BE CAREFUL IN HAWAII

[+ azdr0710]

Thanks for what, exactly? The last 10 posts or so have been about a television program, while the real topic of the thread was never really addressed. So far we know that someone was arrested somewhere in Hawaii.

 

nice, the forum's perennial grump is back......latbear's post (here in the "Ask An Escort" subforum) is very helpful to those who need to know that information.....while being discreet, he has first-hand knowledge and is offering what he can....

Edited March 1, 2018 by azdr0710

[+ peterhung85]

I thought it was an unusual occurrence. I do know it happens, but I always thought it would happen rarely. You say it happens all the time in Vegas? I am even more surprised, I thought Nevada was prostitution friendly.

I have read it from an official source that among metropolitan cities in the USA, Las Vegas ranks #1 in number of arrests for prostitution / solicitation. Statistics also revealed that #2 was Los Angeles with almost HALF of the amount of arrests for prostitution / solicitation. That should give you a clearer picture on how massively it is enforced in the city of Las Vegas. Please note, that I have read this about 5 years ago, so don't quote me on the exact ratio as of today... but I doubt that the ratio has changed all that much.

 

Nevada (more specifically those rural counties) - as my fellow forum member said - on the other hand legalized it in form of brothels. Essentially, the 2 counties where prostitution is illegal in Nevada: Clark County (Las Vegas) and Washoe County (Reno). But then again, why would you want to go in Nevada anywhere else?

[Walker1]

I have read it from an official source that among metropolitan cities in the USA, Las Vegas ranks #1 in number of arrests for prostitution / solicitation. Statistics also revealed that #2 was Los Angeles with almost HALF of the amount of arrests for prostitution / solicitation.

Interesting. Los Angeles is surprising-I think it is a money maker/pension funder for cops and the machine. People caught in solicitation charges are not going to fight expensive legal battles and face publicity and would rather pay, cut a deal and hush it up. So the police and city act like a mafia.

 

I just wish there is a way we could make it legalized. I was very disappointed in Obama when he went after Rentboy. Now they are passing that law of sexual trafficking. They will probably use that law to go after clients and say pay 10,000 dollars or you will be labeled a trafficker and face felony charges. We really need to do something to fight back against the pension booster laws.

Edited March 1, 2018 by Walker1

[+ José Soplanucas]

I agree. We do need public advocacy groups. I cannot wait to retire from teaching.

[crushme99]

That should give you a clearer picture on how massively it is enforced in the city of Las Vegas.

 

peter, your rep here is stellar and your perspective on the inner workings of things is appreciated. I've had 3 muscle worship sessions in Vegas and fortunately nothing went wrong. As an occasional client and someone who enjoys Vegas for several reasons, I can't help but feel a little nervous in light of your observations.

Is law enforcement as equally focused on male providers as females? Does hiring a highly-rated provider make a difference in terms of risk? How concerned should a small-potatoes client like me actually be?

Not to sound like a Nervous Nellie, but a guy does wonder.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Does hiring a highly-rated provider make a difference in terms of risk?

 

Of course it does: A string of consistent, quality reviews on Daddy's means everything in this industry.

 

It's not a guarantee, but it's the closest thing running. At least you can mark a guy like that off the 'working for the fuzz' list.

[crushme99]

Of course it does: A string of consistent, quality reviews on Daddy's means everything in this industry.

It's not a guarantee, but it's the closest thing running. At least you can mark a guy like that off the 'working for the fuzz' list.

 

Unless even a positive rep from "our" standpoint gives him higher visibility on law enforcement's radar screen or the hotel staffs and they are watching. – Sheesh! I'm gonna make myself paranoid here.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Is LE targeting mostly providers or clients?

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Unless even a positive rep from "our" standpoint gives him higher visibility on law enforcement's radar screen or the hotel staffs and they are watching. – Sheesh! I'm gonna make myself paranoid here.

 

You're being a little paranoid, but that's ok

 

A smart escort will quickly make friends with the hotel staff he's seeing on a regular basis. I did that, tipping well and they took great care of me (and by extension, my clients).

