The Adventures of Wolfer

[Wolfer]

So I've decided to start this thread because I feel like I need to talk about my experiences without it being reviews (so I won't be mentioning names). Since I can't talk to anyone about my hobby with people I know in real life I think this is the best place to do so. I don't want to bring up my hobby in therapy because there's way too much judgement there, the therapist would label me as defunct and try to discover just what childhood trauma would lead me to pay people for companionship.

Personally I think it was the time when my homemade ice cream tasted like a salty abomination, not like the sweet and sugary treat from the ice cream van, and my three year old self decided there and then that I would trust in professional service providers!

 

I'll try to keep this entertaining because that's nicer to read. So to start off, a joke:

Why do you never see elephants hiding in trees?

(wait for it...)

Because they're really good at it!

 

Yesterday I had my fifth hire and my third escort in all. And it was... Fun. But... Strange. In the sense that I had asked if he French kissed. Well, I mean, I "asked" in that roundabout way we good clients have been taught to do, you know, for time only. This is what I said: "I love to French kiss, ..." and then some other things I like to do (like hugging, cuddling, other more non-PG rated things). So he agreed to meet me. I was like: "Hot damn, yeah, mister! I'm cumming over, no wait, I'm COMING over to cum. Har har." Note: I did not say this out loud, nor to the escort, that would not have been respectable. And in this age of wanton rudeness by attention starved pubescant grown-ups one does well to distinguish oneself from the rabble by exercising a modicum of decorum.

 

Anywaaaaay, I had to go to his hotel room and I was nervous because he wouldn't meet me in the lobby. I had done my due diligence, though, and was able to confirm beforehand through his social media that the guy was himself... I know this may seem obvious that a person would be himself, but adopting alter-ego's is all the rage (just look at Iron Man). And one can never really answer that age old existential question: "Who am I?" (a pedantic bitch)

 

He was cute, tight and also right away quite deftly (but obviously) kept turning my mouth away from his face. When I did get a kiss in, it was dry and over faster than a flash of dick at a burlesque performance. I was disappointed, because for me, the face is where all the good action is. After a couple of minutes I asked if kissing was okay and he told me that he didn't kiss his clients.

PERSONAL GROWTH OPPORTUNITY COMMENCES:

Remembering my previous nightmarish hire with a well-reviewed escort and also realizing that I should have spoken up then, I decided to be brave and speak up this time. I said: "I'm dissapointed you don't kiss. It's really important to me and you should have told me because I wouldn't have come."

 

And here's where something magical happened. He started kissing me. Not full-on, tongue down my throat, but he did kiss me throughout the rest of the session. He was also very sweet and cuddled me for a long time after the session ended.

 

But I could feel he wasn't all there, you know? He didn't get hard throughout the session. So afterwards he told me his friend had collapsed at breakfast that morning and had had to be rushed to the hospital and he had to go back to the hospital after our session.

 

This left me a bit puzzled... Why would he even agree to a session if something like that was going on? I want to stress, though, that he was a very sweet guy and could see and feel he was trying his best to accomodate me.

And it's now the second escort that allowed a session to go through, even though he was having personal issues (the previous nightmarish hire was going through some tough family issues, which he then took out on me, during our session).

 

So the score for now is: one mindblowing hire, one nightmarish, two "okayish" and one fun. Is this in the normal range of experiences or is it just me? I'm a naturally polite and respectful guy and two escorts now have told me I have a good heart and the other one was visibly endeared by my behaviour. The escort from yesterday communicated some limits throughout the session that I completely respected (I even stopped kissing him after he said he didn't kiss clients: I waited a bit before speaking up because I was building up my courage) and I think it made him want to accomodate me even more. I'm very happy he held me in his arms and even sang to me (he had a beautiful voice) after the session. It was a very unique and very nice experience.

 

Will I hire him again, though? Nope, I've discovered that I absolutely need to French kiss to make it a completely satisfactory experience. No amount of hotness can compensate for missing out on that.

[TruHart1]

Hi Wolfer,

 

I do not believe your luck is the same as many of us as clients. Myself, I have only had a few so so or meh experiences (5 or 6) in the nearly five years I've been hiring. None in which I ever felt threatened or in danger! Daddy's reviews does have a place to note whether the escort kisses or not, specifically whether French or dry kissing. Same with Cruising for Escorts (the review site for M4RN.) I had something like 22 excellent experiences with great escorts over my first year or so of hiring and then a meh experience with a really nice guy who could not get hard during our whole session. He was a fine French kisser, though, by the way!

