Did Scruff steal the gay, white, 40s/50s male client?

[Mocha]

In case anyone doesn't know...and if you don't know, don't go looking for trouble. Scruff is the app similar to Grindr.

 

Over the months of looking at it, I keep seeing guys that I wonder would be interested in hiring, if presented. I've recently put out a tester profile that implies I'm looking for a certain type of arrangement. So far I've gotten 1 person who asked my rate, but I haven't gotten a follow up reply yet. The rest seem oblivious and even had one guy (before I even mentioned anything) talk some kinky stuff, followed by, "but I don't pay for it." OK dumbo, so why bother?

 

So, it's good that unlike Grindr, there is more room in the profile and the site is a bit lenient...whereas Grindr will edit out even the slightest mentions of anything. However, I'm just not sure how this is gonna go. Part of me worries it could end up being a swap meet with guys expecting $50 and $60 thrills.

 

That seems to be the issue with trying to branch out from the main sites. Trying to get people to understand prices, and much less even want to pay for anything to begin with. But, in many cities around the 600,000 mark in population, escort sites are meager with profiles. Whereas Scruff, there's so many guys on it right in town, lots of older guys which could possibly be client material...So I want to tap into it, but just wanting to see whether others have found any or much success in it.

[Mikegaite]

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/working-scruff.109771/#post-1028533

 

I would agree with your earlier post: Scruff is not worth the time investment, unless you find yourself severely limited by geographic location and lacking other avenues for finding business.

[Mocha]

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/working-scruff.109771/#post-1028533

 

I would agree with your earlier post: Scruff is not worth the time investment, unless you find yourself severely limited by geographic location and lacking other avenues for finding business.

 

Lol, I forgot about that one. Yeah, I've been off of it for many months, but I just want to try it out though, because I do feel Scruff has won over that demographic. But for the most part, my current location isn't getting any hits to my escort ads. Lots of hits on Scruff though, but no serious calls to my ads. Bundle of bullshit...

[Juan Vancouver]

I only like to advertise in sites that are specifically only to hire escorts. I feel like advertising in other sites/apps where escorting is the minority just allows more people to just play games and mess around with escorts fully knowing they never intend on hiring you.

 

Not to mention the fact that sticking to the official venues for advertising lends you an air of professionalism and lets people see that you are respectful or other people's space and rules.

 

People come here to play. I won't ask them to pay. (Tricking someone into being interested in me and then telling him I am charging)

 

People come here to pay, I won't let them play. (Having people contacting me through escorting venues just to toy with me)

 

Personally I find that having very clear boundaries between my personal and professional life is what has helped me to have such a long escorting career without a meltdown. (A very kind poster here very recently described me as the old aging queen of escorts).

 

If I ever go to Scruff, I will make sure that it is because I want to play.

[Irtwo]

This may be stupid question but, can Scruff be downloaded to your computer -- or is it only available as app to your phone? (same question re Grindr). Thanks.

[Nvr2Thick]

I know you're asking for escorts' experience.

 

As I've gotten older I tend to hook up more and hire less. Some of this behavior is because I've become less concerned about being low profile -- I used to discreetly hire an escort from time to time without much worry of being "caught" where now I have no problem screening guys to hook up with. The other reason is because online connections are easier. I think this is something you've alluded to. Ten or more years ago I'd be determining how frequently I could afford to pay an escort $200 - $250 / hour plus tip. These days I troll the apps, the hookup sites, or even Craigslist looking for someone to have fun with. If I don't find anyone worth my while, or anyone who is interested in me I try again another day. Years ago the only way to accomplish the same thing would be to go to the bars, or worse, to risk an awful lot by trolling the cruise spots.

 

In a way Scruff, Grindr, and their predecessors A4A and Manhunt probably have taken away from escorts' clients. As a young, middle-aged, average build white guy I'm able to reach out to hundreds of guys and quickly do about 70% of the necessary screening for a potential "love connection" where before I'd have to leave my home to cross paths with a few dozen guys with a much slower screening process. Because I get a good hit rate with other guys looking for guys I tend to screen out the escorts.

 

Another big difference for me is that it seemed like there was less worry about police stings when meeting escorts 10-20 years ago. I think there's a greater risk of getting stung if you're meeting an unknown escort via the apps. At least that's my perception. I have to put a lot more work into vetting an escort off the apps, meetup sites, Craigslist, or Backpage.

