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rvwnsd Grand Master

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Shit! I was hoping the check might have started processing before his stop payment order took effect. Sometimes that happens. I am so sorry you have to go through this. That just sucks.

klifhangar Contributor

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Just my 2 cents: his kind of sickness feeds off your response so STARVE the monster. You can set up email to bounce back with a message saying that you no longer accept emails from this account. If he is texting or calling you, tell him that any further contact will be consider telephonic harassment and that you WILL pursue it.

 

He holds himself and his value above yours which couldn't be further from the truth. Punch a giant hole in his delusions. He is actually more vulnerable, as others have pointed out.

 

Sorry, man. And I sincerely meant it that I would contact you if in Orlando any time in the future. I am starting to travel again so who knows :)

AdamAdonis Newbie

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Just my 2 cents: his kind of sickness feeds off your response so STARVE the monster. You can set up email to bounce back with a message saying that you no longer accept emails from this account. If he is texting or calling you, tell him that any further contact will be consider telephonic harassment and that you WILL pursue it.

 

He holds himself and his value above yours which couldn't be further from the truth. Punch a giant hole in his delusions. He is actually more vulnerable, as others have pointed out.

 

Sorry, man. And I sincerely meant it that I would contact you if in Orlando any time in the future. I am starting to travel again so who knows :)

Well I never clarifird. I basically told him that if he were to wire me the money and pay me for my time I would be happy to respond but until he pays me there will be no further communication. After that he sent very threatening emails and I've ignored him. Then he sent very caring emails that he loved me and if I could just show him that we could pursue a relationship together he would be happy to send me the money. And of course I've ignored those as well. I'm smart enough to know not to respond to this nut job even if I was dumb enough to take a check! lol

LADoug1 Mentor

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Well after 14 years of hiring not the first time this issue has crossed paths with forum or with some of my closest friends who are gentlemen in business for many years.

 

First Adam you are one hot man, I saw your ad sometime ago and said I get to Florida you are on my list and after reading your posts I am even more positive I want to meet you. You sound like a great guy, just caught in a bad place.

 

Second checks are not bad and can even make sound advice for those gentlemen who are trying establish business venture and want to pay taxes. Checks are a sound way to provide proof of income. Thing is you want to do this clients you have a very comfortable relationship with. Two steps in this case that would have helped you, one, cashiers check and then go to your bank and ask how long it takes for a cashiers check to clear and what time length so that it can not be voided. Second, if they say two to three weeks then that is what you tell client is the time between the check arrival and the meeting. My friend and I rarely did anything that was not 2 months out. So I could use either cashiers or regular check.

 

The problem with paypal is that if get even a whiff this is for something like escorts they will freeze your account quicker than you can hit the enter button. Plus you have to be really careful about larger amounts, paypal is not instantaneous. However, I have just started using western union for something I am doing in the fall and prepaying that way and it is quite easy and while my account at bank I can get cashiers checks free, there was a time I was paying $8 and Western Union is charging me $9 and its from my computer. Paypal fees can be higher.

 

Okay now the part you don't want to hear, what should do - no good answer here but everyone of my friends has faced situations similar to this in the past, even with clients who they had good relationships with. Let it go. You can try blacklisting ah I don't know how many guys actually look at that. You are better off cutting all ties with man. Anyone who is this unstable, has pulled this on other guys before, act or not. You will continue to be frustrated when in all honesty you are better off putting it down to lesson learned. At least you did not fall into trap of paying your own flight somewhere.

 

One more thing, don't fall into the trap of believing everyone who posts here about hiring you. Honestly if people here want you to come visit them, tell them to send you a plane ticket and confirmed hotel reservation. That's reality. You should protect yourself first. Look for posts from Juan Vancouver, he has given out excellent information for gentlemen in the business to follow so you don't get left in the lurch when you begin to travel. There is nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism about every "fantastic" opportunity you are offered. Words can be so sweet and wonderful, but it is the actions by both gentlemen and clients that determine success or not. You can't book promises, they have no value at the bank.

+1 about following Juan Vancouver.

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ray brown Newbie

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Client hires me while visiting DC. His an emergency room doctor who goes by xxxxxxx Moderator's note: no posting of real names. Check TOS.

 

He would stay for several hours, pay me for significantly less, then text me that he knew he underpaid but would see me again. We had a very nice connection so I let it slide and he did hire me three times, each time staying longer than what he paid for.

 

He says he wants to book me for a weekend in Fort Lauderdale. I tell him it's 2500 but I'll throw in a third night free.

 

I pick him up from the airport and day 1 he's fine. He asks a lot of personal questions and says that he's in love with me and wants to help me pay for my house renovation. Red flag! Too intense for only a few meetings.

 

Day 2 asks me over and over again to fuck him that night. I say not to worry I fucked him in DC so it will happen tonight. We lie in bed during the day and he literally asked me ten more times if I'm going to fuck him. A little irritated I say "Yes I don't know why you keep asking! I said I would!" He stands up and yells "you'll fuck a guy in the shower at the gym and I'm paying you 2500 dollars! You'll fuck me tonight if I ask for it!" I hunkered down in bed and just laid there. He rolls over, apologizes, so I say ok. I get on top and pond him. He kept trying to talk and feel reassured. He needed constant affirmation that I was head over heels for him.

