ROBERT SEPULVEDA IS GOIN' TO FIX YOU!!!

[eyesopen]

It seems like everyone on the show is either a drama queen or way too effeminate or both. just NOT ATTRACTIVE.

 

They seem to be almost entirely bottoms. They're all repelling each other. And Robert's a bottom, and it comes across in the body language and lack of sparks. Besides the fact that Robert has no personality or anything to say except "worship my trophy wife plastic looks." Same reasons he can't maintain a daddy.

[jjkrkwood]

The contestants seems like a bunch of out of work waiters from TGI Fridays, and Prince Charming is more of a toad. After about a hot minute of looking at the guy, who is obviously just an aging pretty boy, there is nothing there but a monotone "Will you continue to wear my tie" ? If this were a game of Musical Chairs, I would be happy if I were the guy left without one, so i could get the hell out of there. but you know, out of work waiters are really actors in the making, so they probably feel this is their Big Break !

[+ quoththeraven]

The contestants seems like a bunch of out of work waiters from TGI Fridays, and Prince Charming is more of a toad. After about a hot minute of looking at the guy, who is obviously just an aging pretty boy, there is nothing there but a monotone "Will you continue to wear my tie" ? If this were a game of Musical Chairs, I would be happy if I were the guy left without one, so i could get the hell out of there. but you know, out of work waiters are really actors in the making, so they probably feel this is their Big Break !

 

JJK, it is good to know I can count on you for a belly laugh. Thank you.

[MrMiniver]

I am not usually THAT fussy, am not a body fascist, but found the guys wayy too eyebrow plucked and tweaked, and while I wouldn't go so far as to say they were unattractive totally, I was expecting a bit more contrast. as for the protagonist, a less charming specimen I could hardly imagine. not a TRACE of humour or personality, and no interest in anything, it seems? (Music, theatre, movies, art......zero....!)

 

I've seen two episodes now and I guess I'm only still watching because it gives me the experience of one of those people who chase sirens to a fire. It's a trainwreck. Both episodes have featured guys going behind other guy's backs to snitch to the Bachelor about one thing or another. It's the worst example of gay men. It's like the producers got together and said let's show a bunch of overly dramatic, half drunk, bitchy gay men .... I mean does anyone know a group of guys like this that they call friends? This is really awful. I hope no one straight is watching.

 

Every once in a while one of the guys seems sort of attractive and then he opens his mouth or does something really creepy.

 

As for the escort, I mean bachelor, they all drool all over him but I've never seen a less attractive guy. Even his physique seems somehow manufactured and fake.

 

Gosh, Boy Meets Boy was better than this show!

[+ quoththeraven]

I don't watch them - I've only watched the fictional Unreal - but isn't the behavior on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette equally reprehensible? I thought all these dating and romance reality shows specialized in capturing people at their worst and most dramatic.

 

Which is to say the straights look just as terrible, so this might not be as much of a blow to gay acceptance as you think.

[longtime lurker]

They seem to be almost entirely bottoms. They're all repelling each other. And Robert's a bottom, and it comes across in the body language and lack of sparks. Besides the fact that Robert has no personality or anything to say except "worship my trophy wife plastic looks." Same reasons he can't maintain a daddy.

 

This is probably not true but it is a humorous theory and I couldn't help but laugh... if a bit uncomfortably. I myself am late to a lot of this "m4m intimacy", suppressing so much for too many decades. Not getting into my life story here, but... yeah... you would probably consider me a weirdo. Had just enough experience to say that I am "versatile" if I must be pigeon-holed into a category. It does amuse me how, just as all of the "hetero-normals" (i.e. the way they view themselves) like to typecast all homo-SEX-uals as being alike... well, you know.

 

Of course, if these guys are that stubborn about their "positions" (as many are with their political parties, religious beliefs and so forth), then maybe they were all cast that way so that they would remain focused on Robert? Ha ha!

