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maninsoma Grand Master

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Of course there are "rules."

 

If you're defining the term as 'precepts that apply to all people at all times in all circumstances,' then no. But that would be a problematic definition. The rules may vary from venue to venue, provider to provider but they exist within those venues and amongst those providers even if not reduced to writing. Just because some choose not to acknowledge or follow them doesn't mean they don't exist. Generally speaking, I'd characterize them as flowing from respect for boundaries and rates.

 

For instance, Burke Williams has rules. Although there are exceptions and perhaps some guys in this thread alone have gotten their full service swerve on at a BW location, a masseur who does so is jeopardizing his job and the member his membership in the process. Even The Zone sex club here in L.A. (not to mention other such places I've either heard of or been to) has rules--violate them and you can be ejected and banned.

 

Closer to what we're discussing here regarding the "private sector," many providers have rules regarding what they do (and don't do) and for what rate. I think, speaking as both an escort and client, it's important to respect those "rules." IMO it's a form of disrespect to cite a full service experience one received from a different provider as a supposed rationale for why a provider who is declining to do the same with you should change his mind/practices/rates.

 

I haven't seen anyone suggest that just because masseur X had full-on sex with client Y that client Y then expected any other masseur to do the same thing. This is simply a discussion where some clients have described situations where, for whatever reason, the masseurs have ended up having sex with them. It almost sounds like you are trying to argue that that should never happen, and I get your point if you're talking about masseurs who work in a spa or other business where there are rules. But guys advertising erotic massages and then performing them in their own apartments or in their clients' apartments? The only "rules" about what that massage will entail are those of that specific masseur and that specific client.

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Of course there are "rules."

 

If you're defining the term as 'precepts that apply to all people at all times in all circumstances,' then no. But that would be a problematic definition. The rules may vary from venue to venue, provider to provider but they exist within those venues and amongst those providers even if not reduced to writing. Just because some choose not to acknowledge or follow them doesn't mean they don't exist. Generally speaking, I'd characterize them as flowing from respect for boundaries and rates.

 

For instance, Burke Williams has rules. Although there are exceptions and perhaps some guys in this thread alone have gotten their full service swerve on at a BW location, a masseur who does so is jeopardizing his job and the member his membership in the process. Even The Zone sex club here in L.A. (not to mention other such places I've either heard of or been to) has rules--violate them and you can be ejected and banned.

 

Closer to what we're discussing here regarding the "private sector," many providers have rules regarding what they do (and don't do) and for what rate. I think, speaking as both an escort and client, it's important to respect those "rules." IMO it's a form of disrespect to cite a full service experience one received from a different provider as a supposed rationale for why a provider who is declining to do the same with you should change his mind/practices/rates.

 

 

Of course these are YOUR rules, and you are entitled to have them respected. Nobody has suggested you "should change yr mind/practices/rates".

You have mentioned an event, I mentioned my perception of that event, and that's it.

What works for me doesn't work for you and viceversa. What works for some doesn't work for others.

You find absurd that a client mentions that it has happened that a masseur would offer a full service for a $120 massage because he feels like doing it, I find absurd that a masseur offers a massage with only oral to him for $300.

There are masseurs who don't jeopardize their jobs doing what you don't do because they keep being successful at what they do.

 

That's life and that's my "there are no rules" in this case.

 

You are a smart guy, obviously hot, handsome and I assume successful in what you do, keep on.

Peace.

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I haven't seen anyone suggest that just because masseur X had full-on sex with client Y that client Y then expected any other masseur to do the same thing.

 

Regardless of his statements to the contrary (methinks he doth protest too much), this is precisely what a certain participant herein is suggesting based upon past (negative) experience with that individual. He's come into this thread to "re-litigate" the incident. He knows precisely who he is. Thankfully, the site has "Ignore" functionality.

 

The only "rules" about what that massage will entail are those of that specific masseur and that specific client.

 

Agreed. (This is the point of the last paragraph of my last post. And this is exactly where the disrespect I also mention in that post became an issue with the prospective client.)

