Pre-approval Requirements Too Rigorous for Me

[TopTierTop]

You're the first one I've ever seen be so open about it. I'm sure you've ruffled quite a few feathers. Anyone that complains though is an automatic hypocrite since we all discriminate on those values and many here much more stricter.

Yes. I never did quite understand the logic of someone who says "I am paying, so it shouldn't matter what I look like." As if they can choose what to do with their money and with whom, but I can't choose what to do with my body and with whom. I am sure they don't think of it this way, but it is actually very disrespectful.

[BgMstr4u]

I have no objection to this guy's rules. It's his right to set up any conditions he wants. I respect an escort who sets his boundaries clearly, no matter what they are. But these rule me out. The last thing I want in an escort is judgment. I have enough rejection in my life as it is. I'll be darned if I'll send my data into the ether for some twink who is filtering for requirements he isn't naming. And sending a nonrefundable deposit sight unseen? Absolutely not. Good luck, guy, and bye bye!

[caliguy]

Yes. I never did quite understand the logic of someone who says "I am paying, so it shouldn't matter what I look like." As if they can choose what to do with their money and with whom, but I can't choose what to do with my body and with whom. I am sure they don't think of it this way, but it is actually very disrespectful.

Yes it's the pots calling the kettle black syndrome. You absolutely have the right to set your own rules as long as you're upfront about it. I don't understand anyone getting their panties in a twist over that. I mean isn't this what we all want. To find the guys we have good chemistry with?

[josh282282]

I am sure they don't think of it this way, but it is actually very disrespectful.

 

Well, one way I think of it, and frankly, I don't think I am alone in this, is you sound very ageist. Which is very distasteful. Even more so on where on a site like this in which many guys frequent who you reject outright due only to their advanced age without even meeting them.

 

It's amazing how clueless you are of how crass and insensitive you sound. It's not very becoming.

 

The reality is you will someday know exactly how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. Just ask a few of the amazing, fun, witty, & attractive guys in their 70s on this site.

[TopTierTop]

Well, one way I think of it, and frankly, I don't think I am alone in this, is you sound very ageist. Which is very distasteful. Even more so on where on a site like in which many guys frequent who you reject outright due only to their advanced age without even meeting them.

 

It's amazing how clueless you are of how crass and insensitive you sound. It's not very becoming.

 

The reality is you will someday know exactly how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. Just ask a few of the amazing, fun, witty, & attractive guys in their 70s on this site.

I respectfully disagree with your conclusions. I think you have a false interpreation of what I have been saying. But I appreciate your willingness to share your viewpoint. It's helpful to be reminded to continue to do my best try to create as few negative impressions as possible, while realizing I willl never satisfy everyone.

[caliguy]

Well, one way I think of it, and frankly, I don't think I am alone in this, is you sound very ageist. Which is very distasteful.

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There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with his business practices. We all discriminate on something here and that includes see age discrimination I see here many times. I guess you were fine with that as long as it worked only one way. That or maybe I missed your other lectures on here.

[mike carey]

(Ed: This is about TTT, not the initial subject of this thread)

 

I have been surprised and gratified by these threads. Normally we have censorious discussions about escorts who have the temerity to set out their preferences on the clients they want to meet. The usual context is that the escort is anonymous or only graces the thread with his presence to give us a collective middle finger. These threads have been different from both perspectives. Rico has engaged in the converstions, calmly explaining his reasons, that he wants to be sure that he will be at his best for the client and that he has a fair idea of the types of clients with whom he can do that. Uncharacteristically, the response to him has been broadly supportive, with most commenters, even those outside his range, accepting his right to advertise as he does. Of note, he softened the tone of his ad after his initial conversations in here. He has also indicated that he is prepared to meet people face-to-face to see what the chemistry is like. I have no problems with people who don't like to have an escort exclude them, but I don't think we need the forum to be a safe place from hearing about such exclusion. Rico is saying what he doesn't think will work, he's not saying, 'Fuck off, grand-dad!' I think we are past needing trigger warnings on threads or on escort ads.

 

I for one would be happy to chat with Rico if we were both at the forum luncheon, or to meet him for coffee or a meal, because he comes across as a mature and thoughtful man, and I would do that as an end in itself, not as an audition.

