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No, I understood that. Explain to me where the rush to judgment was when they claimed to have found child porn on his computer, without which he wouldn't have been arrested.

 

I would like to see fewer assumptions that a mass murder is due to Islamic extremism because that's a knee-jerk and somewhat prejudiced reaction. But that someone who's arrested for possession of child pornography because it was found on his computer is nevertheless innocent is laughable unless law enforcement is lying or the images were somehow manipulated.

 

While I assume he was guilty too, plenty of websites/malware have the ability to place files on your computer and it's not inconceivable to me that someone could have stuff on his machine without his knowledge if s/he were not particularly tech savvy. And it's not clear to me that law enforcement is going to try too hard to make sure he actively sought it out.

I know I've shut webpages and cleared my cache because I looked at some random tumblr and thought a handful of the images were questionable.

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Yes, and for whatever reason, child molesters are at the bottom of the prisoner totem-pole.

 

Yes indeed! I understand that prisoners have there own justice system behind bars. And those guilty of sex crimes do not fare too well.

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"Severe abuse" cannot possibly explain why there have been pedophiles since the Greco-Roman period and probably before that.

There are huge differences between nature and cultural norms. Comparing a localized society from 2,000 years ago with 21st century America is not especially productive.

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While I assume he was guilty too, plenty of websites/malware have the ability to place files on your computer and it's not inconceivable to me that someone could have stuff on his machine without his knowledge if s/he were not particularly tech savvy. And it's not clear to me that law enforcement is going to try too hard to make sure he actively sought it out.

I know I've shut webpages and cleared my cache because I looked at some random tumblr and thought a handful of the images were questionable.

True, but reports say he had between 25,000 and 50,000 images stored. That’s quite some malware.

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True, but reports say he had between 25,000 and 50,000 images stored. That’s quite some malware.

 

I wonder if there is some forensic way to tell if a download came from malware or was actively downloaded.

 

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What does this add to such a sad death? We have all made bad choices.

 

It's a simple, yet sometimes difficult to follow, statement about life: Important forks in the road that have larger, more consequential meaning. We often don't realize this until it's too late... The whole hindsight being 20/20 thing.

 

Stop. Think. Decide. It took me the better part of my twenties to learn that.

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"Severe abuse" cannot possibly explain why there have been pedophiles since the Greco-Roman period and probably before that.

 

Update: gay men sometimes marry women. Just wanted to let you in on a secret.

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Update: gay men sometimes marry women. Just wanted to let you in on a secret.

What the heck does that have to do with whether pedophiles are born or created? Or what role abuse plays into their behavior?

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I wonder if they couldn't put all pedophiles on an island or walled city, and just let them live amongst themselves, separated from society and the possibility of underage contacts...

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I wonder if they couldn't put all pedophiles on an island or walled city, and just let them live amongst themselves, separated from society and the possibility of underage contacts...

You would need a huge island (more like a continent) and a reliable way of identifying pedophiles...

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I wonder if they couldn't put all pedophiles on an island or walled city, and just let them live amongst themselves, separated from society and the possibility of underage contacts...

 

Do you realize Hitler seriously considered sending Jews to the barren and isolated island of Madagascar?

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@Unicorn - Not what I would call a well thought out post:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No, I think isolating is a better solution than punishing. Society needs to protect itself from pedophiles, not kill them. As far as I’ve heard, Mark Salling never actually touched a child, yet his life seems to have been deemed worthless. Why not put them all on an island like Lanai, and just make sure no children go there? Isn’t that better for everyone?

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Do you realize Hitler seriously considered sending Jews to the barren and isolated island of Madagascar?

My suggestion has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust, obviously. And Madagascar is hardly barren. It’s beautiful and lush.

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y suggestion has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust, obviously.

 

You did not think about the results. The people who live there now. The lose of tourist money. What happens when people are gravely ill and isolated from family and life-long friends?

 

And now you know Hitler considered the same thing for the Jews.

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You did not think about the results. The people who live there now. The lose of tourist money. What happens when people are gravely ill and isolated from family and life-long friends?

 

And now you know Hitler considered the same thing for the Jews.

Not many people live on Lanai. There’s eminent domain. Nothing to prevent adult friends and relatives from visiting. Would you rather live in Lanai or be beaten to death in a state prison?

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There’s eminent domain

 

The entire process of eminent domain can take years to resolve. Relocation is a requirement in Hawaii and the rest of United States. It would be a nightmare to administer. I give up.

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No, I think isolating is a better solution than punishing. Society needs to protect itself from pedophiles, not kill them. As far as I’ve heard, Mark Salling never actually touched a child, yet his life seems to have been deemed worthless. Why not put them all on an island like Lanai, and just make sure no children go there? Isn’t that better for everyone?

Didn't Larry Ellison buy the island of Lanai, or almost all of it? I don't know what his plans are exactly, but I doubt he spent half a $billion to provide a concentration camp for pedophiles.

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Didn't Larry Ellison buy the island of Lanai, or almost all of it? I don't know what his plans are exactly, but I doubt he spent half a $billion to provide a concentration camp for pedophiles.

Yes it’s privately owned...by Dole pineapple back in the day it was covered in pineapple plantations....that’s ,over to the South Pacific.

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No, I think isolating is a better solution than punishing. Society needs to protect itself from pedophiles, not kill them. As far as I’ve heard, Mark Salling never actually touched a child, yet his life seems to have been deemed worthless. Why not put them all on an island like Lanai, and just make sure no children go there? Isn’t that better for everyone?

For that to even be defensible as an idea I think you would first have to demonstrate that consumers of child pornography are more likely to abuse children. A couple of German studies have suggested this is not the case.

 

More importantly, you're likely to end up with a substantial chunk of the male population indefinitely removed from society. You would also need an island for female pedophiles, since you presumably wouldn't want to risk them having children.

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