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IMO it's a form of disrespect to cite a full service experience one received from a different provider as a supposed rationale for why a provider who is declining to do the same with you should change his mind/practices/rates.

 

Maybe it's better seen as a negotiating tactic. That way, it allows you not to take it personally.

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Regardless of his statements to the contrary (methinks he doth protest too much), this is precisely what a certain participant herein is suggesting based upon past (negative) experience with that individual. He's come into this thread to "re-litigate" the incident. He knows precisely who he is.

 

Maybe it's time to take it outside.

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Maybe it's better seen as a negotiating tactic. That way, it allows you not to take it personally.

 

LOL. Naw, counselor, I think you're giving far too much credit for purported strategy where it's not due. (And I think a speculation objection is warranted. Or are you having "ex parte" communications?) :)

 

I would opine that it's more about titillation over this whole "scene" in general. And, in this specific case, being cheap.

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Rudynate Grand Master

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LOL. Naw, counselor, I think you're giving far too much credit for purported strategy where it's not due. (And I think a speculation objection is warranted. Or are you having "ex parte" communications?) :)

 

I would opine that it's more about titillation over this whole "scene" in general. And, in this specific case, being cheap.

 

You're funny. As in "Objection, Your Honor, calls for speculation?" I only know this from watching courtroom dramas. My work doesn't require me to set foot in that world. A guy in my apartment building always used to address me as "Counselor." He was a meth freak who had been a paralegal.

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IMO such providers cloud the distinctions between massage and full service.

 

This is part of the reason I stopped advertising on massage sites: There are too many (gay) providers who will offer full (bottom) service because that is what they personally like irrespective of more "professional" modus operandi. They are monetizing their recreational sex life and their clients get acclimated to that. I recall a debate I regrettably got into with a prospective client who tacitly expected this level of service from me, citing as rationale some guy in NY who he topped for massage rates. No, sir.

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I saw Tim many times when he lived in LA. Wish he would move back!

 

can you give a little more info about him? Since he has no face or real body pics, can you describe him a little and give a little more sense of what was hottest?

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I guess I don't really consider it full service because I never expect it, and instead thought of two guys having fun after the massage. I know most in the south expect the tug part, but I do not. If I do expect a good massage. I will say though it turns into play more often than not.

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Recently had a legitimate massage at an upscale spa...turn into MUCH more.

 

He was beautiful. The massage was proceeding at a very rapid pace however

and I was more than a little confused. Fifteen minutes into a 90 minute massage

he already had me flipped over and was more than 1/2 done on the second side.

 

In retrospect, I was a little naive, but he had already finished my ass and legs and

hadn't come near my cock, so I wasn't expecting much from the rest of the massage.

 

Boy was I wrong. Let's just say the dude has a minor chest/nipple fetish and

started going to town on me. After spending 60 minutes fucking like animals

on the massage table and both of us we cumming buckets without making a sound,

he sheepishly said "now that you're relaxed, let me finish the massage"

 

No up charge...just two men having fun.

 

May I know where?

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Anyone have any recommendations in Los Angeles? Looking for a massage turned full service...

 

On his own initiative & urging, prodding & poking it happened to me with Brad.....(after being forewarned that he was only a top) :)......(but for me with Kalvo, once was enough....hairy bod aside, for a variety of reasons, I wasn't really feeling a connection.....though apparently many others do)......no "upselling" either.

 

https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/magixter.shtml

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On his own initiative & urging, prodding & poking it happened to me with Brad.....(after being forewarned that he was only a top) :)......(but for me with Kalvo, once was enough....hairy bod aside, for a variety of reasons, I wasn't really feeling a connection.....though apparently many others do)......no "upselling" either.

 

https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/magixter.shtml

 

Years ago Brad bottomed for me. But I found him a bit...odd after the session, almost like he didn't want to be left alone.

I've also seen he does BB porn lately which gives me pause. Just my own personal opinion.

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