What diseases do you have?

[FTM Zachary Prince]

Even if someone IS tested regularly and very in touch with risk reduction, it provides a false sense of security to trust that they know their status. Unless you’re also planning to ask the highly-invasive and inappropriate question of how many people has he had sex with since he was last tested? I think in most cases for escorts, even if we tested negative for everything two weeks ago, we have had sex with other people since then. We’ve also typically had sex with people before the test wherein the incubation period was not completed before the test... hence the test results are not even necessarily accurate as of the time of testing. Some escorts may work only occasionally and both accept the invasion of privacy that the question poses and be able to provide a truthful and accurate answer. But the very best that most of us can do still falls quite short of being CERTAIN about our status at any given time. Especially for stuff that transmits more easily than HIV.

[tenderloin]

I think you are not getting my point. Back to the beginning. You are so irrationally scared that you are willing to invade other's privacy pointlessly.

 

What is this "invade privacy" bs? Invading an escort's privacy would be something like trying to find out his real name, where he went to high school, and where his parents live. An escort is a sex worker. Seeking to understand a sex worker's sex practices is NOT an invasion of privacy. Note: I didn't say "ask if he is HIV positive." I agree that an answer to that question is of limited value. I said one should ask if he insists on the use of a condom when getting fucked. Can someone explain to me why such a question is an invasion of privacy? If you are an escort and don't like that question, you are in the wrong line of work.

[LivingnLA]

Even if someone IS tested regularly and very in touch with risk reduction, it provides a false sense of security to trust that they know their status. Unless you’re also planning to ask the highly-invasive and inappropriate question of how many people has he had sex with since he was last tested? I think in most cases for escorts, even if we tested negative for everything two weeks ago, we have had sex with other people since then. We’ve also typically had sex with people before the test wherein the incubation period was not completed before the test... hence the test results are not even necessarily accurate as of the time of testing. Some escorts may work only occasionally and both accept the invasion of privacy that the question poses and be able to provide a truthful and accurate answer. But the very best that most of us can do still falls quite short of being CERTAIN about our status at any given time. Especially for stuff that transmits more easily than HIV.

 

Intelligent, thoughtful, and well said. The hallmarks of a professional. Thank you.

[+ José Soplanucas]

What is this "invade privacy" bs? Invading an escort's privacy would be something like trying to find out his real name, where he went to high school, and where his parents live. An escort is a sex worker. Seeking to understand a sex worker's sex practices is NOT an invasion of privacy. Note: I didn't say "ask if he is HIV positive." I agree that an answer to that question is of limited value. I said one should ask if he insists on the use of a condom when getting fucked. Can someone explain to me why such a question is an invasion of privacy? If you are an escort and don't like that question, you are in the wrong line of work.

 

You are indeed a good lawyer. I am obsessed exactly with the point you made about not asking + status.

 

I was wrong. Point conceded. My apologies to you and to @Quincy_7 if he meant it the way that you just articulated.

 

You should participate more often.

 

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[Quincy_7]

You are indeed a good lawyer. I am obsessed exactly with the point you made about not asking + status.

 

I was wrong. Point conceded. My apologies to you and to @Quincy_7 if he meant it the way that you just articulated.

 

You should participate more often.

 

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As I mentioned in my initial post in this thread, I ask escorts whether they engage in bareback sex with clients. This is a standard question to ask, especially if you're a prospective client interested in bareback. I never said anything about asking for their HIV status.

[tenderloin]

You are indeed a good lawyer. I am obsessed exactly with the point you made about not asking + status.

 

I was wrong. Point conceded. My apologies to you and to @Quincy_7 if he meant it the way that you just articulated.

 

You should participate more often.

 

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Thank you. I appreciate it when we can have an exchange of views on this forum that remains civil and thoughtful. Glad to be a part of it.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Thank you. I appreciate it when we can have an exchange of views on this forum that remains civil and thoughtful. Glad to be a part of it.

 

I cannot avoid listening to an ass eater sister. I also needed antibiotics recently.

[marylander1940]

1. People lie. All the time. Frequently to themselves.

2. Escorts are a high-risk demographic.

3. Men who have sex with men are a high-risk demographic.

4. There are treatment resistant strains of all known STDs / STIs.

5. There are already a handful of documented PrEP resistant cases in the wild.

5. Men, generally speaking, are frequently asymptomatic for many known STIs.

6. All known STI tests have false-negative and false-positive rates.

 

What does this all mean? Simple: the ONLY person you can truly know about, is yourself and only if you're open and honest with yourself. So, how do you protect yourself? If you're looking for total 100% protection, live in a protective suit and never touch another human being, though that will lead to serious mental health issues and likely physiological issues as well. More realistically...

 

A. Get tested for everything, at least once a year, and preferably 2-4 times a year or more depending on your volume and diversity of sexual partners. That includes throat and anal swabs for infection colony checks.

B. Get the vaccines that apply to you. Hep A/B, HPV (9-variant), and meningitis are generally accepted current recommendations for men who have sex with men in Southern California.

C. Educate yourself on proper condom and dental dam use AND consider PrEP for a more comprehensive defense. That also means recognizing the pros and cons of these defensive measures.

D. Learn what to look for and the symptoms of the major STIs so you're aware if you experience symptoms and also know what to look for with your sexual partners. Also recognize that for some STIs, a substantial majority of every sexually active human on Earth has at least one.

