EXcellent response to a cheap tipper at a restaurant

[dick_nyc]

I found this on the website Belgravia Dispatch in a comment on tipping and waiters:

 

Re:the problem of tipping, I was recently told the story of a cheap diner who left far less than was appropriate. The waiter returned with change and a condom. "What's this for," the man asked. The waiter replied, "We don't want you to reproduce."

Posted by the opinionated pawn at February 2, 2005 04:27 AM | PERMALINK

[noviceny]

I thought the punchline was gonna be, "Next time you fuck me I would prefer that you use a condom "

[Guest zipperzone]

>Re:the problem of tipping, I was recently told the story of a

>cheap diner who left far less than was appropriate. The waiter

>returned with change and a condom. "What's this for," the man

>asked. The waiter replied, "We don't want you to reproduce."

>Posted by the opinionated pawn at February 2, 2005 04:27 AM |

>PERMALINK

 

Some waiters refuse to accept the fact that a poor tip is sometimes not the sign of a cheap diner but is caused by him receiving less than satisfactory service.

 

If I feel the service I receive in a restaurant is lacking, I will usually reduce the amount of my tip. And to ensure there is no bitching to the other staff and or manager, by my waiter, I always write across the bill "Poor Service/Poor Tip.

 

Tips are to be earned - they are not automatic.

[HotdadENYC]

Zipper, I agree with EVERYTHING you said. Having been a delivery boy for most of my younger years, I understand how much tips mean to me. But I also agree that they are earned and should not be expected.

 

I always tip (at least 20%) for services well rendered. I DO NOT tip as well for services which are not as advertised.

 

Question is.....do you tip your escorts? and if so, how much and under what circumstances?

 

And, are you as turned off as I am by those escorts (or masseurs) who blatantly state, either in their ads or on the phone, that tips are not expected, but welcome?

 

I find that kind of discussion a bit insulting, but then again, that's just me.

 

Looking to see how others feel about this.

 

hd NYC *82

[+ deej]

Tipping in restaurants is a really weird thing.

 

I tend to tip well for really good service, but I've also been known to leave pocket change at the bottom of the water glass for genuinely bad service.

 

I've been told by waiters that the non-smoking section (in areas where they still have smoking sections) tip better while the smoking sections generally stay at the table longer for a smaller tip. So the tables "turn" slower AND they don't tip as well. Anecdotal, for sure, but they swear it's true.

 

For a good waiter, though, this condom thing is AWESOME for a chronic bad tipper.

[noviceny]

Hot Dad,

 

I think I might have tipped an escort once, but that was cause I didnt have change :-)

 

I dont know...I never felt that anyone that Id been with went beyong anything normal, so I figure the fee is enough. I woulkd definitely tip if the guy did something, or made me feel, special.

 

 

My favorite comment was from a guy who was a no show anyway who said, "My fee is $250 and if you want you can give me some money for gas and tolls and tip." That was weird.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Expectations

 

>

>Some waiters refuse to accept the fact that a poor tip is

>sometimes not the sign of a cheap diner but is caused by him

>receiving less than satisfactory service.

 

There are any number of reasons why service could be "bad." Are we talking bringing you the wrong order, forgetting the promised beverage, not refilling your coffee, etc.? Or is this a matter of not taking your order, the order taking too long, the food being cold, etc.

 

The reason I ask is that, having been a waiter, and being in what is essentially a service industry, I am very concious of how much hard work can be involved. Some dining establishments now require the waiters to do a great deal of what they call "side work" - which can include refilling ketchup bottles, setting tables, etc., in short any number of activities which are now, at all, about food service. In spite of requiring such work (which can include manual labor like walking up and down a flight of stairs with a large five gallon bucket of ice to refill an ice machine), nearly every restaurant you can patronize takes advantage of the fact that they can pay their employees a sub-minimum wage, on the basis that the short fall is made up in tips.

 

If the establishment was not crowded and the waiter was sitting around talking with other staff or customers (something which I observed once at a place I frequently eat breakfast at) and the waiter saw me sit down but still took his time to come over to offer me a drink and a menu, or to take my order, I would consider this poor service. There are certain things I always order at breakfast: a glass of water without any ice and non-fat milk. I go there often enough that the staff remembers it. One particular waiter appears to have a problem doing so and he is also the one who often does things like take his time to come to my table. I tip him, although usually the bare minimum, and I know he now has come to realize that I often sit in the sections of other servers and I usually get good service from all of them and always tip them well. He finally came up to me once, when there was no one else around, and asked me what I had "against" him. I looked up at him and told him I could ask him the same question and explained myself.

 

After this, I always get proper service and he always gets a proper tip.

 

 

>If I feel the service I receive in a restaurant is lacking, I

>will usually reduce the amount of my tip. And to ensure there

>is no bitching to the other staff and or manager, by my

>waiter, I always write across the bill "Poor Service/Poor

>Tip.

>

>Tips are to be earned - they are not automatic.