 

In a nutshell, the BIG problem with this show is that it is TOO much like The Bachelor, Bachelorette and Bachelor In Paradise... well, not exactly the last one. That show is quite unique and far superior to the other two. Why Ashley Iaconetti hasn't been nominated for an Emmy is beyond me. Also I think that format is more successful since you have multiple partner opportunities instead of 25+ competing for the same person and that person struggling to make a decision in so short of a time based on short dates. Bachelor In Paradise always has at least two successful match-ups, sometimes resulting in a marriage and sometimes just a couple months relationship outside the Reality TV Bubble.

 

Simply put, like the ABC shows, this show has essentially the same problems:

1.) Everybody is in their 20s or early 30s. Nobody is, say, 10-15 years older than lead. At least Dating Naked on VH1 once plopped a 69 year old in the mix so that the 20s gal at least got a new perspective on dating from one with plenty of experience. Of course, no viewer expected him to last any longer than the black and Asian contestants ever do in the mostly Caucasian Bachelor and Bachelorette show. (They say race doesn't matter. Ummm... Well, Dating Naked was color-blind, at least.)

2.) Everybody has spent too much time in the gym and not much time reading books. The reason so many look alike is because they all want to have the same abs. Ditto the other dating shows with all of the "meat" on display.

3.) Everybody is nitpicky and fussy because they on TeeVee.

4.) Because there aren't many shows like this in the "hetero-normal" TV landscape, it is obvious that everybody is playing safe and there isn't much novelty.

 

With that said, there are some interesting contestants. Paul, the one who lost his boyfriend over a Thanksgiving holiday, comes off bland on TV but is probably an interesting person if met off TV. Robby is at least amusing in that he has plenty of confidence. Robert says he lacks "depth" (so it is clear he is not a finalist) because he talks too much about stuff going on and not about himself. Robert seems a bit smitten with super talkative Justin and moody Chad. When Chad threatened to leave in episode 2, Robert actually looked semi-upset. He does go for the more introverted types.

[+ quoththeraven]

It does amuse me how, just as all of the "hetero-normals" (i.e. the way they view themselves) like to typecast all homo-SEX-uals as being alike... well, you know.

 

+1

[rvwnsd]

...It does amuse me how, just as all of the "hetero-normals" (i.e. the way they view themselves) like to typecast all homo-SEX-uals as being alike... well, you know....

It is also possible (probably, even) that the people who are willing to participate in such a show behave this way. That said, it would be great TV if a contestant said to Robert "Hey, plastic man, what kind of books do you read? Do you know what a book is? Do you know how to read?"

 

My guess is that contestant would not be wearing a tie for very long after making that comment.

 

...Of course, if these guys are that stubborn about their "positions"... Ha ha!

 

Not sure whether the "ha ha" was in reference to folks preferring one sexual position over another or to focusing on Robert. However, there are plenty of men who are "wired" into one position or another. I can count on one finger the number of times my dick cooperated when I decided to fuck someone. Believe me, it is not for lack of trying. Some men are wired to give and others are wired to receive.

 

 

... With that said, there are some interesting contestants. Paul, the one who lost his boyfriend over a Thanksgiving holiday, comes off bland on TV but is probably an interesting person if met off TV. Robby is at least amusing in that he has plenty of confidence. Robert says he lacks "depth" (so it is clear he is not a finalist) because he talks too much about stuff going on and not about himself. Robert seems a bit smitten with super talkative Justin and moody Chad. When Chad threatened to leave in episode 2, Robert actually looked semi-upset. He does go for the more introverted types.

Introverted or vapid?

[longtime lurker]

Not sure whether the "ha ha" was in reference to folks preferring one sexual position over another or to focusing on Robert. However, there are plenty of men who are "wired" into one position or another. I can count on one finger the number of times my dick cooperated when I decided to fuck someone. Believe me, it is not for lack of trying. Some men are wired to give and others are wired to receive.

 

The "ha ha" was directed to the show. I would never mock anybody for wanting to be a certain way or being "wired" as you stated. I also was not criticizing the original post, but just elaborating on some of the generalizations because of much that I have gathered online... in multiple places, not even here specifically.

