Tranny

[AndreFuture]

yes you are correct there is freedom of speech. there is also just being an asshole

I always see certain types of people evoke "Freedom of speech" to avoid accountability for what they say, yet it's clear they don't understand what the US Constitution (which is not some universal law that really means much on an international forum) actually has to say about that freedom.

 

Freedom of speech applies solely to the US government, meaning the government can't punish you for most kinds of speech —even that is not an absolute right. What the government can't punish in that regard, the general public certainly can. Yet when we respond accordingly, up go the cries of "PC police!" It's as if these people forget everyone else has this "freedom of speech" to call out hateful or discriminatory language. I think "Freedom to offend without repercussions" would be a more accurate description of what they're seeking.

[AndreFuture]

Perhaps a useful analogy for the "I'm not offended so everyone else must be hypersensitive" types:

 

Say I was into very aggressive S&M. Could you imagine me interjecting in a conversation about domestic violence or rape or police brutality with, "I don't get upset if I'm punched or strangled or forced to have sex. In fact my good friends do it all the time and it doesn't bother me. All these hypersensitive PC police need to lighten up"?

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Because this thread has taken on such a confrontational mode, I remind everyone that Jock123's original post included "I hope I'm not offending anyone."

[MikeyGMin]

Because this thread has taken on such a confrontational mode, I remind everyone that Jock123's original post included "I hope I'm not offending anyone."

 

After that first response, I don't think any of this was directed at him. I hope that @Jock123 doesn't think it is. He's young and hasn't had much exposure to this kind of thing. He has a trans friend that might call herself tranny for all we know. It's trying to invoke that old albatross of "don't be so PC" that people have reacted so negatively to. Poor Jock hasn't said a word and probably regrets ever starting this thread!

[rvwnsd]

Perhaps a useful analogy for the "I'm not offended so everyone else must be hypersensitive" types:

 

Say I was into very aggressive S&M. Could you imagine me interjecting in a conversation about domestic violence or rape or police brutality with, "I don't get upset if I'm punched or strangled or forced to have sex. In fact my good friends do it all the time and it doesn't bother me. All these hypersensitive PC police need to lighten up"?

 

I agree with you 100%, FTM_Twink. However, read some of the replies to the posts on sexual abuse and rape and you will see arguments that are similar in spirit, albeit not quite as blatant as the example you provided.

 

"Political Correctness" is a term that has become co-opted and applied to any attempt at correcting speech that is demeaning or bigoted. The term was originally applied to the practice of referring to short people as being "vertically challenged," tall people as "vertically enhanced," disabled people as "differently abled," and so forth, not the elimination of bigotry. I grew up during the time where people were transitioning away from using terms like "kike," "polock," "wetback," and "fudge packer," not to mention the "n- word." My parents didn't talk like that and they certainly would not tolerate that speech from my brother and me. Likewise, I NEVER heard my parents use terms like "tranny" or "fag." If my late mother were reading this thread, she would chalk that kind of talk up to bad home training.

 

I wonder what some of these people's mothers would think of them right now.

[Kuriousity]

I know how he feels.

 

Courtesy of seaboy4hire & glennn, I gave it some thought after chats with them & decided to return. For those of you bothered by what the kid said, feel free to block him. He was not going on an anti-trans rant. Unless you yourself are trans, then nothing he fucking said applies to any of you....stop trying to slam the man's dick with a sledgehammer.

[+ WmClarke]

I know how he feels.

 

Courtesy of seaboy4hire & glennn, I gave it some thought after chats with them & decided to return. For those of you bothered by what the kid said, feel free to block him. He was not going on an anti-trans rant. Unless you yourself are trans, then nothing he fucking said applies to any of you....stop trying to slam the man's dick with a sledgehammer.

Glad you're back, K.

[AndreFuture]

I don't think blocking someone is an option this forum, but "ignoring" certainly is. Makes for a much more pleasant reading experience.

[Kuriousity]

I don't think blocking someone is an option this forum, but "ignoring" certainly is. Makes for a much more pleasant reading experience.

 

Sorry, kiddo....my fingers & brain were not on the same page....but point taken

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Because this thread has taken on such a confrontational mode, I remind everyone that Jock123's original post included "I hope I'm not offending anyone."