 

The best way to avoid guys who "don't kiss clients" is to bluntly ask if they French kiss. Period! Don't say you like it and name other things you like. If it is so paramount, put all the emphasis on it until they give you a yes or no. Be sure to state that if they do not, sorry but that is a deal breaker for you and just move on. THEN, if they assure you they kiss, ask about other activities you are looking for. The only way to find what you are looking for is to be clear what will make or break your interest in an escort. Regarding a possible sting, I don't believe French kissing is an offense for which you can be arrested!

 

JMHO...as a relative successful and usually always satisfied client! :)

 

TruHart1

[+ glennnn]

Gees, Wolfer,

 

I don't have enough experience to comment on these strange sessions, but I can commiserate with your confusion and disappointment. Absolutely, these guys should have declined the date. It is the honest thing to do, if your personal problems keep you from performing at or near your best.

 

I have had only two escort experiences, and they were both beyond my expectations. Reading your story, and about the fraudulent practices of some escorts on The Deli forum makes me consider staying exclusively with my two successful escorts, even though my evil, male libido tells me to fuck every guy on Rentmen. Why mess with success?

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Is it possible immaturity contributed to the behavior shown in these less than satisfactory encounters? Both of mine were mature, 40+ guys with well-established careers. I don't know what floats your boat, but Nate and Dane were amazing. Maybe dealing with younger escorts is just more problematic, and the problem isn't you. Get in touch with the "mind-blowing" escort ( only your mind, huh?), and forget the rest. They shied at shadows; you were thrown off; get back in the saddle and ride, ride, ride!

 

Perhaps you might choose a more mature and steadier steed.

[big-n-tall]

I will say, some people will say they will do something in particular when you ask and won't do it when you meet them. This hasn't happened to me often, but it has happened. I think the working guy does this (lie) to get you in the door, so they can get your money. It's the same with a lot of the guys using fake pics.

 

They assume once you're there, you'll go through with whatever and won't speak up or flat out leave. A lot of guys are too timid to not go through with the meeting if the working guy proves to be lying about their appearance or what they will or won't do.

[+ Keith30309]

What a coincidence- I just had a similar experience with a young guy I had seen once before in a "meh" session but with whom I had a great emotional connection.

He was late getting started, left 20 minutes early (we had planned a 2 hour meeting), he was distracted and disengaged during the time including checking his text messages several times, etc. He really wasn't into the kissing, he wasn't comfortable in ANY kind of oral contact and was unable to get anything close to firm.

When he was running late I'd asked him if he wanted to reschedule and he replied that he "needed to meet me" - i.e., he needed the money even though he'd much rather be elsewhere.

While I still like the guy personally - he is really a sweet person - he's just in the wrong line of business. I think Glennnn nailed it regarding some younger guys who don't really get the concept of focusing on the client. (And not to take this off on a tangent but that's the same lack of attention I've seen in my limited "porn star" experience.)

[liubit]

big-n-tall nails it right on. When asked, most escrts will tell you that they will enthusiastically do whatever you mention, particularly if you insist that it is a deal breaker and their rent is due....And, yes, when reality strikes, many of us are either too polite, too sweet or just too horny to send them off. They know it.

[Wolfer]

The best way to avoid guys who "don't kiss clients" is to bluntly ask if they French kiss. Period! Don't say you like it and name other things you like. If it is so paramount, put all the emphasis on it until they give you a yes or no. Be sure to state that if they do not, sorry but that is a deal breaker for you and just move on. THEN, if they assure you they kiss, ask about other activities you are looking for. The only way to find what you are looking for is to be clear what will make or break your interest in an escort. Regarding a possible sting, I don't believe French kissing is an offense for which you can be arrested!

Yeah, you're right. I'm still trying to find the line between stating my needs clearly without comming across as demanding or difficult. I would never want to force myself on anyone. And I really should let that "roundabout" way of stating things go. As far as I know, no stings are being done at all in Belgium. Technically, exchanging money for sex is legal here, but the solliciting of it (in either direction) is not.

