NYPD Sends a Chilling Message/Today's New York Post

[+ sync]

S'il vous plaît, emmenez-moi à la maison.

(Please, take me home.)

[KeepItReal]

“...thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.”

 

The new ministry an use existing Bibical writings like the above. :)

Reminds me of this clip from Bill Maher's show! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2QbGHBRVQ8

[marylander1940]

Reminds me of this clip from Bill Maher's show! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2QbGHBRVQ8

 

I loved it!

 

@KeepItReal Thank you!

[+ FrankR]

Reminds me of this clip from Bill Maher's show! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2QbGHBRVQ8

Hilarious! You have a wicked sense of humour...I approve!

[Walker1]

Yup. The house sponsor of SESTA said they just decided to go after all prostitution because less prostitution, less trafficking. This equation is scary.

Didn't Jesus hang out with prostitutes ? Am I not following the teachings of Jesus when I hang out with escorts? Maybe in the liberal areas-a scientologist??

 

I am just scared of the path we are going down on and just sad with the dems on SESTA.

 

I shudder to think what we will be like if Pence ever takes office. Will gays be stoned??

[+ pitman]

"Creeps" !!

I'm sure the "creeps" include many of the staff of the NY Post.

[+ StLouisOct]

Not to go into the whole issue here, but if you are stating you feel the emphasis is to crackdown on underage prostitution and those forced into it, wouldn't that apply to investigation for such cases on RentMen and gay sites full of adult males as well?

Identification can be faked.

The law is broad enough to cover RentMen and gay sites. My point was that it seemed to me that the emphasis in Congressional/political discussions has been on sex trafficking of young women, especially those who are immigrants and many whose situations amount to slave conditions. That's not to say that politician and prosecutors are limited to that realm. What I was wondering about is whether a lot of effort will be spent going after something like Rentmen when that type of website has not been emphasized as something that needs to be closed down. Of course, police and prosecutors in some jurisdictions who want to go after everything that's "sinful" will do so and owners of our favorite gay sites may not want to take the risk.

[+ StLouisOct]

Didn't Jesus hang out with prostitutes ? Am I not following the teachings of Jesus when I hang out with escorts? Maybe in the liberal areas-a scientologist??

 

I am just scared of the path we are going down on and just sad with the dems on SESTA.

 

I shudder to think what we will be like if Pence ever takes office. Will gays be stoned??

Hmm, I'm hard pressed to imagine a Democrat or Republican arguing in a campaign that their constituency shouldn't be bothered by their vote against a law perceived to combat prostitution and sex trafficking of young women because Jesus was known to hang with prostitutes. Reality rears its ugly head and our displeasure with the outcome really makes no difference.

[Walker1]

Hmm, I'm hard pressed to imagine a Democrat or Republican arguing in a campaign that their constituency shouldn't be bothered by their vote against a law perceived to combat prostitution and sex trafficking of young women because Jesus was known to hang with prostitutes. Reality rears its ugly head and our displeasure with the outcome really makes no difference.

Yet one democrat and one repub senator voted against it, as did a few congress men. Kudos to them. Reality is that the congress men who voed for it know what exactly it is and don't care-it is a bonus gift to the prison industrial complex. They will use this law to fill the coffers of the local law enforcement mafias. Hey we already throw more people in jail than any nation on earth-so what is the big deal about ruining even more lives-not like either party cares about the average American.

 

If anyone can be called a prostitute-it is the congressmen who sell their souls and this country for money.

[+ stevenkesslar]

The house sponsor of SESTA said they just decided to go after all prostitution because less prostitution, less trafficking. This equation is scary.

 

Brilliant.

 

That's like saying the way to go after rape is to go after all sex. Because the less sex, the less rape.

[Bearofdistinction]

Here is a link to the article about this:

 

https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/nypd-sends-warning-texts-to-creeps-looking-for-prostitutes/

 

Drug Traffic = A Rampant Murder Rate == Quality of Life Crimes like muggings/assault/home invasions/carjacking/robberies/etc and NYPD is wasting resources on men who want to get their dicks sucked --- What a Country!