[Juan Vancouver]

In a way Scruff, Grindr, and their predecessors A4A and Manhunt probably have taken away from escorts' clients.

 

I have been escorting a long time. In escort years, which are similar to dog years, it's close to a century. I have been an escort for 11 or 12 years and in my personal experience the amount of clients has not changed in the least bit. The only change I do notice is the style of communication.

 

Before people contacting escorts were matter or factly and communicated in a very efficient, economical matter. Now the "Hi, Hi, Whassup, not much, tired and horny, you? same" kind of (mis)communication is more prevalent.

 

The thing I notice the most that has changed because of the apps, is people treating a professional service with the nonchalance and casualness with which they treat a social hook up.

 

Other than that, it's business as usual, I think.

[Mocha]

The thing I notice the most that has changed because of the apps, is people treating a professional service with the nonchalance and casualness with which they treat a social hook up.

 

Other than that, it's business as usual, I think.

 

Bingo. Exactly. People do seem to contact as if the number they're texting is a profile on Grindr. Fortunently, I have an almost pre typed reply to all these messages. Its like a reminder, "hey I don't know who you are, despite you knowing everything about me. How about we start off with a name and stats".

 

However, I do understand you're in Canada so not sure if that would make a difference as far as amount of clients. Actually, I'm sure it would make a BIG difference. Like never too thick said, how often do stings happen in CAD versus US?

 

And just to be clear....I don't do all the "get to know them then say I'm an escort" trickery. I don't have time for all that. I make it clear in my profile, and then get to it in 5 responses or less. Anything more gets cut off. I won't even give them a number unless they know the deal.

[Mocha]

I only like to advertise in sites that are specifically only to hire escorts. I feel like advertising in other sites/apps where escorting is the minority just allows more people to just play games and mess around with escorts fully knowing they never intend on hiring you.

 

True...but would that include adam4adam? I have over the years met enough clients on adam4adam to where if I didn't use it, that would be a huge net loss because they likely would have not found the escort sites in time. And that's the reason WHY I want to branch from the escort sites a little. Yeah, there is a bit of headache involved, but hell...I get just as much bullcrap from the regular escort sites as any of the others. Atleast with scruff, I don't have my number displayed to give them easier access to bullshit me.

 

The problem with escort sites is guys look on there, see someone, hire...and then 2 months later it's the same guys. So they stop checking every night. They're looking every few MONTHS. That's way too much time going by. Atleast that's the case in small 600,000 population or less towns. I believe the gay American White guy client has become decadent. They've been spoiled so much by apps, that the escort sites aren't always filling the need for 24/7 eye candy. That's why men4rent has fallen to the wayside so much and rentmen is the last man standing. Unlike Juan, I have noticed a big change in the amount of clients nationwide. I went to 9 different cities last month and just about every one was remarkedly slower than years past. Dead, dead, dead. I couldn't even plan a trip to San Francisco because the lack and quality of responses was like I've never seen before in past visits. And the change seems to have filled these flimsy app sites to the brim. Escorts are going to have to cunningly infiltrate these sites or make our own if we're going to save the business for the future. Because app sex is the future.

 

So far, it's been going okay. like I say, I just want to test it out. Even if I don't get anything directly from it, maybe if a client sees my ad on a regular escort site and then contacts me on Scruff, that could open some doors. However...I know how I am, after a month I'll probably be over it and delete my profile. Hopefully by then I'll been have moved on to a city where people actually CONTACT their escorts on the main sites. Either that or come into some real money. Definitely doesn't seem to be any real money in escorting right now. Atleast not in towns where it "used" to be. They've all been sucked up and swallowed by these gaping wide hookup apps.

 

This may be stupid question but, can Scruff be downloaded to your computer -- or is it only available as app to your phone? (same question re Grindr). Thanks.

 

App only. Or iPad.

[MscleLovr]

I agree with a lot of what Nvr2Thick wrote. His observation "As I've gotten older I tend to hook up more and hire less" resonated particularly with me. I'm an old man but fit and in decent shape, and I get a lot of hits from young men 21-35 looking for a 'Daddy' using the various apps and craigslist. It's very rare that any ask for financial help.