 

Is it possible immaturity contributed to the behavior shown in these less than satisfactory encounters? Both of mine were mature, 40+ guys with well-established careers. I don't know what floats your boat, but Nate and Dane were amazing. Maybe dealing with younger escorts is just more problematic, and the problem isn't you. Get in touch with the "mind-blowing" escort ( only your mind, huh?), and forget the rest. They shied at shadows; you were thrown off; get back in the saddle and ride, ride, ride!

 

Perhaps you might choose a more mature and steadier steed.

All three of them were under thirty, true. Two were 25 and one was my age (30).

Sad to say that the escort who gave me the mindblowing session is also the one who gave me the nightmarish session on a subsequent visit. He was a well-reviewed escort and it's actually this experience that has led me to be more bold in hiring unreviewed guys. Since if a well-reviewed escort can still be such a risk, I might as well take that risk with unreviewed guys. And where I live there are absolutely no reviews available, except for Steven Draker. So all I have is my due diligence and gut feeling. (I traveled to London specially for the well-reviewed escort.)

I don't care for age (or race), as long as I'm physically attracted to them.

 

I will say, some people will say they will do something in particular when you ask and won't do it when you meet them. This hasn't happened to me often, but it has happened. I think the working guy does this (lie) to get you in the door, so they can get your money. It's the same with a lot of the guys using fake pics.

 

They assume once you're there, you'll go through with whatever and won't speak up or flat out leave. A lot of guys are too timid to not go through with the meeting if the working guy proves to be lying about their appearance or what they will or won't do.

What a coincidence- I just had a similar experience with a young guy I had seen once before in a "meh" session but with whom I had a great emotional connection.

I think he was desperate to set up a meeting as he was staying in the city in a Hilton hotel and from what I could deduce had had to deal with timewasters and flaky clients. On top of that his English wasn't very good (his native language was Portuguese) and afterwards I noticed he also missed information from my other texts, so I'm thinking that in his desperation/eagerness to book a client he glossed over my stated needs.

 

I am getting more and more courageous in speaking up in situations like these. But I always feel a little conflicted: where is the line between being an asshole client demanding such and such and a communicative client clearly stating his preferences (as dealbreakers).

For instance I asked if he could cum and he said "sure" but right away I could feel he was incredibly anxious about it and I just let it go immediately. Never, never, NEVER would I want to put another person in a position where they would feel pressured, bullied or pushed to do something. That's why I want to be clear and upfront about my expectations, so the escort can make sure we're a good match.

 

The three escorts I've been with now have been flaccid for most of the session. If I didn't know any better, I might start to wonder whether I'm truly hideous to look at... (I'm a cute 7 on good days)

[unsure]

Hi Wolfer,

I have had similar experiences. Sadly, most of the hires I've had have been disappointing. I have also had the escort who said they were okay with kissing, only to decline when they arrived (the worst is finding out by trying and seeing them constantly turning their face when you go in for an attempt, it's obvious at that point and I stop trying, but I'm always too scared to speak up like you did so I commend you for that!).

I hire because I think that I'll be more confident in asking for what I want, but so far, I've just realized that I still don't have the courage to speak up. Without that emotional connection, it's hard even with the physical attraction. Maybe that's why hiring might not be the answer for us trying to explore people.

[+ DickyF]

Did they say they provided a Boy Friend Experience? To me that must include kissing beyond dry pecks. I do look for that factor though as has been discussed here there is no set description of the BFE. But how can at least passionate kissing not be included?

[Wolfer]

Maybe that's why hiring might not be the answer for us trying to explore people.

I refuse to believe this, and you should too. Even with my "meh" hires I've discovered so many new and interesting things about myself and my sexuality that I want to continue trying to find a good match in escorts. I have to be honest, though, and say my enthusiasm has waned somewhat.

Did they say they provided a Boy Friend Experience? To me that must include kissing beyond dry pecks. I do look for that factor though as has been discussed here there is no set description of the BFE. But how can at least passionate kissing not be included?

The jargon in mainland Europe seems different from the US or UK. Terms like BFE and such are not used here. Even PnP is not used over here, but it's called ChemsFR, which I had a hard time figuring out at first. So asking these guys to provide a BFE would not do much, especially given that even in the US a BFE can mean different things to different people. But, he did give me a sort of BFE at the end by cradling me and holding me in his arms.