 

Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels. You can save yourself a ton of grief just by being smart about where you stay or where you're going.

[+ peterhung85]

peter, your rep here is stellar and your perspective on the inner workings of things is appreciated. I've had 3 muscle worship sessions in Vegas and fortunately nothing went wrong. As an occasional client and someone who enjoys Vegas for several reasons, I can't help but feel a little nervous in light of your observations.

Is law enforcement as equally focused on male providers as females? Does hiring a highly-rated provider make a difference in terms of risk? How concerned should a small-potatoes client like me actually be?

Not to sound like a Nervous Nellie, but a guy does wonder.

 

Hi @crushme99 . I can't say whether they are equally focused or not, the female industry is still bigger (in terms of numbers) so I would assume that they put a lot more emphasis on that than the male one, however it still exists nevertheless.

 

Yes, hiring someone who is highly reviewed here gives you a really high certainty of not only avoiding LE but ensuring that your partner will be professional in all aspects.

[+ peterhung85]

Is LE targeting mostly providers or clients?

I can only speak for Las Vegas and it is BOTH. Never forget meeting a new client and asking the standard "what brought you to town" question and the answer being: "court date"

Edited March 2, 2018 by peterhung85

[+ peterhung85]

You're being a little paranoid, but that's ok

 

A smart escort will quickly make friends with the hotel staff he's seeing on a regular basis. I did that, tipping well and they took great care of me (and by extension, my clients).

 

Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels. You can save yourself a ton of grief just by being smart about where you stay or where you're going.

 

Your first statement "A smart escort will quickly make friends with the hotel staff he's seeing on a regular basis." may be totally true where you operate from, but in Las Vegas it is not applicable.

... in Vegas nobody knows you, a hotel that has 5,000 rooms available that you walk into once a week on average, trust me, nobody will remember you.... not to mention the amount of people go through an average Vegas hotel. Nobody cares, you are lost in the crowd. Trying to make friends and tip the staff so that they turn their heads the other way would be stupid on my end if they never notice me in the first place.

 

Your second statement is outright dangerous to clients/members of this forum:

"Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels." My dear Lord! Would you like a list of hotels where my co-workers AND clients were arrested? Here is a list which is by no means comprehensive:

Wynn, Encore, Cosmopolitan, Bally's, Planet Hollywood, Mandalay Bay, Red Rock. These are just cases I know personally... and just by staying at another hotel should not give you comfort as vice operates from all hotels in Vegas...

@Benjamin_Nicholas please do NOT share false information and put clients/members of this forum in danger by telling them things that are untrue. We all have an opinion and in that case just put "I think" or "in my opinion" ... otherwise people will rely on your response and may get in trouble.... it would not be good for you or for them...

 

Don't take it personally, I just don't want to see - not even one - of our members/clients arrested due to making them think, that they are safe from sting ops because they are not at Motel 6.

Edited March 2, 2018 by peterhung85

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Your first statement "A smart escort will quickly make friends with the hotel staff he's seeing on a regular basis." may be totally true where you operate from, but Las Vegas it is not applicable.

... in Vegas nobody knows you, a hotel that has 5,000 rooms available that you walk into once a week on average, trust me, nobody will remember you.... not to mention the amount of people go through an average Vegas hotel. Nobody cares, you are lost in the crowd. Trying to make friends and tip the staff so that they turn their heads the other way would be stupid on my end if they never notice me in the first place.

 

Your second statement is outright dangerous to clients/members of this forum:

"Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels." My dear Lord! Would you like a list of hotels where my co-workers AND clients were arrested? Here is a list which is by no means comprehensive:

Wynn, Encore, Cosmopolitan, Bally's, Planet Hollywood, Mandalay Bay, Red Rock. These are just cases I know personally ... please do NOT share false information and put clients/members of this forum in danger by telling them things that are untrue. We all have an opinion and in that case just put "I think" or "in my opinion" ... otherwise people will rely on your response and may get in trouble.... it would not be good for you or for them...