 

Well Kids Welcome to the 50s -- Maybe IKE will run for re-election and get the country back on track!

[+ stevenkesslar]

Preaching to the choir, but here's what so fucked up about this.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/nypd-sends-warning-texts-to-creeps-looking-for-prostitutes/

 

From the Post article Moondance hyperlinked above. Thanks Moondance.

 

"Police have posted phony listings on sites like Backpage.com for years, but always waited until the would-be john showed up and then arrested him.

 

But while a single ad typically leads up to a dozen men to actually show up in person, another 25 to 75 guys call but either don’t book a “date” or never arrive, sources say.

 

The ones who don’t seal the deal get the warnings, which the NYPD’s human trafficking team began sending out in February.

 

“There’s nothing you can do about the regulars who do this all the time,” a source told The Post.

 

“But hopefully it will scare people trying it for the first time, or legitimate people who have jobs or families who don’t want to get arrested.”

 

Think through the logic of that. This won't deter the "regulars," so the whole point is to deter "legitimate" people. Like people who have jobs and families.

 

So "regulars" who are not "legitimate" don't have jobs or families? What the fuck does "legitimate" even mean in this context?

 

There's a cover story in TIME this week about arrests for undocumented immigrants going up under Trump, and it made me think there are some parallels to the new crusade against prostitution. This NY Post story seems to confirm it.

 

As far as the feds know, illegal border crossings are way down since Trump was elected. Some of it is likely simply Trump's crackdown rhetoric. And some of it, they are speculating, is fear that even if you get across the border, you are more likely to be arrested and sent home.

 

Under W. and Obama the policy was to focus on arresting and deporting criminals (excluding the fact that you are undocumented, which makes 100 % of undocumented people criminals). Under Trump, the policy has been broadened to include all roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants, including people who are law-abiding, have kids, go to work every day.

 

There's a few problems. Doing that doesn't deter people who are already here, and have jobs and families and kids. It just fills them with dread and fucks up their families, kids, and jobs.

 

The second problem is that ICE estimates they have the resources to catch about 4 percent of undocumented immigrants every year. So if you add no resources, and vastly increase the number of targets, what you actually do is dilute the effect of enforcement. You may deter more people from coming into the US - maybe. But you fill everyone undocumented in the US with dread, and you don't catch more people. So probably what you do is catch less actual criminals.

 

That's what the quote above suggests about this effort. "Regular" sex traffickers likely won't be deterred. In fact, they don't respond to ads - they run them. So who you end up bagging are relatively more "legitimate" people, according to the NYPD spokesman interviewed. But "regulars" won't be stopped.

 

It's not clear whether the ad NYPD ran involves children or imples involuntary "trafficking." But the quote in the body of the article - "A lot of these girls are being forced or coerced to work as prostitutes — it is human trafficking,” suggests that NYPD just equated prostitution with trafficking.

 

There's no way to tell whether these efforts actually reduce the number of trafficked women or kids - although even the NYPD quote seems to suggest it doesn't. I think what could eventually turn this around is if there is evidence that it hasn't stopped trafficking, or even put a dent in it. Probably the best argument of opponents of FOSTA was that it would simply make sex trafficking harder to fight, by driving it underground.

 

How you document that is a good question. But the way to undermine the bill, eventually, is the same as what happened with Prohibition. It could have a similar effect of targeting all kinds of so-called "legitimate" people without getting rid of or even deterring the underlying criminal activity.

Edited April 5, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[Walker1]

What scares me is Trump openly calling for the death penalty for drug dealers. If that becomes more acceptable-I count upon dems to jump and approve it like they did SESTA/FOSTA- will we be heading to middle east style lives?

[Kippy]

What scares me is Trump openly calling for the death penalty for drug dealers. If that becomes more acceptable-I count upon dems to jump and approve it like they did SESTA/FOSTA- will we be heading to middle east style lives?

 

Strange enough, in many politically correct circles "...heading to middle east style lives?" would be considered a good thing!

 

Saints preserve us...

 

Kipp