 

Day 3. Wants to go to a sex party so he can watch me and join in. Sending how insecure he was I suggest dinner and a movie for our last night and alone time in the hotel. He inisysts on the sex party so we go. And of course he complained that I fucked others like I cared more about them and didn't do it to him the same way. He's 53. The guys there were 28 or so and new. It was his idea. So now he wants to go to a leather bar afterwards so we go. He asks a million questions. Are you sure it's ok if we go? Do you really want to be here? Then we get settled in at a corner in the bar and he says do you want to walk around the bar? I say no. He yells THEN LET'S GO!

I say what? I just said I didn't want to walk around that doesn't mean I want to go! He yells back you don't have to be such an asshole!!! I walk out of the bar.

 

He says let's go back in.

I say No I think we should go!

He says you're a child! You've got problems!

I say really!? Let's just go I knew there would be drama! You ask one question after another! It's ridiculous!

He arrogantly says in a fatherly tone yelling at me like I was a child, "Sit down on the ground with your knees in the dirt, wait for the uber, and when we get back you can drive back to Orlando tonight! (It's 12:30am and Orlando is a three hour drive away)

 

In the uber he acts all happy to the driver and says what a great time we are having! In the hotel he says he loves me and will take care of me even though I'm self centered. I quietly tell him I need to leave. I run out of there!

 

He cancels my check and in one email says how much he loves me the next email he calls me all kinds of names! Promises to wire me the money. 1500 up front and a thousand more if I respond showing him I care about him. I respond with saying we will have no further communication until he pays me first! Then a bunch of threats follow!

He's going to contact my parents and turn me in to the IRS!

 

Beware! In five years of escorting I have never experienced anyone this sick!

You sound like a total asshole. It is unlikely the story plays out like this. Why we he offer to help you with your house if you have not told him 100x you needed the money. The sick, immature, poorly educated, narcissistic, hustling asshole is you.
Beancounter Grand Master

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You sound like a total asshole. It is unlikely the story plays out like this. Why we he offer to help you with your house if you have not told him 100x you needed the money. The sick, immature, poorly educated, narcissistic, hustling asshole is you.

 

Pretty harsh criticism for a "newbie". Sounds like you're one of the many haters in the world. Perhaps you should hire Mocha. He's an escort that you might enjoy.

mike carey Grand Master

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Pretty harsh criticism for a "newbie".

Indeed, dismissing claims of bad treatment of either escorts or clients doesn't usually happen until there is clear evidence to support it.

marylander1940 Grand Master

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Client hires me while visiting DC. His an emergency room doctor who goes by xxxxxxx Moderator's note: no posting of real names. Check TOS.

 

He would stay for several hours, pay me for significantly less, then text me that he knew he underpaid but would see me again. We had a very nice connection so I let it slide and he did hire me three times, each time staying longer than what he paid for.

 

He says he wants to book me for a weekend in Fort Lauderdale. I tell him it's 2500 but I'll throw in a third night free.

 

I pick him up from the airport and day 1 he's fine. He asks a lot of personal questions and says that he's in love with me and wants to help me pay for my house renovation. Red flag! Too intense for only a few meetings.

 

Day 2 asks me over and over again to fuck him that night. I say not to worry I fucked him in DC so it will happen tonight. We lie in bed during the day and he literally asked me ten more times if I'm going to fuck him. A little irritated I say "Yes I don't know why you keep asking! I said I would!" He stands up and yells "you'll fuck a guy in the shower at the gym and I'm paying you 2500 dollars! You'll fuck me tonight if I ask for it!" I hunkered down in bed and just laid there. He rolls over, apologizes, so I say ok. I get on top and pond him. He kept trying to talk and feel reassured. He needed constant affirmation that I was head over heels for him.

 

Day 3. Wants to go to a sex party so he can watch me and join in. Sending how insecure he was I suggest dinner and a movie for our last night and alone time in the hotel. He inisysts on the sex party so we go. And of course he complained that I fucked others like I cared more about them and didn't do it to him the same way. He's 53. The guys there were 28 or so and new. It was his idea. So now he wants to go to a leather bar afterwards so we go. He asks a million questions. Are you sure it's ok if we go? Do you really want to be here? Then we get settled in at a corner in the bar and he says do you want to walk around the bar? I say no. He yells THEN LET'S GO!

I say what? I just said I didn't want to walk around that doesn't mean I want to go! He yells back you don't have to be such an asshole!!! I walk out of the bar.

 

He says let's go back in.

I say No I think we should go!

He says you're a child! You've got problems!

I say really!? Let's just go I knew there would be drama! You ask one question after another! It's ridiculous!