[+ goosh69]

No, but seriously guys. All this moralistic debate aside - this guy is fugly as duck, right?

[MikeyGMin]

No, but seriously guys. All this moralistic debate aside - this guy is fugly as duck, right?

 

Uh...no. If you're talking about TTT. (Who knows about the CountryBoy,) TTT has some classic Latino features that many of us find very very attractive. And that shower picture makes me drool everytime I look at it.

[jjkrkwood]

No, but seriously guys. All this moralistic debate aside - this guy is fugly as duck, right?

 

Attractiveness comes in many shapes, sizes and colors, but Douche Baggery is one-note and inexcusable. Even if the guy was a GOD, a douchey attitude makes him swipe "left"....

[+ goosh69]

Uh...no. If you're talking about TTT. (Who knows about the CountryBoy,) TTT has some classic Latino features that many of us find you very attractive. And that shower picture makes me drool everytime I look at it.

 

I'm talking about the masked guy in question.

[MikeyGMin]

I'm talking about the masked guy in question.

 

Anyone actually seen his face?

[+ goosh69]

Anyone actually seen his face?

I've seen enough.

[likembbbig]

Yes. I never did quite understand the logic of someone who says "I am paying, so it shouldn't matter what I look like." As if they can choose what to do with their money and with whom, but I can't choose what to do with my body and with whom. I am sure they don't think of it this way, but it is actually very disrespectful.

The only "someone" who is saying that is you. No one expects you to do anything with anyone. Its your imagination that's disrespecting you.

[caliguy]

No one expects you to do anything with anyone.

Apparently some do because his rules sure are ruffling some feathers.

[BabyBoomer]

Apparently some do because his rules sure are ruffling some feathers.

 

It's all part of his marketing strategy.

 

~ Boomer ~

[+ glennnn]

I don't mind a "70+ guys need not ask for intimacy" vibe in an escort's ad. It saves me the time of reading further and shortens my search. I would rather that than waste my time and money on a guy who is going to have to metaphorically hold his nose in order to touch me. There are far too many wonderful escorts on this forum who are welcoming and talented to get upset about a few who have a target clientele that excludes me. I may be naïve, but I chose to believe that the escorts who accept my custom actually enjoy their time with me. Why would I want to be with one who didn't?

[+ José Soplanucas]

I'm with Rico. The only reason I'm not trying to hire him is that he is a top. It is his business model and it seems to work for him, if it does not work for you, just move on to the next.

I was curious because indeed it is not the usual business model, but in this conversation I think he has thoroughly answered my questions. I do not find him discriminatory, just more open and honest than usual.

[down_to_business]

We have jumped around and addressed so much important stuff here I don't know if its possible to stay on topic because I am not exactly sure what the topic exactly is anymore.

 

On respect - that word gets thrown out a whole lot around here, but so often it seems to be one sided.. you will respect me and my customs but I won't respect you in return. Both clients and escorts seem very guilty of this. It is also very hard to get to a place of respect when we start from a place of mistrust, apprehension, and even a touch of hostility sometimes. This client is a timewaster... this escort is a flake... I am still hoping to find that escort who will allow me to respect him and show that same respect back to me. It's not near as easy as you think to find.

 

On setting requirements. Having selective criteria. Preferences. Prejudices. This topic is a minefield. In the legal sense, if escorting is truly a business endeavor, then no, you have no right to discriminate against anyone under the laws of the jurisdiction you provide your legal escorting services under. In most cases, this would cover age, sex, race, national origin. In a few areas it might cover sexual orientation and/or gender identification. Likely no where would it cover, weight, height, perceived attractiveness. No where would it say you would have to sleep with anyone (except maybe in one or two counties of Nevada-- but I am not up on the statutes) nor could it as sex for money is not what any of you are selling but instead companionship, right?

You are the bakery being forced to make that gay wedding cake.

 

Now as to one of the main reasons I started hiring escorts was that I didn't like dealing with rejection. I am also one of the first to admit I could never be an escort. But when you start to make applications and rejection part of the hiring experience like with this unreasonable escort with his hidden face and deposit and application requirement, or even TTT's reasonable requirements, then you remove the need for me to use escorts in the first place. If I need to jump through the hoops, open myself to rejection and go through all that... no thanks.. I will keep my cash and date or hook-up in the real world!