[MrMiniver]

I don't watch them - I've only watched the fictional Unreal - but isn't the behavior on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette equally reprehensible? I thought all these dating and romance reality shows specialized in capturing people at their worst and most dramatic.

 

Which is to say the straights look just as terrible, so this might not be as much of a blow to gay acceptance as you think.

 

I've only seen a few episodes of either of those shows and I can't say I've seen behavior as universally repellant as I have on this Logo show.

[MrMiniver]

And maybe the worst thing on the show is the "will you please keep wearing my tie?" I mean ... REALLY????????????????????

[jjkrkwood]

I've only seen a few episodes of either of those shows and I can't say I've seen behavior as universally repellant as I have on this Logo show.

 

On these shows, contestants are usually "cast" to play certain roles: villain, heartthrob, nice guy, nerd etc. They are then asked to magnify whatever their REAL personality is and become the character they have been cast for. They believe its their ticket to stardom. Its the producers who are to blame for the blatant stereotyping. THEY believe it makes for drama and good television. I watch ALL of these shows, not because I am shallow or stupid, but simply because I find it entertaining in some sort of way. I sometimes smile, often gasp, but always have a good time watching, so no apologies from me for that.

[jjkrkwood]

And maybe the worst thing on the show is the "will you please keep wearing my tie?" I mean ... REALLY????????????????????

 

Yeah that's kinda LAME.... I woulda made it a black leather harness.

[rvwnsd]

The "ha ha" was directed to the show. I would never mock anybody for wanting to be a certain way or being "wired" as you stated. I also was not criticizing the original post, but just elaborating on some of the generalizations because of much that I have gathered online... in multiple places, not even here specifically.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't word that very well and did not intend to imply you were mocking the way guys are wired. My intent was "Not sure whether the 'ha ha' was in reference to the word 'stubborn' in relation to their positions"

 

And maybe the worst thing on the show is the "will you please keep wearing my tie?" I mean ... REALLY????????????????????

 

What would happen if someone said "no?" They should stick with flowers. Or maybe condoms!

[longtime lurker]

Yeah... stubborn, but I was only going along with The Gag .

 

Introverted or vapid?

 

One thing I picked up on frontrunner Justin is that so much he says sounds oddly scripted. I have long suspected that the dating shows use a lot of cue cards or at least some coaching by the off camera interviewer. Like what @jkirkwood says. Now Chad's hissy fit suggests more was going on that we TV viewers know about. Not only do we have casting and cue cards, but also editors using a chain saw.

[longtime lurker]

On these shows, contestants are usually "cast" to play certain roles: villain, heartthrob, nice guy, nerd etc. They are then asked to magnify whatever their REAL personality is and become the character they have been cast for.

 

I had to go look at the contestants in order to get their names straight.

 

Robby is doing the most narration. Generally these contestants don't make it to the end. He is the Funny Man with the spray tan and so forth. Sort of your "Greek Chorus".

 

With Justin, I am getting the "friend" vibe, but you need to keep one or two to take to the top 3. I don't think Justin will be blubbering that much if he doesn't get his tie. You know how it is... the lead always blubbers "sniff sniff, I don't want to heart break anybody after all of this time". If this show is a hit, then they could potentially recycle Justin as the lead for Prince Charming Season 2, although they may need to do something about his hair.

 

Paul is a key front runner. I guess at this point, with three episodes down, I would flip a coin between him and Chad as the "final 1". My guess is that both guys make it pretty far, going by the editing. The only strike against Paul is that we twice heard his suicide story, as if the editors really, really want the viewers to like him more than the others. The more likeable the character, the more recyclable he will be if Prince Charming gets a second season.

 

Brandon, Dillon and Eric are getting roughly the same amout of screen time and each has "a story", but none as important as Paul. One of these could be a finalist who is "under the radar" though. That editing trick was used in Sean Lowe's season of The Bachelor as I recall. Catherine, his wife and mommy of his kid, was hidden a lot in the early episodes.

