Survey: 79% of legal prostitutes in The Netherlands want out

[BaronArtz]

https://esnoticia.co/noticia-8790-swedens-prostitution-solution-why-hasnt-anyone-tried-this-before

 

This article is about the Swedish approach to prostitution: criminalize the johns, support the hookers. It seems to be working rather well and is overwhelmingly supported by 80% of the Swedes.

 

I was more intrigued by research quoted in this article, showing that 79% of legal prostitutes in The Netherlands want out.

 

Male/female prostitution may have a different dynamics than male/male prostitution. This article and the research made me think though. Are we sufficiently aware of the potential abuse? Are we sufficiently aware of the societal backlash?

[Kevin Slater]

I wonder how that compares to data entry clerks.

 

Kevin Slater

[JayCeeKy]

legal prostitutes

 

Is this what we call "attorneys" in the United States?

[TruthBTold]

I think it is great that all those who wanted to leave a profession that they did not wish to be in (i.e., prostitution) were given the skills and training to be able to get satisfying jobs elsewhere. However, the article did not explain where these jobs came from or if the jobs themselves were provided by the government or if the government provided services to place them in "satisfying" jobs. It also did not explain that the economy would be able to support the influx in new workers. It did not state the numbers of those workers. Finally, while it is great that the government might make sex with prostitutes illegal, one wonders where some of those seeking sex who simply cannot find it any other way will find it. I am afraid that there may be a rise of "coerced" sex.

[+ nycman]

I wonder how that compares to data entry clerks.

 

Is this what we call "attorneys" in the United States?

 

Two of the funniest posts this year....and they're back to back.

 

LMAO!

[+ saminseattle]

If I ran a small business for myself, I don’t think I would find it very comforting if the government came to me and said, “Don’t worry, we’re not targeting you. We’re just going after all your customers.” Look, hurting my customers is going to hurt my business too, and it may well result in me having to seek out customers in ways that are more risky and dangerous to me.

 

Remember, if a transaction is voluntarily entered into, it is because all parties feel that the transaction makes them better off. That is why buyers and sellers choose to engage in trade of all kinds. The notion that you can hurt one side without hurting the other is foolishness. It reminds me of one of the many failed strategies associated with the drug war: focusing law enforcement efforts against sellers instead of buyers. Buyers are forced to go to greater lengths to obtain the product and new sellers who are harder to catch are lured into the market to meet demand. In the end, the drug war remains a failure and the collateral consequences are more devastating than any drug abuse deterred. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/business/in-rethinking-the-war-on-drugs-start-with-the-numbers.html

 

With respect to the article itself, I would direct people to the comments, which critique the validity of the questionable numbers claimed by government proponents of the policy and point to biases in the article. There is also this, from Emily Bazelon’s thoughtful and well-research piece in the NY Times Magazine last year:

 

"In 1999, at the urging of feminists, Sweden’s Parliament passed the Sex Purchase Act, making it a crime to buy sex. Prostitution itself had not been a crime, but the new law deemed it “a serious harm both to individuals and to society,” giving the legislation a moral underpinning and aiming to “flush the johns out of the Baltic,” as a media campaign declared. A decade later, Sweden announced a reduction in street prostitution by as much as 50 percent and proclaimed the law a success. Though no one had recorded data on street prostitution before the law passed, the claimed drop became the chief selling point for a system that punished men. Yet online advertising for sex increased in Sweden, leading researchers to conclude that the small market was shifting indoors. Norway and Iceland adopted the Swedish model in 2009… sex workers say that criminalizing male behavior pushes them to take greater risks. “Women who worked on the street used to have safe spots where they would tell the client to drive,” Jakobsson explains. “Now clients say no, because of the police. They want to go someplace else remote. How can the woman be safe there?” In December, a Bulgarian sex worker was found brutally murdered in a deserted parking lot at the harbor in Oslo." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/should-prostitution-be-a-crime.html

 

I don't mean to imply that cases of coercion and abuse are not a serious problem. I just don't think the "Nordic model" is the right way to deal with that problem.

