 

Last month, the bad check client hired an escort that realized who he was before the end of the session. The escort flipped out and beat his ass bad. Broke several teeth on his fist/against a wall...

 

The escort had only heard about the bad check guy. He hadn't seen his varying info sporadically posted online. He didn't know what I knew. Had there been a more efficient website or service dedicated to posting this guy's "personal" info, many escorts wouldn't have been ripped off and the client could have saved himself a trip to the hospital.