ESCORTS WHO DON'T LIKE TO KISS

[+ StLouisOct]

There’s a 411 discussion in the Deli section about an escort who doesn’t kiss, at least on the first date. It evolved into a discussion about herpes and includes the comment that many escorts “have reservations about kissing.” I’ve been with only 13 guys through RM - all BFE sessions - and I’ve never experienced any reservations. Is my experience unusual? Have many of you teamed up with escorts, especially those providing a BFE experience, who are hesitant about kissing or refuse to engage in it? Maybe I should emphasize a kissing requirement when I arrange times.

[+ Keith30309]

Ask in advance about anything that is important to you.

 

There’s a gentleman who I was very interested in and, in the course of scheduling an appointment, I mentioned that kissing was important to me. He said something like “I will kiss but but not, like, the whole time.” That suggested to me that any kissing would be reluctant and I politely thanked him for his trouble.

 

Kissing seems like an integral part of anything that could be termed a BFE

[BluDay]

Kissing is one of my favorite activities. I've had a few escorts who don't care for it, and where they do not promise a BFE, it's a let down when the escort isn't into it. If you really want kissing to be part of the session, mention that during the before conversation. It's just like any other request you have to make the session enjoyable. Escorts are used to all sorts of requests. I've heard of men wanting them to be in workout gear, to have just come from the gym, or start off in a suit.

 

I agree that kissing is part of the BFE, but since there isn't an accepted definition of what the BFE actually is, it's best to include that is is part of what you are looking form.

[caliguy]

There’s a 411 discussion in the Deli section about an escort who doesn’t kiss, at least on the first date. It evolved into a discussion about herpes and includes the comment that many escorts “have reservations about kissing.” I’ve been with only 13 guys through RM - all BFE sessions - and I’ve never experienced any reservations. Is my experience unusual? Have many of you teamed up with escorts, especially those providing a BFE experience, who are hesitant about kissing or refuse to engage in it? Maybe I should emphasize a kissing requirement when I arrange times.

I've always thought of kissing as something that should happen organically rather then demanded. However, your desiring a BFE is a good idea. People will screen themselves out volunteerly.

[+ oldNbusted]

...there isn't an accepted definition of what the BFE actually is...

 

This is so true. There are guys who think the BFE is going out shopping, no intimacy at all.

[+ freecahill1965]

Agreed! In my early days, I use did not asked and I assumed. It was a big mistake. I go so far as to request "deep french kissing with tongue." This way my expectation is clear.

[+ BlueSky]

As I have a thing for str8 guys who are gay-for-pay, I've hired several escorts who don't kiss. With the right guy I can accept such a limit and still have a good time. But when I do connect with an escort who kisses it feels like--wow--what have I been missing.

[+ freecahill1965]

As I have a thing for str8 guys who are gay-for-pay, I've hired several escorts who don't kiss. With the right guy I can accept such a limit and still have a good time. But when I do connect with an escort who kisses it feels like--wow--what have I been missing.

The reaason why I never hire straight guys. The I am into kissing is usually not cheked. lol

[jawjateck]

An escort offering a BFE who refuses to kiss?.....hmmmmm.... I think that violates the law of non-contradiction. Ha!

[gallahadesquire]

An escort offering a BFE who refuses to kiss?.....hmmmmm.... I think that violates the law of non-contradiction. Ha!

 

to quote Ogden Nash, in his narration of Saint-Saens Carnival of the Animals:

"With mules, there are no rules."

[big-n-tall]

All but a small few of the guys I've met kiss. Of those who kiss, a small number of that group kissing isn't their fav activity, but they never refused kissing. Some are better kissers than others.

 

I don't think when someone declares themselves gay bi straight in an ad, it's a guarantee if they will kiss or won't. Some of the best kissers I met classified themselves as bi or straight. There were a few men who classified as gay who were weren't.

 

Now if a guy professes BFE and won't kiss, if kissing is your thing... move on.

Edited December 26, 2017 by big-n-tall

[liubit]

In my book, no kissing means no hiring. Period.

[+ freecahill1965]

In my book, no kissing means no hiring. Period.

DITTO!

[Chuckball]

I once was involved in a KIK site for bi guys. I was shocked to learn that very few were into kissing. For me, kissing is the best part of a m4m sexual encounter. All escorts I have hired have been excellent kissers deserving of return visits.

[+ BlueSky]

Some of the best kissers I met classified themselves as bi or straight.

 

+1 to this. Some str8 guys are amazing kissers and give an excellent BFE.

[LaffingBear]

Most of my hiring experience is 1995-2012. I never heard or read the term BFE in those years.

 

I love to kiss. I'd estimate 2/3 of the guys hired didnt kiss, including a few who reputedly kissed clients. Also kissed 1-2 who reputedly didn't kiss. Got compliments from several rentguys. And had to resist the urge to tell a few they were such lousy kissers, they should get lessons or stop.

 

My takeaways.... its organic, and even an advertised "I kiss" is no guarantee. And I personally dont put any faith in the term BFE. I wouldn't even wager $0.50 that if surveyed, there'd be clear consensus among hirers and hirees exactly what BFE means.

[+ freecahill1965]

Most of my hiring experience is 1995-2012. I never heard or read the term BFE in those years.