[Mocha]

If I ran a small business for myself, I don’t think I would find it very comforting if the government came to me and said, “Don’t worry, we’re not targeting you. We’re just going after all your customers.” Look, hurting my customers is going to hurt my business too, and it may well result in me having to seek out customers in ways that are more risky and dangerous to me.

 

Remember, if a transaction is voluntarily entered into, it is because all parties feel that the transaction makes them better off. That is why buyers and sellers choose to engage in trade of all kinds. The notion that you can hurt one side without hurting the other is foolishness. It reminds me of one of the many failed strategies associated with the drug war: focusing law enforcement efforts against sellers instead of buyers. Buyers are forced to go to greater lengths to obtain the product and new sellers who are harder to catch are lured into the market to meet demand. In the end, the drug war remains a failure and the collateral consequences are more devastating than any drug abuse deterred. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/business/in-rethinking-the-war-on-drugs-start-with-the-numbers.html

 

With respect to the article itself, I would direct people to the comments, which critique the validity of the questionable numbers claimed by government proponents of the policy and point to biases in the article. There is also this, from Emily Bazelon’s thoughtful and well-research piece in the NY Times Magazine last year:

 

"In 1999, at the urging of feminists, Sweden’s Parliament passed the Sex Purchase Act, making it a crime to buy sex. Prostitution itself had not been a crime, but the new law deemed it “a serious harm both to individuals and to society,” giving the legislation a moral underpinning and aiming to “flush the johns out of the Baltic,” as a media campaign declared. A decade later, Sweden announced a reduction in street prostitution by as much as 50 percent and proclaimed the law a success. Though no one had recorded data on street prostitution before the law passed, the claimed drop became the chief selling point for a system that punished men. Yet online advertising for sex increased in Sweden, leading researchers to conclude that the small market was shifting indoors. Norway and Iceland adopted the Swedish model in 2009… sex workers say that criminalizing male behavior pushes them to take greater risks. “Women who worked on the street used to have safe spots where they would tell the client to drive,” Jakobsson explains. “Now clients say no, because of the police. They want to go someplace else remote. How can the woman be safe there?” In December, a Bulgarian sex worker was found brutally murdered in a deserted parking lot at the harbor in Oslo." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/should-prostitution-be-a-crime.html

 

I don't mean to imply that cases of coercion and abuse are not a serious problem. I just don't think the "Nordic model" is the right way to deal with that problem.

 

And that is a shame. I've always fantasizes to go escort in the Scandinavian countries because the White guys there go bananas over anyone who's got a days worth of tan, let alone a natural one. I didn't know those areas were so combative with the industry.

 

However, if it's anything like America then clearly it's moved online and indoors. But regardless I couldn't imagine how much of a irritant it could be trying to get clients, and have every one ask if you're a cop. And then flake.

[marylander1940]

https://esnoticia.co/noticia-8790-swedens-prostitution-solution-why-hasnt-anyone-tried-this-before

 

This article is about the Swedish approach to prostitution: criminalize the johns, support the hookers. It seems to be working rather well and is overwhelmingly supported by 80% of the Swedes.

 

I was more intrigued by research quoted in this article, showing that 79% of legal prostitutes in The Netherlands want out.

 

Male/female prostitution may have a different dynamics than male/male prostitution. This article and the research made me think though. Are we sufficiently aware of the potential abuse? Are we sufficiently aware of the societal backlash?

 

Interesting subject but I think the real question is if they do it because they have no other choice of making that kind of income, and I'm just assuming their income is relatively high.

[marylander1940]

Is this what we call "attorneys" in the United States?

 

you should post this on Friday Funnies...

[+ Tygerscent]

Well written Sam~

Recent articles of interest: (one very current and the other an older article).

 

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58c83be1e4b01d0d473bce8a/amp

 

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/legal-prostitution-reduce-rape-holland

 

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