[Rudynate]

I have only had one bad hire. The sex was OK, he delivered as promised, but he was weird, someone with a lot of problems who talked a lot about his problems. I hired him because he had a lot of experience with one of my kinks. But otherwise, he was out-0f-type for other hires: younger, different venue, no reviews.

[unsure]

I refuse to believe this, and you should too. Even with my "meh" hires I've discovered so many new and interesting things about myself and my sexuality that I want to continue trying to find a good match in escorts. I have to be honest, though, and say my enthusiasm has waned somewhat.

 

I think my enthusiasm comes and goes. After a bad hire, I'm less likely to try again for a while. After a good hire, I try to hire the same guy again if possible. However, like you saw, a great hire one time doesn't mean a great hire in a subsequent meeting.

[JDXXX]

Just out of curiosity, Wolfer - did your guy say why he wasn't into kissing with his clients?

 

Did he happen to have a BF or was straight and was "Gay for pay"?

[Wolfer]

Just out of curiosity, Wolfer - did your guy say why he wasn't into kissing with his clients?

 

Did he happen to have a BF or was straight and was "Gay for pay"?

He himself didn't give me a reason, other than to say he didn't kiss with clients. I did find out he's married (to a man) through his social media.

[Wolfer]

Yay! Just came back from a two hour session with a guy I'd seen twice before and all my expectations were met and I feel very satisfied!

[JDXXX]

He himself didn't give me a reason, other than to say he didn't kiss with clients. I did find out he's married (to a man) through his social media.

 

Hi Wolfer,

 

Figured that could be the case seeing what you stated how his behavior towards kissing clients were.

 

Yikes!!!!

[+ glennnn]

Yay! Just came back from a two hour session with a guy I'd seen twice before and all my expectations were met and I feel very satisfied!

 

Wolfer scores, and the crowd goes wild! Atta boy!

[+ glennnn]

Yay! Just came back from a two hour session with a guy I'd seen twice before and all my expectations were met and I feel very satisfied!

 

Wolfer scores, and the crowd goes wild! Atta boy!

[Wolfer]

I've even booked an overnight with him.

[Wolfer]

I've even booked an overnight with him.

[Mikegaite]

He himself didn't give me a reason, other than to say he didn't kiss with clients. I did find out he's married (to a man) through his social media.

 

Is this the explanation? I'd say about 98 percent of my married clients kiss. Probably 3 percent have boundaries related to saving certain things like kissing or intercourse or fisting for their spouses. I've got a partner and it hasn't once limited how I engage with clients, but the same has seemed to hold true for almost all my partnered clients.

[Mikegaite]

He himself didn't give me a reason, other than to say he didn't kiss with clients. I did find out he's married (to a man) through his social media.

 

Is this the explanation? I'd say about 98 percent of my married clients kiss. Probably 3 percent have boundaries related to saving certain things like kissing or intercourse or fisting for their spouses. I've got a partner and it hasn't once limited how I engage with clients, but the same has seemed to hold true for almost all my partnered clients.

[Wolfer]

Is this the explanation? I'd say about 98 percent of my married clients kiss. Probably 3 percent have boundaries related to saving certain things like kissing or intercourse or fisting for their spouses. I've got a partner and it hasn't once limited how I engage with clients, but the same has seemed to hold true for almost all my partnered clients.

I don't know, he himself never said that was the reason. It's pure assumption on my part. I have heard of other people in open relationships that one of the rules is "no kissing with others" because it is somehow more intimate than having a dick in your mouth...

[Wolfer]

Is this the explanation? I'd say about 98 percent of my married clients kiss. Probably 3 percent have boundaries related to saving certain things like kissing or intercourse or fisting for their spouses. I've got a partner and it hasn't once limited how I engage with clients, but the same has seemed to hold true for almost all my partnered clients.

I don't know, he himself never said that was the reason. It's pure assumption on my part. I have heard of other people in open relationships that one of the rules is "no kissing with others" because it is somehow more intimate than having a dick in your mouth...

[+ glennnn]

I've even booked an overnight with him.

 

I'm hoping you get a weekend with him soon.... and then you can go in the shop for a re-tread, lube and oil change. (LOL)