Dumb Jock: Part I

[jackhammer91406]

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>JH: Why don't you address the issue of whether or not this

>escort has broken the golden rule of client discretion and

>stop worrying if people are taking sides.

 

Will all due respect Mr. Cooper, I am pretty sure I did that when I wrote in my second post on this thread:

 

Without a name or a city or a ball club specified, the closeted ballplayer is still just that. Don't see that it breaks any rules regarding discretion. Sorry.

 

Now, for those who don't see it the same, OK. That's fair. But last time I looked, I was still entitled to my own opinion.

[jackhammer91406]

>

>JH: Why don't you address the issue of whether or not this

>escort has broken the golden rule of client discretion and

>stop worrying if people are taking sides.

 

Will all due respect Mr. Cooper, I am pretty sure I did that when I wrote in my second post on this thread:

 

Without a name or a city or a ball club specified, the closeted ballplayer is still just that. Don't see that it breaks any rules regarding discretion. Sorry.

 

Now, for those who don't see it the same, OK. That's fair. But last time I looked, I was still entitled to my own opinion.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Better Part Of Valor

 

Different people can have divergent opinions on how to best ethically handle the question of the discretion an escort owes a client. Obviously, the clients on this site often want escorts named in stories where they feel the clients have the right to be warned about a particular escort's behavior. Clients also frequently comment on, both positively and negatively, about escorts. Additionally, message boards such as this one are replete with comments about the famous and the near famous: whether or not they are gay or straight, how hot they are or are not, and so forth.

 

The last type of postings are pure gossip, and generally speculative. Personally, I would never have created such a post on the basis that my clients behavior in providing me with a kindness was "fair game." However, I do not feel Bobby "broke" the discretion rules, he merely "bent" them in order to share a story. Whether sharing that story was genuinely necessary can be (and apparently has become) sport for others to determine, but all of you have to admit that without such stories, this site has not been getting many threads with high "eye ball" counts or replies.

 

Finally, as someone who has done it, I think there are instances where it is totally appropriate for both clients and escorts to discuss experiences they have had on this site and believe this can be done without violation of anyone's discretion. Often, such example are used in ASK THE ESCORT queries or elsewhere to illustrate or otherwise help bring an issue into focus. I would not wish to discourage that type of behavior.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Kensignton Books

 

>My buddy noticed first -- we were

>surrounded by young, very attractive women. I realized real

>fast that we were section reserved for players’ families.

...

>But then

>some of the ladies starting talking to us and wanted to know

>how we knew him. I just realized that the players had

>assigned seats and everyone there knew that we were in my

>clients assigned seats and they were talking to me about him.

>I couldn’t play dumb nor could I say I bought them from a

>scalper out front. I came up with a stupid story that my

>cousin gave them to me and I think she was hanging out with

>some baseball players but I did not know for sure and I did

>not know which ones.

 

This is straight out of a short novella currently available from the Harlequin Romance section of your local gay bookstore, except it was a football player. Unfortunately, I forget the title, but I bet Bobby knows it.

[Luv2play]

Personally, I thought this was a great story and did not violate anyone's privacy, except that of the escort who related it (and that was his perogative to do). We don't have any way of knowing who the ball player is so how can anyone be "hurt" by the telling of this story, except the supposed "macho" image of all professional ball players, and as a gay man, I don't subscribe to defending this homophobic attitude so prevalent in the mass media.

 

I am not surprised that the "trophy" girlfriends and wives of the other players were inordinantly curious as to who was occupying those seats reserved for friends and family of the players. I guess they want to know who their "competition" is. Really! Asking for names from complete strangers! Such impudence! I would have told them it was NONE of their business!

[Prime Muscle]

RE: Kensignton Books

 

Damn that's harsh. It's easy to accuse someone of lying but I noticed you didn't back it up with any proof what so ever. I'm not sure what is worse - you accusing me of lying or accusing me of being on the same reading and intellectual level as you.

[Prime Muscle]

I’m always amazed how easy some guys give away their true identity when they go through such elaborate games to stay discrete. Obviously I’m not going to mention any names and I’m not going to mention the teams or dates, etc. But the stupidity is fair game.

 

A potential client contacted me and we traded the usual information and pictures. He was a professional baseball player and somewhat overly concerned with discretion but we finally set up an appointment. He was young, in awesome shape, and not concerned with the money aspect. We met mid-day. I’ve been with professional baseball players before and know they get bored as hell during the day so I was guessing this was the case although he never confirmed it. We had a great time together and as I was leaving he asked me if I like baseball. Obviously I said yeah – love it – I go to as many games as I can. Without hesitation - he offers me two tickets.