 

Don't take it personally but I don't want to see - not even one - of our members/clients arrested due to making them thinking, that they are safe from sting ops because they are not at Motel 6.

 

 

I'm not making definitive statements. I'm giving you my personal experience. And yes, even in Vegas, tipping off concierges and front desk management has saved me future stress. Again, my experience.

 

You're only equating this with Vegas... Think larger scale. Higher-end properties (Ritz, Four Seasons, Mandarin, etc) rarely see sting operations, if ever. Tax-payer money used in that amount isn't the norm. I never said it was a fail safe (nothing is), but simply not the norm when it comes to hotels that operate with a high nightly cost.

 

What I'm not doing is fear-mongering. I've always told people to think with their big heads, but there are always small ways to protect yourself even further.

[+ peterhung85]

I'm not making definitive statements. I'm giving you my personal experience. And yes, even in Vegas, tipping off concierges and front desk management has saved me future stress. Again, my experience.

 

You're only equating this with Vegas... Think larger scale. Higher-end properties (Ritz, Four Seasons, Mandarin, etc) rarely see sting operations, if ever. Tax-payer money used in that amount isn't the norm. I never said it was a fail safe (nothing is), but simply not the norm when it comes to hotels that operate with a high nightly cost.

 

What I'm not doing is fear-mongering. I've always told people to think with their big heads, but there are always small ways to protect yourself even further.

Agree on what you said however @crushme99 was talking about Las Vegas specifically (please read back). In response to him you stated "Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels." ... that is what prompted me to jump in and tell you that your statement is untrue and I really don't want anybody in our community get hurt... I know you don't either, but if they rely on your response they could have got into trouble and I wanted to save them from such experience or at least limit the chances of such thing happening to anyone. That's all...

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Agree on what you said however @crushme99 was talking about Las Vegas specifically (please read back). In response to him you stated "Also, LE isn't setting up stings at higher-end hotels." ... that is what prompted me to jump in and tell you that your statement is untrue and I really don't want anybody in our community get hurt... I know you don't either, but if they rely on your response they could have got into trouble and I wanted to save them from such experience or at least limit the chances of such thing happening to anyone. That's all...

 

We agree on what's most important- Keeping guys safe.

 

My statement on high-end hotels remains something I firmly believe: While I'd never say it was failsafe, it's a lot smarter than going to the La Quinta if you're in a red-alert area.

 

Your best bet remains going with a reviewed, vetted escort. In nearly every story I hear of LE nabbing someone, there are always a ton of red flags that were repeatedly ignored. Use your head... Don't be a statistic.

 

This cat-and-mouse game will always exist, at least until society figures out a way to legalize (and tax) it. Trust your instincts if things feel wrong.

[marylander1940]

We agree on what's most important- Keeping guys safe.

 

My statement on high-end hotels remains something I firmly believe: While I'd never say it was failsafe, it's a lot smarter than going to the La Quinta if you're in a red-alert area.

 

Your best bet remains going with a reviewed, vetted escort. In nearly every story I hear of LE nabbing someone, there are always a ton of red flags that were repeatedly ignored. Use your head... Don't be a statistic.

 

This cat-and-mouse game will always exist, at least until society figures out a way to legalize (and tax) it. Trust your instincts if things feel wrong.

 

That's why one of the questions I've made was if there was any PNP (real or expected involved), a meeting in a public area, advertising on BP or a hotel in the highway.

[YoungAD]

nice, the forum's perennial grump is back......latbear's post (here in the "Ask An Escort" subforum) is very helpful to those who need to know that information.....while being discreet, he has first-hand knowledge and is offering what he can....

 

Having a difference of opinion regarding the usefulness of a post is hardly being the "forum grump." Perhaps instead of attacking me for criticising a post that serves to scare, rather than inform anyone of anything actually useful you should take a page from one of our more upbeat and prolific users and jump on the "Who likes avocado?" type-thread bandwagon.