He arrogantly says in a fatherly tone yelling at me like I was a child, "Sit down on the ground with your knees in the dirt, wait for the uber, and when we get back you can drive back to Orlando tonight! (It's 12:30am and Orlando is a three hour drive away)

 

In the uber he acts all happy to the driver and says what a great time we are having! In the hotel he says he loves me and will take care of me even though I'm self centered. I quietly tell him I need to leave. I run out of there!

 

He cancels my check and in one email says how much he loves me the next email he calls me all kinds of names! Promises to wire me the money. 1500 up front and a thousand more if I respond showing him I care about him. I respond with saying we will have no further communication until he pays me first! Then a bunch of threats follow!

He's going to contact my parents and turn me in to the IRS!

 

Beware! In five years of escorting I have never experienced anyone this sick!

 

You sound like a total asshole. It is unlikely the story plays out like this. Why we he offer to help you with your house if you have not told him 100x you needed the money. The sick, immature, poorly educated, narcissistic, hustling asshole is you.

 

And you sound as immature as the client who hired this guy, and now we all think it was you.

Frequentflier Mentor

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Interesting comments as always.

 

1. Cash never bounces. If you doubt the authenticity of it you can for like $2 buy a marker in any office supply store to check if the cash is real.

2. If you take a check from someone and it bounces or they stop payment on it, to a degree that's part of doing business. If the business is legal there are very good and low cost (do it yourself) ways to collect in most states. Some even allow for triple damages if the person doesn't make good on it. For big dollar checks I've seen District Attorney offices take the case. If you go this route you have to be prepared to answer ANY questions posed to you about the money and why the check was written. Neither party in front of a judge gets to refuse answering a question unless they are ready to pay the cost of appealing the judges order to answer.

3. Regardless of anger or how someone treated me, I wouldn't try to ruin someone's career or life over relatively small dollars. Plus once you start down that path you lose control and can't just stop anytime you want. It might bounce back against you. You might so destroy someone's life/career they do become desperate for revenge. And while not insignificant, over $2,500?

4. As for the IRS, the doctor has to provide details and proof. He has no idea what the OP puts on his tax return and the IRS isn't going to check just because the doctor calls them. There are whistleblower rewards but those people are typically inside enough to line out the case with documents for the IRS (nearly do all the work for them).

5. We've all had people we don't want to hear from again. Whether its blocking, marking emails "spam" or whatever is possible that's a decent way to never hear from the person again. For phone calls, an iPhone (and likely the others) allow one to block calls and text messages with only a second of effort. Land lines (I'm thinking Comcast) also allow free blocking.

6. I think most people will stop calling/contacting someone if they hear the person is calling the police.

7. Whether for this former client or potential new ones, always be vigilant, let someone know where you'll be, meet someone new in public, leave a note on your fridge where you're going, trust your gut, etc., etc. And veteran companions and clients have even better practices than those.

 

Threatening to out someone if they don't pay is illegal too, even if its to collect on a bad check. Probably illegal to threaten someone to call their parents or the IRS if they don't agree to meet/do something is illegal too. Taking someone through the legal system to collect on a bad check isn't illegal.

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You sound like a total asshole. It is unlikely the story plays out like this. Why we he offer to help you with your house if you have not told him 100x you needed the money. The sick, immature, poorly educated, narcissistic, hustling asshole is you.

 

Pretty harsh criticism for a "newbie". Sounds like you're one of the many haters in the world. Perhaps you should hire Mocha. He's an escort that you might enjoy.

 

Wow, this is an awful situation and I'm sorry you went through it.

 

I am not sure if you noticed but ray brown is blaming the victim for all of this and calling him bad names.

 

HMMMMM....I have a suspicion that @ray brown may be the client who cheated Adam. Just speculation on my part.

rvwnsd Grand Master

rvwnsd

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HMMMMM....I have a suspicion that @ray brown may be the client who cheated Adam. Just speculation on my part.

 

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marylander1940 Grand Master

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HMMMMM....I have a suspicion that @ray brown may be the client who cheated Adam. Just speculation on my part.

 

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This guy is sexy and nice for a one hour encounter. Avoid politics. He is a narcissistic, immature, high-school educated, arrogant, chronic lier who will hustle if given the chance. He distorts or misperceives facts. He voices his right wing views on his fb page.

ADMIN NOTE: Do not post real names.

 

He even gave the real name of the escort, because he signed him a check...

Monkey Newbie

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I am not sure if you noticed but ray brown is blaming the victim for all of this and calling him bad names.

Oh I wasn't responding to Raybrown :p

sincitymix Mentor

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HMMMMM....I have a suspicion that @ray brown may be the client who cheated Adam. Just speculation on my part.

You can also press charges on the person who wrote you a bad check. you dont even have to erxplain what the check is for... at least it is for Las Vegas. When i was still really young.. or youngish? pretty much still just barely what the law would consider a minor, friend wrote me a check, assured me repeatedly it was good. it bounced so high, i think it would have made everyone in the city stoned :). My dad took me to the local police office, they handed me a simple form. few names, copy of the bounced check and boom.. misdemeanor felony if the check is over 200.00 ..

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