[Mocha]

I agree with a lot of what Nvr2Thick wrote. His observation "As I've gotten older I tend to hook up more and hire less" resonated particularly with me. I'm an old man but fit and in decent shape, and I get a lot of hits from young men 21-35 looking for a 'Daddy' using the various apps and craigslist. It's very rare that any ask for financial help.

 

So you're saying escorts are looking for "financial help?"

 

But, why are you guys even on here then if you're clearly getting all these younger daddy chasers after you? To me it just doesn't make any sense.

 

Just be careful though with the daddy chaser types. Some of these guys aren't just into the fetish. They really are looking for an older man to fill the void of an absent father. You may not be paying now, but you may certainly be paying later. It may not be financially, it could be worse. I personally knew one myself, he would often latch onto these "daddies" because his father died when he was young. Most of the times, he'd be expecting a lot of something for a little nothing from these daddies. The daddies just wanted to fuck, and they should have been hiring escorts....but these dumb boys think they can cheat their way into daddy's "security" by giving them samples of what they want, without asking any money in return. Please. These daddies will fuck the shit out of them and turn em lose for the next.

 

They don't ask for financial help because they try to look strong, independent and non-needy in the beginning. But...they're only doing that so you can trust them and then BOOM. Next thing you know, $5,000 off your credit card.

[Mocha]

As a follow up...I checked massagem4m.com in Nashville. A year or 2 ago, there used to be about 5-10 masseurs on the site I believe. I was one, and actually did okay in the area on that site. I just checked now...NOT ONE SINGLE ADVERTISER in the whole city of Nashville on Massagem4m. Coming here has been a complete setup up for failure. I'm getting the hell out.

[josh282282]

Mocha reading your posts in your various incarnations on this site over the years you always come across as angry and with a huge chip on your shoulder

 

+10

[Mocha]

You're absolutely right. I wouldn't doubt you for a second. If it wasn't me, I'd be asking the same question. But it is me, and i have the power to distinguish fact from fiction.

 

Since you have the answers, I'll go thru my archives and email to you every client over the past 7 years who has contacted me, and I'll include the amounts I've made in cities on a line graph from start to current. From there you can go thru and contact each one individually and ask the very same questions you asked me. And maybe, you can see what they have to say about me.

 

I doubt you'd have the resources to do all that, so instead of coming at me on the same defunct bullshit that you've bought up before, as if you have all the answers, maybe you should just shut up, look at the fucking facts, and stop being so goddamn critical.

 

When i speak shit, I'm basing it off observations and facts. If you don't like it, quit stalking my posts and keep it moving bitch.

 

You think you've seen angry. You've not seen angry. Angry is when someone comes thru an iPad like candyman and cut a bitch. But, that would make me look angry. So maybe not.

 

Mocha reading your posts in your various incarnations on this site over the years you always come across as angry and with a huge chip on your shoulder. You're quick to blame others or external factors (perceived racism, availability of "free" sex, unfriendly cities....) for your lack of successes. I'm just wondering if this style of communication comes across subconsciously in your communications with potential clients. If so, that might be one reason they're sometimes not anxious to "seal the deal".

[Nvr2Thick]

But, why are you guys even on here then if you're clearly getting all these younger daddy chasers after you? To me it just doesn't make any sense.

 

Just be careful though with the daddy chaser types. Some of these guys aren't just into the fetish. They really are looking for an older man to fill the void of an absent father...

 

I know that your response is more geared toward MscleLovr, but here's how I fit in:

I still see escorts from time to time, but I don't really require the company of a top notch companion. I was hiring escorts because it was a dependable way of meeting a man. Even when I was a somewhat cute, thinner clean cut guy in my late 20's the amazingly handsome and well built escorts weren't my primary target. I was looking strictly for a top man's demeanor, a likeable personality, and a big dick. In the '90s I met a lot of B-list hung escorts who were regular oversexed guys and who enjoyed the prospect of random encounters with appreciative, grateful, repressed bottom clients. For lack of a better metaphor, I was looking for a decent hamburger joint and not a five-star restaurant. Every now and then though I'd treat myself to the A-list. These days I can use online hookup methods to find my hamburger. In the old days I'd cruise the peep shows near Times Square without much success, or I'd find a $100-$150 rough trade escort from the gay bar magazine classifieds.