[Larstrup]

I'm curious what do you say when you go up to concierges and front desk management when you give them a little extra $. I assume they wouldn't want someone in their rooms doing illegal activities, and I assume not all would agree to take money to cover for someone. I would just try to be discreet and not want to get extra eyes on me. Imagine the opposite happens and after you

 

It’s part of Benjamin‘s marketing as being a superior escort. However if you believe that he never travels anywhere without a client appointment and that he never does hourly appointments, then there’s really no need for him to ever tip any concierge in any hotel, to protect his business presence.

 

If you believe that.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Aww, how cute.

 

She's trying to attack me

[BabyBoomer]

Aww, how cute.

 

She's trying to attack me

 

Another Alex Forrest?

 

~Boomer~

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Another Alex Forrest?

 

~Boomer~

 

I can neither confirm nor deny, but we may want to keep live rabbits and boiling pots of water away from him

[maninsoma]

Interesting. Los Angeles is surprising-I think it is a money maker/pension funder for cops and the machine. People caught in solicitation charges are not going to fight expensive legal battles and face publicity and would rather pay, cut a deal and hush it up. So the police and city act like a mafia.

 

I just wish there is a way we could make it legalized. I was very disappointed in Obama when he went after Rentboy. Now they are passing that law of sexual trafficking. They will probably use that law to go after clients and say pay 10,000 dollars or you will be labeled a trafficker and face felony charges. We really need to do something to fight back against the pension booster laws.

 

I've seen similar posts here before and feel compelled to respond. Since I'm a long time poster here, I obviously don't think that consensual sex between adults should bring about law enforcement action. Sex trafficking laws have come about, however, because it is a real problem. It isn't just about having puritanical values or about trying to extract money from people arrested in order to "boost pensions." I personally think it's appropriate for law enforcement to pursue those who go after run away kids and manipulate them into being sex workers. I also think it's appropriate for LE to become involved when an adult is being pimped by someone else. To quote Lady Reed aka the Queen Bee, "It's your pussy; sell it for yourself!"

[Walker1]

Since I'm a long time poster here, I obviously don't think that consensual sex between adults should bring about law enforcement action.

What I meant to say was law enforcement will use the new sex trafficking laws to target a normal client or anyone and charge them with felonies and extract 10,000 dollars or more.

 

The Patriot act was to catch terrorists and who did it snag-Elliott Spitzer. Was he a terrorist-no he was hiring an escort. Turned out they were and probably are using the patriot act to snag people who hire escorts and part them from their money and fill their greedy pensions and keep their department budgets. Probably because once they catch them, people just pay the fine, plead something-so nothing goes on record.

 

Sex trafficking-the real kind -is horrendous. That is buying or selling humans and in many cases vulnerable young ones from other countries and sometimes they throw their passports away and basically are just slaves who may be forced to have sex multiple times a day. That is truly cruel

 

I was referring the recent law -in another thread-that congress passed which allows them to target sites like backpage. Once states and police get these new powers, they will target anything. They have no consequences for false charges -that is why I don't like more and more laws-we already have enough laws.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/02/27/house-passes-anti-online-sex-trafficking-bill-allows-targeting-of-websites-like-backpage-com/

 

 

They can easily charge a client or escort with sex trafficking instead of solicitation or websites or anything they set their mind to. Police and the prosecutors have way too much power-they should be working for us, not creating a mass prison system to live off us and treat us like cattle.

Edited March 3, 2018 by Walker1

[Chidude]

I usually do...I’ve got other options for looking that sometimes are productive, I’ve got two military types lined up to buy them a beer and “see what happens” on my next trip

 

Care to share your other options for looking @MikeBiDude? Teach me, sensai!!

[+ quoththeraven]

I agree. We do need public advocacy groups. I cannot wait to retire from teaching.

There already are local sex worker advocacy groups that are loosely allied at the national level. It seems a bit peculiar to me to create additional organizations. Reminds me too much of non-disabled people (parents especially) dominating disability advocacy.