Did Scruff steal the gay, white, 40s/50s male client?

[+ José Soplanucas]

May be we should apply market laws. If demand is going down, prices should follow.

[Mocha]

Thank you Mikey for the very informative reply. There's really some game changers out there. In addition, I think the other thing besides the apps (which will hopefully give some light at the end of the tunnel) is the current political state. I don't want to get too in depth about that, but with people not feeling America is great anymore, seems as if everyone is hoarding their money and spending on hedonistic things like IPhones, European cars, and $2,000 a month 1 bedroom studios. When they meet another eligible gay man, they want to take them to McDonalds. And that's if you're lucky. I know a friend who for 2 years, drained a guy dry thru drugs, trips to NYC, money at the bars, an $1,800/month apartment, and wild parties. He was asking me how to handle the situation. I told him, what you're doing is wrong. He should be hiring escorts and getting what he wants. Not relying on you thinking he's going to eventually have sex and marry him. Eventually, the relationship went out with a bang and they no longer speak to each other. I feel bad for the man to have wasted his time and money. He should have went for an escort instead.

 

The apps are one thing, but there's other things which are compelling these things to happen. Americans have become more selfish and everything is going up, but except for gas, nothing has gone down.

 

instead of nitpicking and personal attacks why don't we address the actual thread??? The point is absolutely 100% correct. The apps are terrible for the upscale high end "A or B list" escorts. I find it hilarious when escort friends of mine boast in public about "being booked up full all week or I am booked the next 6 weekends" and then I call them on a Saturday night at 10 pm just to bull shit with them and privately they tell me "Mikey, I haven't had a call in 5 days....no, not even one!" Guys are trying to be brave since Rentboy died and trying to create the illusion of being busy like a restaurant who wont take reservations so there is a line outside at 530 pm but when you get inside half the tables are empty and are still empty when u leave at 7. These are DARK days in the escort biz. The only thing keeping me in biz successfully is over 20 years of building a regular client list all over the USA. I don't see how the younger guys are making it and , frankly, with very few exceptions, most ARE NOT making it. They are taking day jobs to supplement their income or opening small businesses. Some are retiring and unemployed. Most are burning through their savings at an alarming rates. Others engage in a futile attempt at securing a sugar daddy. The APPS are largely responsible for creating this mess as is Craigslist. Great escorts are dinasaurs and a dying breed. I hate to say it but technology is leading to mass extention of the species. I am sure escorts will respond to this and say I am full of shit and they are booked a month in advance but CALL EM ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AT 11PM AND YOU WILL GET A BOOKING RIGHT NOW! LOL just callin em like I see em and reporting from the front lines of the worlds' oldest profession: Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

[Mocha]

May be we should apply market laws. If demand is going down, prices should follow.

 

It won't work. 2 reasons why it won't work: less demand=less clients. So in reality prices are going to be going up. No one is going to be motivated to be an escort at $50/Hr for 2 or 3 clients a week. Dillard's pays more than that. It's going to be more like $500/Hr to make it worthwhile.

[+ José Soplanucas]

It won't work. 2 reasons why it won't work: less demand=less clients. So in reality prices are going to be going up. No one is going to be motivated to be an escort at $50/Hr for 2 or 3 clients a week. Dillard's pays more than that. It's going to be more like $500/Hr to make it worthwhile.

 

I disagree. I think if you stay in 200, you'll have more business. To be specific, I would hire you for 200 without thinking twice. I mean, I would hire any attractive to me escort, like you, without thinking twice.

[tanman4u]

I'm not arguing with you at all Mikey but is there a chance that you have this reversed? Are not a lot of guys escorting to supplement their day jobs, or pay for school, or support building their small business, or just to use their smokin' hot bodies to make extra bucks? You, and of course several very well known escorts here are doing pretty well with this being your sole means of support (I'm making an assumption) but most of the guys I see listed on Rentmen or A4A ( I don't use BP or CL ) don't seem to be doing it as a full time gig.

 

They are taking day jobs to supplement their income or opening small businesses. Some are retiring and unemployed. Most are burning through their savings at an alarming rates.

[marylander1940]

In case anyone doesn't know...and if you don't know, don't go looking for trouble. Scruff is the app similar to Grindr.

 

Over the months of looking at it, I keep seeing guys that I wonder would be interested in hiring, if presented. I've recently put out a tester profile that implies I'm looking for a certain type of arrangement. So far I've gotten 1 person who asked my rate, but I haven't gotten a follow up reply yet. The rest seem oblivious and even had one guy (before I even mentioned anything) talk some kinky stuff, followed by, "but I don't pay for it." OK dumbo, so why bother?