 

Unfortunately, if the owners are going to take advantage of federal laws which allows them to underpay an entire class of employees - waiters, then withholding tips should only be done when it is fully clear that the waiter is truly at fault - not the kitchen, not understaffing by the management, or any other reason which is outside the control of the server.

 

 

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[HotdadENYC]

Cool response, novice.

 

For the escort that you did tip, was the extra money for tips, tolls and gas to some exotic place?

 

OR, was he just driving YOU home, with a nice big dick?

 

 

I also think that a fee ($150-$250 an hour) is quite enough. If my dick sings a chorus during our session, I might consider something extra. But I'd rather use the extra money for "voice training."

 

 

hd NYC *82

[Guest zipperzone]

RE: Expectations

 

>There are any number of reasons why service could be "bad."

>Are we talking bringing you the wrong order, forgetting the

>promised beverage, not refilling your coffee, etc.? Or is this

>a matter of not taking your order, the order taking too long,

>the food being cold, etc.

 

>Unfortunately, if the owners are going to take advantage of

>federal laws which allows them to underpay an entire class of

>employees - waiters, then withholding tips should only be done

>when it is fully clear that the waiter is truly at fault - not

>the kitchen, not understaffing by the management, or any other

>reason which is outside the control of the server.

 

Trust me on this - I know the differance between poor service by a waiter and an unsatisfactory dining experience caused by factors beyond the waiters control. It's a no brainer!

[+ Charlie]

RE: Expectations

 

Although it's true that one can often tell if the waiter is doing a poor job, in a large, busy restaurant it is not always clear whether slow service is the fault of the waiter, the kitchen, or bad management. Another problem is raised when tips are shared among several service people, and the quality of service is uneven--does one penalize a hard-working busboy and one good waiter when the others are not doing a good job? I generally tip a standard amount unless there is only one service person and he/she does a noticeably poor job.

[joel304]

RE: Expectations

 

I tip appropriately. 20% down based solely on the servers performance.

 

I do pose a question though. Why do African Americans regularly not tip. Professional athletes, business professionals and gangsters alike? This is not racist, but fact based upon my previous serving experience from lower end to fine dining establishments.

 

In Arizona, while attending law school, I worked at a five star resort. When I posed this question to my ultra liberal, save the earth co-worker, I was greeted with disdain and shock. I turned to Rudy, my African American fellow server and asked, "who are the worst tippers," he quickly replied with "black people."

 

I would appreciate any reflections. Also, why are they so loud in movie theatres, streets, and buses (lol).

 

P.S. Bill Cosby, Patrick Ewing, Deion Sanders, Shannon Sharpe, and Emmitt Smith, all belong to this category.

[GrandeurLA]

RE: Expectations

 

I agree with you. If restaurants were to raise their prices to pay waiters and other service workers a living wage maybe service would increase and a tip could simply be a token of excellence.

 

I've been associated with 5 star/diamond hotels and quick casual service restaurant chains in line positions and management. They all take advantage of employees in one way or another.

 

Unless you have experience in the biz i feel it is impossible for the general public to make service observations. I think every American should work a month as a waiter, dishwasher, shoe shine, and janitor.

 

OH, and for all you folks who run your service people around and don't tip or put it in the glasses or half eaten food.... Don't go back! If I go out with a group and somebody starts bitching before food comes I leave. ;-)

[noviceny]

HotDad,

 

>For the escort that you did tip, was the extra money for tips, tolls and gas to some exotic place?

 

OR, was he just driving YOU home, with a nice big dick?<

 

Nope, no big dick driving me home...my sessions are almost always exclusively non-fuck and non-suck.

 

Ya know, the best guy that I ever went to (this guy Rick in NJ...not available anymore) I never gave a tip too. I just realized why I never gave a tip to an escort...almost every time I can remember (but not every time), I have spent a good deal of time listening to the escort talk about their life, problems, etc. I am really happy to listen and offer whatever support I can...this has been my job and my pleasure for most of my life. However, I also realize that I am paying someone $200 an hour NOT to listen to their stuff. However, this is totally my fault cause I have never tried to stop it, and probably invite it with my personality.

 

The one time that I listened to an escort and provided (in my opinion) some excellent advice, the escort did something that he says he's done when he has a particularly good session (I think that meant that the client is good/kind/whatever). He gave me back $50 of a $250 payment.

I am not the only one he did that with, but I was flattered.

[noviceny]

RE: Expectations

 

Hey Joel,

 

>I would appreciate any reflections. Also, why are they so loud in movie theatres, streets, and buses (lol).<

 

I know that you are just kidding about this part but I have lived and worked in disenfranchised ethnic non-majority communities (hows that for PC !@!!) and have seen this pattern :

 

1) People from urban areas tend to be louder than people from the suburbs. This may be a function of the amount of noise that is in the city, as opposed to the suburbs.

 

2) I have found that many adults, no matter what race/ethnicity/etc., are usually more quiet than the youth. Kids and adolescents are fucken loud !!! Fucken kids :-)

 

3)Bill Cosby, Patrick Ewing, Deion Sanders, Shannon Sharpe, and Emmitt Smith, all belong to this category. (poor tippers) - I have noticed that the best tippers seem to be those who have been waiters themselves. I may be wrong about this but I notice an awful lot of white people as waiters. The previously listed black people may not have had the experience and thus not be as aware.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Question is.....do you tip your escorts? and if so, how much

>and under what circumstances?