 

just saying I hope I don't offend you doesn't make it ok and i actually call bullshit on his original post. He says he has a friend that is a transsexual girl and that she tells him that she is overbooked. Yet he calls them Trannys and guys in dresses. If he really knew a transgendered woman he would know enough not to call them either of these names. It seems like a way to get people riled up more than a legitimate question. If it was a legitimate question the why use such inflammatory language.

 

Its also funny that a subsequent poster then throws out the PC shield like it is a bad thing to be concerned about other peoples feelings and using the correct terminology or vernacular. Why is that a bad thing?

[Kuriousity]

just saying I hope I don't offend you doesn't make it ok and i actually call bullshit on his original post. He says he has a friend that is a transsexual girl and that she tells him that she is overbooked. Yet he calls them Trannys and guys in dresses. If he really knew a transgendered woman he would know enough not to call them either of these names. It seems like a way to get people riled up more than a legitimate question. If it was a legitimate question the why use such inflammatory language.

 

Its also funny that a subsequent poster then throws out the PC shield like it is a bad thing to be concerned about other peoples feelings and using the correct terminology or vernacular. Why is that a bad thing?

 

Here's a thought--put him on Ignore. In fact, every motherfucker on this board who says something you don't like, put their fucking asses on Ignore too....and PLEASE include me on that list. No one has a right to not hear or see things that offend them. Life is offensive. You can close off the parts that irritate you, and then you move the fuck on...

 

CAN WE ALL PLEASE JUST KILL THIS GOD_DAMNED THREAD?

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ust saying I hope I don't offend you doesn't make it ok and i actually call bullshit on his original post. He says he has a friend that is a transsexual girl and that she tells him that she is overbooked. Yet he calls them Trannys and guys in dresses. If he really knew a transgendered woman he would know enough not to call them either of these names. It seems like a way to get people riled up more than a legitimate question. If it was a legitimate question the why use such inflammatory language.

 

Its also funny that a subsequent poster then throws out the PC shield like it is a bad thing to be concerned about other peoples feelings and using the correct terminology or vernacular. Why is that a bad thing?

 

Those appear to be legitimate questions to pose to the individuals before making judgements.

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Here's a thought--put him on Ignore. In fact, every motherfucker on this board who says something you don't like, put their fucking asses on Ignore too....and PLEASE include me on that list. No one has a right to not hear or see things that offend them. Life is offensive. You can close off the parts that irritate you, and then you move the fuck on...

 

CAN WE ALL PLEASE JUST KILL THIS GOD_DAMNED THREAD?

 

Just because I think somebody is acting like an asshole doesn't mean I am going to put them on ignore. So I didn't like what Jock said in this post. Big freaking deal. I don't want to silence him or never hear his comments again. Why would somebody want to be on a message board that everybody agrees with them and says exactly what they want? Sounds like 1984. I welcome people disagreeing with me that is the only way I will learn about myself and about others. You seem to have a ton of anger directed at me and others. Ignore me if you want, no impact to me. I feel sorry for you for having so much anger and to have the knee jerk reaction to ignore somebody permanently because they disagree with you or don't say exactly what you want to hear. It must be a very lonely life you lead. And if you don't like the thread, don't read it.

[Brian Kevin]

My two cents.

 

1cent of 2 cents: I have some trans friends, both M to F and F to M. They're wonderful (strictly platonic)

 

2nd cent of 2 cents: Trans have typically been through a hell of a lot more than just your average run of the mill straight or gay guy or girl.

 

Its an extreme fetish. Some of their prices make some of us look cheap.

 

I would riddle you this, do not rub the trans community the wrong way. They are a very tight knit pack and once you piss one off, especially if they know you work, you've pissed them all off.

 

Just play nice and who knows maybe there is a pair of ruby red pumps waiting for you Jock. I'd happily teach you how to walk in them!

 

Side Note: being athletic and muscular and fit doesn't mean shit! Sure some guys like and want that, but you need something that makes you unique a product you use, treatments you preform and skills you've acquired over the years. You must think outside the box.

 

What other websites are you using? Feel free to private message me, let's see if we can get your calls up a little.

 

Oh yeah PS: trans have been around longer than 'gay' or 'escorting' trans were the first people to make the way for stonewall, gay marriage and gay rights. There are so many trans whom have gotten us to where we are, and many of us don't know even know their names. You must approach all situations with an open mind. Just because you're their friend doesn't mean you have to have sex.