 

I'm still on here because every now and then I get the urge for a scene with a guy who is way out of my league, and who I wouldn't stand a chance of meeting through an online hookup. I usually do this when I travel. That's when I hire a top-notch, five star, A-list escort.

 

Unlike MscleLovr I don't specifically seek out daddy chasers. As I get older I do find that some of the guys I meet are young men who get into topping or feeding older men. Some of the rough trade straight guys like meeting up with older men because we're less prone to drama, we can often have more comfortable and clean places, or we can afford hotels. You're absolutely right, some of these younger guys are absent a father figure and to varying degrees are attracted to my maturity. These are hookups, not dates. As a result I'm less likely to deal with a prolonged attachment.

 

As a follow up...I checked massagem4m.com in Nashville. A year or 2 ago, there used to be about 5-10 masseurs on the site I believe. I was one, and actually did okay in the area on that site. I just checked now...NOT ONE SINGLE ADVERTISER in the whole city of Nashville on Massagem4m. Coming here has been a complete setup up for failure. I'm getting the hell out.

 

Nashville has never been a good town for escorts or masseurs. Masseurfinder has a few, but I was kind of surprised to see that MassageM4M dwindled to zero. I don't think that there have been much more than five at any given time. I know that the police force has had a reputation for stings and busts. With all of the music industry and ancillary creative industries I'd expect more M4M demand. I've wondered if it's gone underground. Nashville is booming, but the escort scene has not followed that boom. As you've noted, housing prices are spinning out of control. Most anyone in the services industries and/or lower-middle income is getting priced out of the urban core, or ends up renting a bedroom in a shared home and not being able to afford a private apartment.

 

I can see that you're trying to "ask an Escort" to help you figure out how to adapt your business to these technology changes. I could be wrong, but I wonder if the ease of online hookups is making some segments of escorting obsolete. In my situation I'm not settling for less; I'm getting into encounters that better suit my desires.

[MscleLovr]

Just to clarify, given the responses of Mocha and Nvr2Thick above:

 

Mocha said: "So you're saying escorts are looking for "financial help?"

 

That's NOT what I wrote. I observed that I've not had requests for money from young men approaching me online. I understand that escorts are working guys who charge for their services

 

Mocha said: "But, why are you guys even on here then if you're clearly getting all these younger daddy chasers after you? To me it just doesn't make any sense."

 

I've followed this site for years. When I was younger and between boyfriends, I hired often and I submitted an extensive number of reviews (under another screen-name). I continue to read the forum and stay in touch with some online friends here. It's how I was alerted to the considerable charms of Michael M in LA and, more recently, spent time with a handsome young model and also with an Australian personal trainer.

 

Mocha said: "Just be careful though with the daddy chaser types. Some of these guys aren't just into the fetish. They really are looking for an older man to fill the void of an absent father. You may not be paying now".................they try to look strong, independent and non-needy in the beginning. But...they're only doing that so you can trust them and then BOOM. Next thing you know, $5,000 off your credit card."

 

You may be correct in your assertions but it's not my experience. The only time I've ever been physically threatened was when I was on my 4th date with a professional still-working escort who'd urged me previously to let him stay overnight. It transpired that the escort has a drug problem and I threw him out once I realised.

 

Lastly, I do NOT "specifically seek out daddy chasers" as Nvr2Thick suggested. When I'm using the online apps and Craigslist, I mention that I'm attracted to handsome muscled young men, that I like to connect with guys I fuck, and that I'm seeking a boyfriend. That seems to strike a chord with younger guys. I'm happy to pay for my pleasures in life and if that's taking a guy out to dinner or buying clothes or on a trip abroad, I'm relaxed about it. When I was in my 20s, I had no interest in men in their 40s/50s. Now I'm grateful that some nice young men are keen to meet me.

[Nvr2Thick]

 

Lastly, I do NOT "specifically seek out daddy chasers" as Nvr2Thick suggested.

 

You're right and I apologize. I was paraphrasing too quickly and sloppily.

[MscleLovr]

No apology is needed but Thank You anyway.

[Mocha]

Was that a threat?

 

Mocha against my better judgement (and against the advice of other members of the forum) I posted what I hoped would be thoughtful advice to someone who clearly needs it. Instead, true to form, you took it as a personal attack and replied in kind.

 

Don't bother replying to this post for I won't see it. You've been moved to ignore.