 

No - quite frankly I don't.

 

I think that if one is earning $250 per hour, he is being adequately compensated for his services.

 

And unlike a business establishment, an escort has virtually no overhead. If he takes in-calls, he can't consider his rent as overhead as he would have to pay it regardless of how he earns his living. And if he has to drive to your house, his car expenses are no different that if he had to drive to work at IBM.

[Guest zipperzone]

The biggest problem I have with the whole system of tipping is as follows.

 

Say I go into an upscale restaurant and order the steak and lobster

platter, or one of the other more expensive dishes on the menu.

 

The price for this is probably about $35 - so if I want to tip 20%, my waiter would get aq $7.00 tip.

 

However, if I'm not too hungry and perhaps decide that a chicken salad would do the trick, the cost would be about $15. Once again at 20% the tip would be $3.00.

 

Quite a differance eh? But...... in both instances, the waiter only had to bring one dish from the kitchen. Show me where is the equity in this.

 

I believe that a more logical way to tip, rather than on a percentage basis, is XX$ per person served.

 

If I go to a low-end family type restaurant where the meal is not elaborate I feel that $3. per person served is adequate.

 

And if it is a high-end dinner, with multiple courses and wine etc then I tend to give about $10 per person served.

 

I refuse to be held to an arbitrary scale that depends on how expensive my taste is at that particular meal.

[noviceny]

If Im in a diner and just getting coffee, I will tip a few dollars, even if the tip is more than the coffee. <My attitude is that If I have it to give, what is a few dollars one way or another ? A few more dollars can make someone's day with a tip and its not gonna make or break me.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Money Is The Root, Part Duex

 

>If Im in a diner and just getting coffee, I will tip a few

>dollars, even if the tip is more than the coffee. <My

>attitude is that If I have it to give, what is a few dollars

>one way or another ? A few more dollars can make someone's

>day with a tip and its not gonna make or break me.

 

Zipperzone, I meant no implication that you might not know the difference, only that many voice most of the complaints registered here and I wished to point out that (a) waiters are notoriously underpaid and (b) there are any number of reasons a patron might experience a poor dining situation, many of which might not be the responsibility of the server.

 

Frankly, this is a situation where I think the fact that employees are often treated as the most disposable and least crucial aspect of the equation is more visible and apparent. Yes, of course, food is a larger reason why we eat out, but if food were the only criteria, we might simply order take out. The environment, which is largely focused by the service, is a crucial part of what dining out is all about.

 

If I ever get to open my own establishment, I would make sure the servers were good and would also make sure they were paid well, and this would include the subsidiary staff, like the line cooks, busboys, etc.

 

 

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[Boston Guy]

Or you could just go to http://www.bitterwaitress.com and add them to the Shitty Tipper Database.

 

You should see who's on that list. :-)

 

BG

[SoCal]

As a restaurant(s) owner and operator - if that waitperson's actions had been reported to me - they would have most likely lost their job. Most probably, it would NOT have been the first complaint about that waitperson. Sorry, but those of us who have been successful in this biz 30-35+ years still say "the customer is always right", even when they're not!

[Swiss Lumber]

RE: Expectations

 

I was in Nashville one time and met this travelling banker in his early 40's at the hotel lobby. After some drinks at the bar, we both agreed to explore ourselves further in his hotel room. It was a marathon sex and one of the best I ever have. When I left the following day, he handed me an envelope with $1,000 inside. It was a real surprise for someone like me who is not an escort. He noticed that too but insisted that I should take it. I humored him by saying that if ever I charged for the sex last night, I should be worth more than $1,000. We kissed and have another sex before I left- but only after he shelled out another $1,000 for me.

 

Now, should I have asked for a tip?

[Guest zipperzone]

Just an afterthought.......

 

I used to see an escort in Vancouver who also worked as a waiter in one of the restaurants in our gay ghetto area.

 

He was adament that the size of his tips were in direct response to how snuggly his pants fit around his evere-so-cute butt. Needless to say, he did not wear baggy jeans to work!

[Boston Guy]

And did his first name begin with G? :-)

 

BG

[noviceny]

RE: Expectations

 

Swiss Lumber,

 

You are my fucken idol!!!!! Great story man !!

[mattgunther]

I agree. When I go to an inexpensive restaurant I will often tip 30% or more. If the service is prompt and the staff friendly I don't think its fair to leave a $2 tip even if I only spent $10. However, if I spend $250 on a meal I expect superb service before I leave a $40 (15%) tip. If the service is in any way lacking I will leave less. And I certainly will not leave more than $40 when for a simple meal for 2 people of appetizer, main course and desert.

 

If I'm dining alone I will also leave more if I have a hot waiter who is especially nice or who flirts with me. I once left one such waiter a 100% tip. I greatly enjoyed my meal thanks to him and it was entirely worth it.