 

Something definitely is going on with Chad, but I am not sure what it is exactly. Is more happening between him and Robert than the editors want us to see? Or he is falling in love with a fellow contestant and they want the viewers to find out the same time Robert does? I can't figure him out, but there is more lop 'n' chop in the editing when he is around. Since I am not spoiled as to the ending of this show, I can only guess that either he is the last man standing or he leaves on his own or something goes wrong on a date... and if one of the latter two choices, all hell breaks loose. One possible clue that Chad may be the finalist is that many of the Bachelor and Bachelorette shows, which Lance the host admits he watches faithfully since he has Chris Harrison's mannerisms down pact, is there must always be an "obstacle" for the lead and their final choice to get over. Chad decided to leave because he couldn't get along with others and Robert says he wants a guy who gets along with others, but Chad defended himself well enough. He was also crying a lot when almost eliminated, another bit of "drama" that editors favor.

 

Traditionally the Final One Guy is not a contestant viewers necessarily like since he is technically "off the market" and not recyclable if there is a second Prince Charming.

 

That is... if Robert actually picks somebody at the end of this.

 

One gimmick that is NOT working (for those of us who sat through enough dating shows before) is having the next dumpee go on and on in their interviews of the Great Journey With Robert Ahead while the one ready to be spared another ceremony is all worried about getting eliminated. The early seasons of the Bachelor did this until fans caught on, so they had to become more creative. This show must have editors who are paid less than on The Bachelor.

 

******

 

I went back and re-watched the promo, now that I have figured out some of the "characters" in our Little Drama.

 

http://www.logotv.com/video-clips/d2m60c/finding-prince-charming-finding-prince-charming-first-look

 

OK... my vibe is even more "pro-Chad" now. He may NOT be the Last Man Standing, but they sure are EDITING him like he is.

 

Traditionally in the Bachelor/ette shows, they include one key kissing shot with lead and his/her final 1, but make sure it appears early enough in the video so that all of the drama and looooonger romantic shots (like Robert and Paul, possible runner up in the top two or three, being all affectionate) have a more lasting effect on the viewer's memory. Chad's one smooch scene occurs after, but not during, Robert's "love is very close", then we see him during the line "my heart is definitely falling in love" before we see Robert talking to the camera "with several of the guys". None of the other guys get this clever "sneak-in" with Robert's "heart" involved. In fact, both Robby and Justin are showcased in Justin's rambling about "the Prince Charming we don't know" suggesting that neither really got to know him. There is plenty of Chad sprinkled throughout the second half being involved in The Drama "Some people think this is a game... some people are playing dirty... *sniff sniff*... I really care about him", so that we can rule him out as a serious contender. Maybe. Maybe not? Poor Paul gets Robert's line of "I have to make a decision" suggesting the decision doesn't involve him!

[jjkrkwood]

Well, I gotta say LTL, that you like this show a whole lot more than I do, because for me, watching an episode ONCE was quite enough ! Having the flamer Robby there is for comic relief.

You know damn well in real life the icy block of stone Robert would never even look at a guy like that. If he saw him in a club, he'd be ridiculing him to his friends from the other end of the bar

Robert, something is wrong with that guys face, or maybe its just his mouth is a little twisted. From experience I would say he does alot of cocksucking and he just has an uncontrollable "pucker".

Chad is kinda like a hot Oompa Loopma, he tries to be "butch" on the outside, but he's all "femmy" when Robert kisses him and strokes his face.

I dont remember, are there any blacks left on the show ? I know there was a cute one who was always tattling and Prince didnt like that.

 

And back to Prince, that heart line was silly since he really hasnt shown a heart or much of anything else since he made his debut walk onto the screen. By now Prince is banking on the fact that all the guys have googled him, and know he has a big cock, so they will do anything to hang around and take down the competition to try and win his cock, (HEART) !

[longtime lurker]

I don't know about "like", but I have seen too many of these shows that they are starting to become predictable.

 

There isn't a whole lot of "lovabality" factor to these folks, so that may be why it is hard to get TOO invested.

[MrMiniver]

Yeah that's kinda LAME.... I woulda made it a black leather harness.

 

"Will you keep wearing my cock ring?"