 

So, it's good that unlike Grindr, there is more room in the profile and the site is a bit lenient...whereas Grindr will edit out even the slightest mentions of anything. However, I'm just not sure how this is gonna go. Part of me worries it could end up being a swap meet with guys expecting $50 and $60 thrills.

 

That seems to be the issue with trying to branch out from the main sites. Trying to get people to understand prices, and much less even want to pay for anything to begin with. But, in many cities around the 600,000 mark in population, escort sites are meager with profiles. Whereas Scruff, there's so many guys on it right in town, lots of older guys which could possibly be client material...So I want to tap into it, but just wanting to see whether others have found any or much success in it.

 

Don't use grindr or scruff unless you're willing to get paid less than your average rate.

 

Answering your question I think scruff has made it easy for older gay men to hook up if they're into each other or if they happen to run into a chubby/daddy chaser.

[marylander1940]

I only like to advertise in sites that are specifically only to hire escorts. I feel like advertising in other sites/apps where escorting is the minority just allows more people to just play games and mess around with escorts fully knowing they never intend on hiring you.

 

Besides I'm sure they would feel like losers because they're hiring you from an app/website where guys usually hookup for free and they know you're there mostly for hookups (with other young in shape men like you) an if it happens an older out of shape client.

[YoungAD]

In case anyone doesn't know...and if you don't know, don't go looking for trouble. Scruff is the app similar to Grindr.

 

Over the months of looking at it, I keep seeing guys that I wonder would be interested in hiring, if presented. I've recently put out a tester profile that implies I'm looking for a certain type of arrangement. So far I've gotten 1 person who asked my rate, but I haven't gotten a follow up reply yet. The rest seem oblivious and even had one guy (before I even mentioned anything) talk some kinky stuff, followed by, "but I don't pay for it." OK dumbo, so why bother?

 

So, it's good that unlike Grindr, there is more room in the profile and the site is a bit lenient...whereas Grindr will edit out even the slightest mentions of anything. However, I'm just not sure how this is gonna go. Part of me worries it could end up being a swap meet with guys expecting $50 and $60 thrills.

 

That seems to be the issue with trying to branch out from the main sites. Trying to get people to understand prices, and much less even want to pay for anything to begin with. But, in many cities around the 600,000 mark in population, escort sites are meager with profiles. Whereas Scruff, there's so many guys on it right in town, lots of older guys which could possibly be client material...So I want to tap into it, but just wanting to see whether others have found any or much success in it.

 

Have you considered that your glory days of escorting might have come and gone? That the best times are behind you and it will never, ever get any better from here?

 

Even the good folks of the Titanic didn't try to stay on the ship after it sank.

[hekilio]

Have you considered that your glory days of escorting might have come and gone? That the best times are behind you and it will never, ever get any better from here?

 

Even the good folks of the Titanic didn't try to stay on the ship after it sank.

This post strikes me as needlessly meanspirited. I understand that many of Mocha's rants can be annoying, but my impression is that his recent ones have been less so and in a way, even interesting to read. One aspect of the forum that I enjoy is the participation of escorts, to see things from their point of view. I would rather not lose participants such as Mocha, even though I don't agree with most of what he writes. My impression is that he is at least sincere.

[+ José Soplanucas]

This post strikes me as needlessly meanspirited. I understand that many of Mocha's rants can be annoying, but my impression is that his recent ones have been less so and in a way, even interesting to read. One aspect of the forum that I enjoy is the participation of escorts, to see things from their point of view. I would rather not lose participants such as Mocha, even though I don't agree with most of what he writes. My impression is that he is at least sincere.

+1

I also noticed and welcomed the change in Mocha's participation

[Mocha]

Have you considered that your glory days of escorting might have come and gone? That the best times are behind you and it will never, ever get any better from here?

 

Even the good folks of the Titanic didn't try to stay on the ship after it sank.