 

Thank you, God Thank you. He should of done that long time ago. Nothing in that advice was thoughtful. It wasn't even relevant to the thread and didn't contain any alternatives. The rest of the advice here has been helpful, and I'll consider all answers.

[instudiocity]

+10

You're wasting your keystrokes, Joey/Mocha never seems his errors.

[Nvr2Thick]

This post and the subsequent dialog seemed interesting, respectful, and productive. I saw no reason to bring up the past.

[Mocha]

You're wasting your keystrokes, Joey/Mocha never seems his errors.

 

Look who's talking...and don't blame it on the iPad.

 

This post and the subsequent dialog seemed interesting, respectful, and productive. I saw no reason to bring up the past.

 

Thankyou. I was just pointing out something interesting. If anything, I was specifically referring to many of the hot 40s and 50s clients that I used to see more often back in the days. Not that I turn away someone who doesn't look like Bradley Cooper, but I used to get a few Bradley Coopers hire me every couple weeks or blue moon, but now it looks like they're all on scruff.

[Michael Wayne]

instead of nitpicking and personal attacks why don't we address the actual thread??? The point is absolutely 100% correct. The apps are terrible for the upscale high end "A or B list" escorts. I find it hilarious when escort friends of mine boast in public about "being booked up full all week or I am booked the next 6 weekends" and then I call them on a Saturday night at 10 pm just to bull shit with them and privately they tell me "Mikey, I haven't had a call in 5 days....no, not even one!" Guys are trying to be brave since Rentboy died and trying to create the illusion of being busy like a restaurant who wont take reservations so there is a line outside at 530 pm but when you get inside half the tables are empty and are still empty when u leave at 7. These are DARK days in the escort biz. The only thing keeping me in biz successfully is over 20 years of building a regular client list all over the USA. I don't see how the younger guys are making it and , frankly, with very few exceptions, most ARE NOT making it. They are taking day jobs to supplement their income or opening small businesses. Some are retiring and unemployed. Most are burning through their savings at an alarming rates. Others engage in a futile attempt at securing a sugar daddy. The APPS are largely responsible for creating this mess as is Craigslist. Great escorts are dinasaurs and a dying breed. I hate to say it but technology is leading to mass extention of the species. I am sure escorts will respond to this and say I am full of shit and they are booked a month in advance but CALL EM ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AT 11PM AND YOU WILL GET A BOOKING RIGHT NOW! LOL just callin em like I see em and reporting from the front lines of the worlds' oldest profession: Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

[LADoug1]

instead of nitpicking and personal attacks why don't we address the actual thread??? The point is absolutely 100% correct. The apps are terrible for the upscale high end "A or B list" escorts. I find it hilarious when escort friends of mine boast in public about "being booked up full all week or I am booked the next 6 weekends" and then I call them on a Saturday night at 10 pm just to bull shit with them and privately they tell me "Mikey, I haven't had a call in 5 days....no, not even one!" Guys are trying to be brave since Rentboy died and trying to create the illusion of being busy like a restaurant who wont take reservations so there is a line outside at 530 pm but when you get inside half the tables are empty and are still empty when u leave at 7. These are DARK days in the escort biz. The only thing keeping me in biz successfully is over 20 years of building a regular client list all over the USA. I don't see how the younger guys are making it and , frankly, with very few exceptions, most ARE NOT making it. They are taking day jobs to supplement their income or opening small businesses. Some are retiring and unemployed. Most are burning through their savings at an alarming rates. Others engage in a futile attempt at securing a sugar daddy. The APPS are largely responsible for creating this mess as is Craigslist. Great escorts are dinasaurs and a dying breed. I hate to say it but technology is leading to mass extention of the species. I am sure escorts will respond to this and say I am full of shit and they are booked a month in advance but CALL EM ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AT 11PM AND YOU WILL GET A BOOKING RIGHT NOW! LOL just callin em like I see em and reporting from the front lines of the worlds' oldest profession: Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

Wow. I always like what you post. But in this case I hope you're mistaken.

[MiamiLooker]

The APPS are largely responsible for creating this mess as is Craigslist.

The now defunct AOL chatrooms were the major game changer. At least, they were for me. Before them, I hired almost exclusively from the local gay mag, Hotspots, or from the Advocate. I've never hired off Rentboy, M4RN or Rentmen.