[nynakedtop]

I wonder why I haven't seen any input yet from the escorts over 60 crowd or the clients who hire them. Maybe there aren't any because nobody will hire them? Tisk, tisk! Ageists! Haha!

hmmm... crossing the line here, man!

[TopTierTop]

hmmm... crossing the line here, man!

Hmmm... perhaps. To me it is just humor. But I'm sure you see the logic, and agree that NOBODY should be trying to dictate to or criticize ANYONE because of who they want to hire or provide services to. But I understand that everyone can have a nerve struck and feel the need to strike out in response. Just because I don't agree with their sentiments, doesn't mean I don't understand emotion getting the better of people. My business depends on there being enough clients interested in hiring me, so I am very reluctant to change what is working. My only priority is continuing to have clients who will be completely satisfied with their choice to hire me. That is my focus. And that will never change.

[pubic_assistance]

wow....the immaturity on this thread is disturbing. What about the fact that a business practitioner can set the rules for his business. This is another round of the gay cake story, where you all want to DEMAND that the Evangelical Christian bake you a gay wedding cake, ( while fooling yourself into believing they didn't piss in the frosting for forcing them to do something they don't want to do). On this same line of logic, I should be able to contact TTT and DEMAND that he BOTTOM for me ( which would be magical b.t.w.) ...but guess what ?... His add clearly states TOP. Just because you have cash in hand, it does not give you super powers over other people's lives. You all should just be happy that here ARE SOME service providers around, who will give you a pass on the fact that you're older, and out of shape, and are willing to give you the opportunity to have that b.f. you always wanted, even if it's just for an hour or an evening. Without escorts, you'd be home spanking that monkey for the rest of your life. Let's see a little appreciation for the guys who have minimal standards, instead of condemning those who don't.

[+ glennnn]

Seriously, how far does one go with attempts at absolute equality of opportunity? Should a Chinese restaurant be forced to serve me a hamburger? Is it discriminatory for the local and only car rental company to refuse to rent out Jeeps? Should every escort be required to offer BDSM services? Can I have a choice in what child to adopt? I don't know.

 

We all discriminate every day in thousands of tiny and huge choices. Is it not the choice itself, but the reason for the choice that is the danger? Is any business or ethical model okay as long as it is applied evenly to all? I'm a good guy (I think), but I'm getting confused. Remember Seinfeld's, "No Soup for you!"?

[+ glennnn]

wow....the immaturity on this thread is disturbing. What about the fact that a business practitioner can set the rules for his business. This is another round of the gay cake story, where you all want to DEMAND that the Evangelical Christian bake you a gay wedding cake, ( while fooling yourself into believing they didn't piss in the frosting for forcing them to do something they don't want to do). On this same line of logic, I should be able to contact TTT and DEMAND that he BOTTOM for me ( which would be magical b.t.w.) ...but guess what ?... His add clearly states TOP. Just because you have cash in hand, it does not give you super powers over other people's lives. You all should just be happy that here ARE SOME service providers around, who will give you a pass on the fact that you're older, and out of shape, and are willing to give you the opportunity to have that b.f. you always wanted, even if it's just for an hour or an evening. Without escorts, you'd be home spanking that monkey for the rest of your life. Let's see a little appreciation for the guys who have minimal standards, instead of condemning those who don't.

 

Whoa! Reread the thread, dude, before you call it "immature". There are plenty of posts that make the exact same points you just did without the negative, scolding attitude. Remember "respect"?

[pubic_assistance]

Whoa! Reread the thread, dude, before you call it "immature". There are plenty of posts that make the exact same points you just did without the negative, scolding attitude. Remember "respect"?

If I hadn't read the conversation thread, I wouldn't be responding. Perhaps glennnn should stop reading things into people's commentary, that aren't being said. Unless you have very limited skills in reading comprehension, in no way does my statement infer that EVERYONE on the thread is immature. If you have a reasonable command of the English language...the statement "The immaturity on this thread", is in direct reference to THAT: Immature attitude. NOT everyone's comments on the thread.