[+ glennnn]

I'm hesitant to comment.... But there seems to be an assumption that ALL members of a particular group agree as to what terminology is acceptable for that group world wide. I mean, calling me a queer doesn't bother me, but it deeply disturbs other homosexuals. For me, it depends on the tone and context. Remember, "We're here. We're queer"?

I guess what I'm saying is it is up to each different physical, ethnic, sexual, political, etc group and the induviduals of that group to work out what is acceptable and what is an attack. If I chose to call myself a faggot and you don't, do you have the right to criticize me or my friends who might use the term. Nothing was said about you.The same is true for transgender people. Do I get to decide what terms are used to identify them? Is there one term accepted by every indivudual globally?

 

Please! pLEASE! Use your anger on anyone who is demeaning or disparaging any individuals or groups purposefully regardless of the correct or incorrect terms being used. I think we are all here to seek enlightenment. Ive never met a transgendered person that I know of and I would be sàd if I said something hurtful. I'm willing to learn, but the best guidance to what is acceptable will come from that transgendered individual. The next individual may prefer something else. I will try to be respectful in each case.

 

It's a new world with new rules. Innocent mistakes will be made. Give each other time to learn, and as a teacher I believe yelling at people is not the most effective way to change hearts and minds. (A blanket apology is included for those I just offended. I admit I am pretty ignorant).

[Kenny]

I remind everyone that Jock123's original post included "I hope I'm not offending anyone."

More hopes dashed.

[big-n-tall]

Riddle me this....

 

I know a Transexual girl who is an Escort who told me she was so Overbooked...she started Refering potential clients to Other Transexuals...THAT is how much "Work" she is getting.

 

In the meantime I am Athletic, Masculine and am lucky to even get booked...CONFUSED. I know I dont live Ina Big City but whats with a Guy In a Dress getting more work than me...I hope I'm not Offending anyone I just am now realizing this is a "Thing"

 

Have any of You Hired a Tranny? Is this a new Fetish??

 

Dear sweet, sexy Jock.... (I'm assuming. I remain skeptical until I see you bare ass naked on a bed in front of me.) I'm going to answer your last questions first, then move to what you opened with.

 

No. I have never hired one. And no, it's not a new fetish. For, some, it's not a fetish at all.

 

As for the business aspect of hiring someone transgendered/transsexual... as I'm sure you know, people hire for all sorts of reasons. People are attracted to all sorts of types. There are guys who will tell you they are straight and won't have sex with a guy, but will with a pre-op male to female transsexual. I think this is more common than people think. Also her demographic is more than likely different than yours.

 

Anyway, as it relates to you, this is not a knock on you in anyway, you seem to be limiting yourself in the amount of people who hire you. Just look at your interaction here... I'm sure you have been doggedly pursued with people interested in meeting you. Me being one of them. Maybe what you're not doing, but your friend is, is advertising or putting yourself out there more to get those clients. That's were the problem lies. You have mentioned in previous posts you want to be low key because of your military service. So even if you're the hottest, sexiest, most passionate man in the universe... No one will know if they don't have access to you or know you exist.

 

So I echo what Brian said, if you want more business, you're going to have be willing to put yourself out there more (by whatever means) to get it. I'll be one of the first newbies when you do.

[Jock123]

Guys....

 

First off like I mentioned I wasnt Trying to be Offensive...Simply by saying "A guy In A Dress" I was TOTALLY wrong for this and do Apologize. The only reason I put it this way Is because my FRIEND(Whom Identifies as Transgender) calls herself this all the Time...Even though shes compltely Trasitioned(And says it Jokingly)

 

 

Was I Ignorant..YES...Hateful...I dont have an Ounce of Hate In my Body. Sorry again and thank You to all who put me In my Place...Sometimes all You need is a little Tough Love:)

[Jock123]

Anyway, as it relates to you, this is not a knock on you in anyway, you seem to be limiting yourself in the amount of people who hire you. Just look at your interaction here... I'm sure you have been doggedly pursued with people interested in meeting you. Me being one of them. Maybe what you're not doing, but your friend is, is advertising or putting yourself out there more to get those clients. That's were the problem lies. You have mentioned in previous posts you want to be low key because of your military service. So even if you're the hottest, sexiest, most passionate man in the universe... No one will know if they don't have access to you or know you exist.

 

 

You're right. It took me a few months to realize this...Its totally the Website I've been using since Rentboy shut down.