E. Never assume your sexual partner actually knows their status for anything unless they test regularly and are highly informed. In other words, I trust an HIV+ person who's undetectable or a person on PrEP who's tested at least quarterly far more than a married guy who maybe hasn't been tested in years, if ever, when they discuss their status. But recognize, that even a frequent tester may be asymptomatic and may not show up on tests because of incubation periods and how sexually active they might be. In other words, they could've been clean last month, had sex with someone last week, and are infectiously sharing this week and for the next week or two before they're tested again.

 

Lastly, and most importantly, please don't invasively interrogate escorts. It's good to learn their safety practices, but beyond that is rude. Take ownership of your own body and make your choices about the risks you wish to take as you live your life. Life contains risk. Every moment of every day. Learning your comfort level with various risks and how you address them are part of being a mature and engaged individual.

 

 

Thank you for bringing common sense!

 

One more thing: people lie when it comes to business and also to get laid.

[LivingnLA]

As I mentioned in my initial post in this thread, I ask escorts whether they engage in bareback sex with clients. This is a standard question to ask, especially if you're a prospective client interested in bareback. I never said anything about asking for their HIV status.

 

Good point. Though, keep in mind that knowing if they bareback or not isn't enough info because if they're reliably on PrEP, it's statistically superior to condom use for preventing the spread of HIV in men who have sex with men, though it obviously doesn't provide any protection against other STIs.

[Brad1212]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

[marylander1940]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

 

That's not safety, that's hypochondriac behavior.

[+ oldNbusted]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

 

I'm curious about too, but you might consider starting a new thread so as to get more responses...

[AndreFuture]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

Never, even for clients who emphatically ask for condoms. I find the discrepancy bizarre, but *shrugs*

[julius]

I've got Hashimodo's disease (and he's got mine).

[+ GregM]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

 

Client wise, never.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[liubit]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

As a client, I never use a condom for oral, and if an escort requires it or wants to wear one himself, it is a total deal-breaker.

[marylander1940]

Client wise, never.

 

Hugs,

Greg

 

There was one case I remember of a Canadian escort from Vancouver who gave head to a well-known poster while wearing a condom. after he got a negative review he said he HAD to do it because of the client wasn’t clean...

 

Some escorts after getting a bad review because of being not affectionate had claimed the client had bad breath. Some posters on here say they never buy that cheap shot...

[LivingnLA]

Unprotected oral sex is a vector for many STIs. The rates of infection and risk vary because some STIs are transmitted more easily than others. Further, some of those STIs can develop colonies in the throat, be fully asymptomatic, and not show up on blood/urine tests. That's why I mentioned throat swabs above. Lastly, there are treatment-resistant strains for many STIs and the preliminary data seems pretty clear that HPV is likely a major driver of the significant increase in oral & throat cancers in American men.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/cases.htm

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cancer-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-boys-mouth-throat-cervical-1.3812345

 

Despite all of that, as I said above, I strongly prefer sucking cock and being sucked without condoms. However, based on my gut and what I observe, I have insisted on condoms before or even stopped sexual activity if something feels wrong to me. It's all about your own personal comfort with risk and awareness of all the factors involved in your sexual activity.

Edited February 18, 2018 by LivingnLA

[VeryCurious]

This may seem redundant or obvious, but the OP is right to be offended because the question assumes a fact based on ignorance.

 

I find the robust question over how to cope with the likelihood of catching an STI curious. I’ve found the more I know about them the better I can protect myself.

[KyleS]

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

When the escort asked for condoms for oral, I was totally fine with it. It is absolutely the right thing to do, especially considering the high risk of this profession.

Well, actually I work in disease control...

[+ VictorPowers]

Gave oral using a condom yesterday. Latex isn't the best flavor. If it's their choice, by all means I'll respect it.

[Mocha]

Thanks for replies everyone! I posted, but then after I was so annoyed with the whole booking, that I didn't even want to talk about anymore. But I'm over it now. At the same time, considering I have experienced things over the years...but am now KNOWLEDGEABLE, I'm not ashamed of talking about diseases with people.

 

Whats scary is, beyond HIV...most gay guys seem to have not much clue on All the STDs, parasites and bugs and the how's and WHERE of getting them. So it is important to talk about it sometimes. But without shame and condemnation like a prick.

 

A Question for the escorts...how frequently do your clients use condoms for oral? It’s common sense, but does anyone do it?

 

You're talking Powerball odds there...but, as you know, there's always that 1 or 2 who win every few weeks. Likewise. There's always that 1 or 2 who wants to use a condom for oral...every few weeks

 

In my humble opinion, in 2017, if BBing is a deal breaker is a matter of ignorance and irrational fear. If you are concerned, just play safe with everyone. What your partner does with others is not your business.

 

I agree and disagree. Lot of ignorance and irrational fears out there. It's not their business, but there should be some sort of restraint and respect for the other partner. I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere, where someone said they avoided certain escorts after seeing their raunchy Grindr profiles or whatever.

 

In a case where it would do justice to somewhat be in someone's business, say a fuck buddy just got fucked by multiple guys raw, cum pumped and dumped and then an hour (or week) later, begs you to fuck him raw. That's just not integrity. All is needed is to offer the option to use a condom. Some people can die or become very sick from Gonorreah and chlamidia infection, especially if they don't have the access to health right away.

 

And I scold myself on these things too, because even though I have clients...I also have personal guys I meet. And it's hard to draw that line between "we're not exclusive so it's okay" versus being irresponsible and not respecting of each other's bodies.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Mocha

[Inkdnaija00]

I don't do cordial especially if I am spending huge money so I just ask when was his last hiv test or if he plays safe!

[VeryCurious]

Unfortunately we want to put innocent man 2 man sex into a little box and pretend that HIV is our only risk.

 

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.