 

I love to kiss. I'd estimate 2/3 of the guys hired didnt kiss, including a few who reputedly kissed clients. Also kissed 1-2 who reputedly didn't kiss. Got compliments from several rentguys. And had to resist the urge to tell a few they were such lousy kissers, they should get lessons or stop.

 

My takeaways.... its organic, and even an advertised "I kiss" is no guarantee. And I personally dont put any faith in the term BFE. I wouldn't even wager $0.50 that if surveyed, there'd be clear consensus among hirers and hirees exactly what BFE means.

Agreed, this is why I am very specfic before the meeting though once in a great while that is not enough.

[+ sniper]

It's the hardest part to "fake" basically. I don't buy it as a herpes fear thing as herpes is spread skin to skin and can happen almo

I once was involved in a KIK site for bi guys. I was shocked to learn that very few were into kissing. For me, kissing is the best part of a m4m sexual encounter. All escorts I have hired have been excellent kissers deserving of return visits.

I think it has to do with how much in denial of their attraction the guys are...sucking a cock for many is viewed as a chore, but can be rationalized away as it's only being fair that if you want someone to suck you off, you return the favor, likewise with anal. Kissing is another matter.

[NowOrNever]

I was planning to meet Manuel DeBoxer while I was in Montreal. His rentmen profile indicates that he offers a BFE, but he made it clear from his first message that he absolutely will not kiss.

 

Bummer.

 

I crossed him off my wishlist.

[+ GregM]

My lips are wired to other parts of my body. I looooove to kiss. I've had clients who dont kiss and it really bummed me out.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[+ Gar1eth]

Most of my hiring experience is 1995-2012. I never heard or read the term BFE in those years.

 

 

 

My takeaways.... its organic, and even an advertised "I kiss" is no guarantee. And I personally dont put any faith in the term BFE. I wouldn't even wager $0.50 that if surveyed, there'd be clear consensus among hirers and hirees exactly what BFE means.

 

 

My hiring experience encompasses the years 2002 to 2015. I’m not sure about the abbreviation BFE. But I know the term was certainly there since 2012 and really even before. I’m pretty sure I used that kind of description whether I used the actual words or not when I described to an escort what I was looking for. And obviously there is no set definition of BFE. But there is also no real life Mr. Average. And yet if we speak about average or usual type of behavior, most people have an idea what it means. In like manner, if you say boyfriend experience, I’d think most people have a general gestalt of what it means to be a boyfriend. . Of course you’d always need to discuss specifics. Now whether the escort is actually willing to act like a boyfriend, even if they advertise it, is another point entirely.

 

The majority of my hires were fairly good kissers over the years. Since I usually hired for two hours or a weekend, they had more time to get to know me. So that probably helped (I hope). I also noticed that even if they were tentative or not so great at kissing to begin with, once we started and a bit of physical stimulation was thrown into the mix, they became a lot more passionate. There were several guys over the years that I really wanted to hire, but they indicated they weren’t into kissing, so I ended up refraining from hiring. There were also a few who said they were into kissing, and whether they weren’t really or weren’t into it with me specifically, I never hired again. A case of a guy I wanted to hire, but he said he didn’t like to kiss (I think he told me he didn’t even like to kiss with a boyfriend) was Jason Land

 

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A guy I ended up hiring whom I think I asked about kissing-or maybe I assumed he did-but in any case when we met said he only deep kissed his boyfriend was Tony Serrano. I never hired him again.

 

http://www.friskyfans.org/catphotos/models/TonySerrano/Tony-Serrano.jpg

 

Gman

Edited December 12, 2017 by Gar1eth

[+ Gar1eth]

It's the hardest part to "fake" basically. I don't buy it as a herpes fear thing as herpes is spread skin to skin and can happen almo

 

I think it has to do with how much in denial of their attraction the guys are...sucking a cock for many is viewed as a chore, but can be rationalized away as it's only being fair that if you want someone to suck you off, you return the favor, likewise with anal. Kissing is another matter.

 

I’m not much on performing oral. I’m glad most escorts performed on me even though I didn’t often perform oral on them.

 

For some it may be that kissing is too personal. I know I talked or read about escorts who said that was something special they reserved for their boyfriend.

 

Gman

[+ friendofsheila]

A case of a guy I wanted to hire, but he said he didn’t like to kiss (I think he told me he didn’t even like to kiss with a boyfriend) was Jason Land

 

 

 

Gman

 

This reminds me of my one phone call to Rex Chandler. He said he won't make out the whole time. "I won't even do that with my girlfriend!" he made sure to add.

[+ friendofsheila]

Is my experience unusual?

 

The only time I never got it was when I didn't want it from that particular provider (a few times), and when I wasn't expecting the massage to get "serious" and hadn't asked.

 

After a certain point, though, I found I had to get braver about asking for other things I wanted, so kissing was always on the list along with those other things.

[+ Just Sayin]

I was planning to meet Manuel DeBoxer while I was in Montreal. His rentmen profile indicates that he offers a BFE, but he made it clear from his first message that he absolutely will not kiss.

 

Bummer.

 

I crossed him off my wishlist.

 

@NowOrNever I am disappointed, and I don't blame you; he has been on my shortlist for another trip to Montreal; I think I'd need to know if Teddy Torres kisses!