[AndreFuture]

I'm hesitant to comment.... But there seems to be an assumption that ALL members of a particular group agree as to what terminology is acceptable for that group world wide. I mean, calling me a queer doesn't bother me, but it deeply disturbs other homosexuals. For me, it depends on the tone and context. Remember, "We're here. We're queer"?

I guess what I'm saying is it is up to each different physical, ethnic, sexual, political, etc group and the induviduals of that group to work out what is acceptable and what is an attack. If I chose to call myself a faggot and you don't, do you have the right to criticize me or my friends who might use the term. Nothing was said about you.The same is true for transgender people. Do I get to decide what terms are used to identify them? Is there one term accepted by every indivudual globally?

 

Please! pLEASE! Use your anger on anyone who is demeaning or disparaging any individuals or groups purposefully regardless of the correct or incorrect terms being used. I think we are all here to seek enlightenment. Ive never met a transgendered person that I know of and I would be sàd if I said something hurtful. I'm willing to learn, but the best guidance to what is acceptable will come from that transgendered individual. The next individual may prefer something else. I will try to be respectful in each case.

 

It's a new world with new rules. Innocent mistakes will be made. Give each other time to learn, and as a teacher I believe yelling at people is not the most effective way to change hearts and minds. (A blanket apology is included for those I just offended. I admit I am pretty ignorant).

 

That's true, language and self identity can vary depending on an individual basis.

 

Generally though, there are certain words/phrases that folks would consider derogatory, hence the very term "derogatory language." Some people within the targeted group might try to reclaim that word for themselves. I'd say queer* is certainly one of those words, as is fag and tranny. If some try to reclaim that word, I'd err on the side of caution and assume that if a word has consistently been used as a slur against a group I'm not a part of, I don't get the green light to start using it because some members of that group do.

 

As someone who is transgender*, I see how the word tranny is typically used by cisgender folks: disparagingly (because they hate the existence of trans people) or with the intent to objectify (because they want to have sex with or sexualize trans people). Those who use it innocently usually have heard it in porn/sex contexts (usually because they don't know any trans people) and think it's the "appropriate" term. That kind of ignorance can be easily cleared with a "tranny is a problematic word. You should use trans woman instead." When someone starts coupling that with "shemale" and "guys in dresses", it seems less of an innocent mistake and more like the typical disparaging usage.

 

 

 

*Funny enough, queer is an odd one (pun intended) because of its regular academic use by queer/feminist scholars. I think this academic use is part of why it's been easier to reclaim and is in fact moving (slowly) towards being mainstream.

 

**Might as well take this as an educational moment: " transgender" is an adjective, not a verb. Thus you would say "She is a transgender woman" and not "she is a transgendered woman". I wouldn't say it's disparaging per se, but the latter does look rather silly.

[Jock123]

I'm so sorry [uSER=12528]@FTM_Twink[/uSER] It was an Ignorant post....Feel free to have a Tyra moment on me:(

 

 

[AndreFuture]

The only reason I put it this way Is because my FRIEND(Whom Identifies as Transgender) calls herself this all the Time...Even though shes compltely Trasitioned(And says it Jokingly)

 

FYI (so you don't get flamed again): if someone uses a derogatory phrase in a self-mocking way like that, you really shouldn't use it! If you're not part of the group, that self isn't there and all that's left is mocking, even if that wasn't your intention, you know?

[AndreFuture]

I'm so sorry [uSER=12528]@FTM_Twink[/uSER] It was an Ignorant post....Feel free to have a Tyra moment on me:(

 

 

It was a learning opportunity…and it seems you've learned the lesson well

[+ Truereview]

This thread has been a wreck from the start. I kinda hoped @Jock123 would post quicker but like usual, he made me sweat it. I'm gonna hold this against you, @Jock123. I expect you to make it up to me and Andre ([uSER=12528]@FTM_Twink[/uSER] ) when I take you both out to lunch in DC some day in the near future? I'll fly you in.

 

Now let me invoke @geminibear and lets rub it together with something something.

[Jock123]

This thread has been a wreck from the start.

 

Looking back It was a Complete Wreck and very Insensitive. For me It was an Innocent Curiosity but the Terminology used was WAY off. Not to mention I had been Drinking when I Posted it(Not an Escuse).I wish there was a way to Delete a Thread( Or I just havent figured out how to do so yet.) If I was on the other side of the Fence I would assume the Original Poster(Myself) was a complete Douche. Not a good look.