[MrMiniver]

On these shows, contestants are usually "cast" to play certain roles: villain, heartthrob, nice guy, nerd etc. They are then asked to magnify whatever their REAL personality is and become the character they have been cast for. They believe its their ticket to stardom. Its the producers who are to blame for the blatant stereotyping. THEY believe it makes for drama and good television. I watch ALL of these shows, not because I am shallow or stupid, but simply because I find it entertaining in some sort of way. I sometimes smile, often gasp, but always have a good time watching, so no apologies from me for that.

 

Of course, the producers are to blame, but you can't take away responsibility and personal choice from the morons who agree to do these shows and act in this manner. At then end of the day, they are FAR worse because all they had to do was say NO, I'm not going to do this and make me and my community look so fucking stupid.

[MrMiniver]

Well, I gotta say LTL, that you like this show a whole lot more than I do, because for me, watching an episode ONCE was quite enough ! Having the flamer Robby there is for comic relief.

You know damn well in real life the icy block of stone Robert would never even look at a guy like that. If he saw him in a club, he'd be ridiculing him to his friends from the other end of the bar

Robert, something is wrong with that guys face, or maybe its just his mouth is a little twisted. From experience I would say he does alot of cocksucking and he just has an uncontrollable "pucker".

Chad is kinda like a hot Oompa Loopma, he tries to be "butch" on the outside, but he's all "femmy" when Robert kisses him and strokes his face.

I dont remember, are there any blacks left on the show ? I know there was a cute one who was always tattling and Prince didnt like that.

 

And back to Prince, that heart line was silly since he really hasnt shown a heart or much of anything else since he made his debut walk onto the screen. By now Prince is banking on the fact that all the guys have googled him, and know he has a big cock, so they will do anything to hang around and take down the competition to try and win his cock, (HEART) !

 

And there's scuttlebutt (ha) on the internet that Robert is a bit of a bigot about black guys so it will probably come as no surprise that he'll eliminate them first along with the fat and the unattractive guys who he would never pick in the first place.

 

Justin with his frosted hair and all that. Yikes. Who are these weirdos? And why is there no transgendered person? Or an intersex person? Or a lesbian? Let's make this really fun. Actually they need a few lesbians just to increase the masculinity quotient on that show

[jjkrkwood]

Of course, the producers are to blame, but you can't take away responsibility and personal choice from the morons who agree to do these shows and act in this manner. At then end of the day, they are FAR worse because all they had to do was say NO, I'm not going to do this and make me and my community look so fucking stupid.

 

 

True dat, but also keep in mind "it's a PAYCHECK" and most of these guys are probably living hand to mouth. Most likely unemployed because what person with a REAL job is able to take months off from work for Reality TV ?

[rvwnsd]

True dat, but also keep in mind "it's a PAYCHECK" and most of these guys are probably living hand to mouth. Most likely unemployed because what person with a REAL job is able to take months off from work for Reality TV ?

We know at least one of them is unemployed - the now-former real estate agent who was fired from his job allegedly for appearing on the show. Now, we don't know whether he was fired for appearing on "a gay dating" show or on a show "where the lead was an escort" or "because he failed to disclose outside employment according to a company policy."

[DonaldTramp]

I haven't watched this show...not sure if I want to. It sounds really bad. You all should be watching 90 Day Fiance!

[Tonyko]

True dat, but also keep in mind "it's a PAYCHECK" and most of these guys are probably living hand to mouth. Most likely unemployed because what person with a REAL job is able to take months off from work for Reality TV ?

These "in house" Reality shows are dragged out on air for a full season, but IN reality they oft only have a two week shooting schedule. They shoot every day it's doesn't take that long, the post EDITING does lol. (you knoe, they make someone eating someone elses last yogurt seem like a knife fight happens next week etc) So it's not like any huge time committment is neccessary. (shows like "housewives" etc where they live at home and go about their (unscripted lol) lives does req a way longer committment. And guys on THIS kind of show (and on LOGO) ain't making anything to sing about lol prolly not much more than a diligent cam model can make.