 

Have you ever considered that because you're such a big asshole, that perhaps the RMS titanic with all 2,200 passengers aboard could fit right thru your ass? Surely a foot in your ass would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

 

Ship ain't sunk honey. In reference to Scruff, $220 was the first donation I received from the site. I have 2 profiles, so I don't say "looking for hot guys, but will see older if you pay". It's strictly marketing. The other is strictly fun. And it's been 3 weeks and my profile is still up, so obviously scruff is okay with it. My name even alludes to the profession. Scruff just doesn't want guys blatantly asking money for sex. It's similar to how Barebackrealtime and ReCon works I think, even though I'm not on either of those.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Have you ever considered that because you're such a big asshole, that perhaps the RMS titanic with all 2,200 passengers aboard could fit right thru your ass? Surely a foot in your ass would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

 

Ship ain't sunk honey. In reference to Scruff, $220 was the first donation I received from the site. I have 2 profiles, so I don't say "looking for hot guys, but will see older if you pay". It's strictly marketing. The other is strictly fun. And it's been 3 weeks and my profile is still up, so obviously scruff is okay with it. My name even alludes to the profession. Scruff just doesn't want guys blatantly asking money for sex. It's similar to how Barebackrealtime and ReCon works I think, even though I'm not on either of those.

 

A friendly advice, Mocha. Avoid angry answers and stick to the possitive. Just ignore the posts you dont like or the personal attacks. If you show how vulnerable you are, people will continue pushing your buttons.

[hunterlee]

Have you ever considered that because you're such a big asshole, that perhaps the RMS titanic with all 2,200 passengers aboard could fit right thru your ass? Surely a foot in your ass would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

 

Omg, I laughed out loud when I read that.

 

Also to throw in some cents, when I first started working someone told me "your glory days will be the first year and afterwards slowly dwindle to less and less" and I find that completely false!

 

I also agree with some of Mochas recent posts. Being ethnic (the minority) can be challenging breaking into the "majority". In my case being Asian, American media stereotypes Asians with many negative connotations that are typically disassociated with the type of man that America media portrays as desirable.

Also being one the smaller ethnic groups in our country, it can be intimidating trying to break into the majority. So I can somewhat relate to mochas concerns and comments.

 

Often times I joke with people that people usually only hire me for my personality and company and not my looks or body.

 

And to answer mochas original question.

 

I believe it has changed the way people now meet with others to fulfill their needs as others have chimed in. I agree it is much easier to hire someone and kick them out an hour or two later. Sometimes it can be a hassle to woo someone online and then coordinate with them and what not. However I believe with a new generation a new way of business will come about :-)

[Mocha]

A friendly advice, Mocha. Avoid angry answers and stick to the possitive. Just ignore the posts you dont like or the personal attacks. If you show how vulnerable you are, people will continue pushing your buttons.

 

I agree. I did notice you and another posted countered the reply, and Thank you.

[Mocha]

Omg, I laughed out loud when I read that.

 

Also to throw in some cents, when I first started working someone told me "your glory days will be the first year and afterwards slowly dwindle to less and less" and I find that completely false!

 

I also agree with some of Mochas recent posts. Being ethnic (the minority) can be challenging breaking into the "majority". In my case being Asian, American media stereotypes Asians with many negative connotations that are typically disassociated with the type of man that America media portrays as desirable.

Also being one the smaller ethnic groups in our country, it can be intimidating trying to break into the majority. So I can somewhat relate to mochas concerns and comments.

 

Often times I joke with people that people usually only hire me for my personality and company and not my looks or body.

 

And to answer mochas original question.

 

I believe it has changed the way people now meet with others to fulfill their needs as others have chimed in. I agree it is much easier to hire someone and kick them out an hour or two later. Sometimes it can be a hassle to woo someone online and then coordinate with them and what not. However I believe with a new generation a new way of business will come about

 

Well, I can say the first year of escorting was good...but not necessarily prime. I think it was only good because the escort websites were still kinda "new". They weren't these cheesy Facebook-like instagrams like they are now. People took em more seriously. My better years seemed to have been year 2 thru 4. But I don't think it had nothing to do with me. I'm not even 30 yet.

 

Only thing I can think of, is other than The Scruff app and the elections slowing things down...is being in age-difference purgatory. No longer 21 but not quite 30. But mainly I think it's America and its doings, like you said. Just like music: There's artists (namely Black) that may do so so in America, but top the charts elsewhere. That's why I want to hurry up and get out of here. Enough talking about it, fucking be about it. Shit. I want to show myself how much better I can do elsewhere.

[BryanKnight]

I've been using Scruff for some time.

Since massage was how I started, I used that as the primary angle on scruff. Last year I brought in the mid 4-figures from scruff this way.

As an escort, there is a high resistance to services providers on the apps.