 

I took the tickets and didn’t think anything about it. I grab a buddy and we head to the ballpark. Awesome seats – right behind home plate. My buddy noticed first -- we were surrounded by young, very attractive women. I realized real fast that we were section reserved for players’ families. No big deal – no one knew who I was but I quickly found my client from earlier in the day. His baseball stats were equally as impressive as his stats that I discovered earlier in the day and he looked hot in his tight uniform pants. Of course, his secret was safe as I wasn’t going to say anything. But then some of the ladies starting talking to us and wanted to know how we knew him. I just realized that the players had assigned seats and everyone there knew that we were in my clients assigned seats and they were talking to me about him. I couldn’t play dumb nor could I say I bought them from a scalper out front. I came up with a stupid story that my cousin gave them to me and I think she was hanging out with some baseball players but I did not know for sure and I did not know which ones. They filled me in on which player and then they drilled me about my cousin – just like high school wanting to know the love secrets. Of course I just made up the cousin thing but they wanted to know what she looked like, her name, etc. Hey – my buddy bought the story.

[Guest AlohaGuy]

RE: dumb jock post

 

1. No, I have no proof that you're lying, but this "dumb jock" story has a porn-mag-fantasy quality to it that just doesn't come off as credible. Also, the "right behind home plate" detail is off, since no team in the majors puts their family & friends seats in such a prime, high-revenue section. I have my doubts about the truthfulness of this story, but that's just my opinion. Hey, I could be wrong.

 

2. Giving you the benefit of a doubt that all is true ... although you never reveal the player's name, you do give enough specifics to possibly give away the player's identity. You are located in Kansas City, and based on the chummy inquisitiveness of the other people in the F&F seats, you were sitting in the home team section. What if a regular or semi-regular comped guest in that section spotted you in Player X's free seats (all regulars in the F&F section knows which seats belong to which player) and then later read your post on this message board? Granted, the possibility is a bit remote, but the world can be a crazy-small place sometimes. Your post on this message board has then revealed the identity of the player, his sexuality, and his use of escorts. Simply withholding the player's name does not guarantee confidentiality and discretion. And how do you know the player himself won't hap upon your post? Even if he doesn't currently read/know about this message board, MLBers do a lot of web surfing, and he might come across it in the future.

 

3. I am rather put off by the way you talk about your client. You describe him as a really nice, really hot guy, the kind of client I would think any escort would be damn grateful to have. Yet, with a sneer, you later disparage him as an incredibly dumb jock on an escorting message board. If that's how you treat all your clients, then I for one would never ever engage your services.

[Guest bighugbearphx]

RE: Kensignton Books

 

>This is straight out of a short novella currently available

>from the Harlequin Romance section of your local gay

>bookstore, except it was a football player. Unfortunately, I

>forget the title, but I bet Bobby knows it.

 

Damm, I THOUGHT this sounded familiar!

 

It's in "Out of Bounds" by Dave Benbow, included in the Kensington compilation "Man of My Dreams" published Feb 2004. (In the novel, the football player's gay lover has a woman friend accompany him, and the "other wives" assume she is the girlfriend.)

[ncc1701d]

Fully agree with the fact there was enough information given in the original post for someone to, at the very least, narrow the list of possibilities to a handful of men. And given the internet, the world is quite a bit smaller than you think. Many of his friends/team-mates/thier families etc can happen to come across this MB (not password protected to read/lurk) and see the post to figure things out. I recently went out with a guy from online sites and found out that he also is friends/coworker of a close friend of mine for 15 YEARSx( ...So it is NOT that impossible to see the line was crossed. It's one thing to whisper this as part of pillow talk to another client who understands these confidentiality issues, it's another to post it on the internet for the whole wide world to see.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Harsh

 

>Damn that's harsh.

 

Obviously, we have a different intellectual level here, since in another post, I attempt to state that while I would not have written the post you did, I did not feel you had violated what you owed a client in posting what little information you did about him. The comments that you made are something I did not address.

 

>It's easy to accuse someone of lying but

>I noticed you didn't back it up with any proof what so ever.

>I'm not sure what is worse - you accusing me of lying or

>accusing me of being on the same reading and intellectual

>level as you.

 

I made no accusation. I made a cute comment. I think you took it as much more than it was and I believe you would be far better served to look at the other comments which clients are making about you and your ethics, serious comments which can potentially affect your business as an escort, and respond to them, rather than for you to try to make a side swipe comment at either my intelligence or choice of reading material. Nonetheless, in that regard, I never stated that this was my choice of reading material or reflective of same; rather as another person clearly discovered, I simply was remarking on a very high similarity to what you posted and what was in a short story.

 

There is absolutely no reason for you to react with such a high pitched manner unless there is something that struck a very close nerve.

[taylorky]

RE: Kensignton Books

 

>Damm, I THOUGHT this sounded familiar!

>

>It's in "Out of Bounds" by Dave Benbow, included in the

>Kensington compilation "Man of My Dreams" published Feb 2004.

>(In the novel, the football player's gay lover has a woman

>friend accompany him, and the "other wives" assume she is the

>girlfriend.)

 

 

 

 

 

ummmm methinks he b .....BUSTED....

:7

[+ Lucky]

RE: Dumb Jock: Part II

 

Of course, if the story is totally bogus, plagiarized if you will, then the escort has not shown any violation of his client's trust!