Escorts who charge different rates for men vs. women

[+ FreshFluff]

Our esteemed Jawja wrote a blog post about an escort whose ad stated:

“Rates depend on how long, if you are a male or female...."

http://jawjateck.tumblr.com/post/126520163937/rates-depend-on

 

Have you heard of this practice before? What do you think of it? (I'm assuming that it's women who get the lower rate, but if someone has seen the opposite case, please post about it.)

 

From a traditional economic perspective, there are some good reasons for double pricing. First, women have more options for casual sex, so in theory, women are willing to pay less for sex with a given person than men would. Second, a straight or straight-leaning bi escort would presumably enjoy sex with the average woman more than with the average man.

 

But escorts who try this face the usual problem with double pricing: fairness. People hate knowing that someone else is getting a better deal--enough that they might pass up something that they would otherwise happily buy for that same price. And since men are the bread and butter of the P4P market, pissing them off is a mistake. Moreover, some clients might consider this a tip off that the escort is gay for pay and would be less than ardent in bed.

 

However, some escorts might get around these problems by offering women a lower price without putting it in their ads. (One escort here wrote that young clients sometimes contact him and ask for lower rates. I wonder if women do the same.)

[Nebost]

I agree with you that the fairness aspect would be a turn-off. I also think it's not good for business, since gay men hire much more than women, and they are likely the ones who are being charged more and will notice the lack of equality.

 

I don't see a dual rate structure advertised much at all, and I think it is for good reason. I suppose if an escort posted on a site intended only for women (are there such things?) he could post a different rate and hope the info doesn't cross over to the resourceful posters on sites like this one.

[BaronArtz]

First of all, I think it is not very astute to use the very same escort ad for both the men and the women's market. An escort is basically selling an illusion. I am a gay male, I am looking for the illusion that an attractive male wishes to engage in various erotic activities with me. Although it is, technically speaking, none of my business what he does when we are not together, the thought that he would sleep with women (or trannies) is a turn-off. I don't want to be confronted with it. Looking at it from the other perspective, wouldn't women clients be disappointed knowing that their 'stud' sleeps with men also? My recommendation: use different ads, different names and create a different 'persona'.

 

Now about pricing. A good friend/escort of mine is straight/bi-curious/gay-friendly. In short, he doesn't know what he is. As a body builder, he has a striking appearance. Young, attractive women literally throw their panties at him. He has an active dating life with women (and trannies). However, he will not take women as clients. He says they are 'more work'. Which makes sense: women take longer to climax. They require, insist even, on longer foreplay. They also are more into cuddling afterwards. I would think women require a much bigger effort overall. Therefore, I think it would make more sense to charge women MORE. Or not take them at all as clients.

[+ Keith30309]

He says they are 'more work'. Which makes sense: women take longer to climax. They require, insist even, on longer foreplay. They also are more into cuddling afterwards. I would think women require a much bigger effort overall. Therefore, I think it would make more sense to charge women MORE. Or not take them at all as clients.

 

This reminds me of why my mom wouldn't let me have a gerbil and I got s goldfish instead.

[Nebost]

First of all, I think it is not very astute to use the very same escort ad for both the men and the women's market. An escort is basically selling an illusion. I am a gay male, I am looking for the illusion that an attractive male wishes to engage in various erotic activities with me. Although it is, technically speaking, none of my business what he does when we are not together, the thought that he would sleep with women (or trannies) is a turn-off. I don't want to be confronted with it. Looking at it from the other perspective, wouldn't women clients be disappointed knowing that their 'stud' sleeps with men also? My recommendation: use different ads, different names and create a different 'persona'.

 

Now about pricing. A good friend/escort of mine is straight/bi-curious/gay-friendly. In short, he doesn't know what he is. As a body builder, he has a striking appearance. Young, attractive women literally throw their panties at him. He has an active dating life with women (and trannies). However, he will not take women as clients. He says they are 'more work'. Which makes sense: women take longer to climax. They require, insist even, on longer foreplay. They also are more into cuddling afterwards. I would think women require a much bigger effort overall. Therefore, I think it would make more sense to charge women MORE. Or not take them at all as clients.

 

 

Male strippers (and the waiters at Tallywackers) tell me a similar tale too. In general, women require alot more work to be made to feel sexy, they want to dance/flirt to make the fantasy work, and then they are poor tippers. Several of them are LaBare escapees who cringe at the thought of going back. We gay men are much easier to please and looser with the wallet. (Not meant to offend the women on this board, who I think are much more intune to the escort/stripper profession).

[Guest Starbuck]

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I'm assuming that it's women who get the lower rate...

 

This is a little off-topic and, of course, standard business practices only kinda/sorta/sometimes apply to escorting, but I couldn't help wondering about the OP's idea that an escort would charge a female client LESS than he'd charge a male client. If she's right about that, it would be a rare divergence from the usual dynamic of "gender pricing," a practice that's a huge economic injustice to women.

 

Here's a short paragraph about it from an article by a writer named Lea Goldman that ran in Marie Claire a few years ago:

 

...being a woman in this country has become an increasingly expensive proposition. It's not just dry cleaning and haircuts where women get socked: We pay more for home mortgages, health insurance, and cars and car repairs (even when we mind our credit, eat right and exercise, and do our homework), not to mention everyday items like deodorant and disposable razors. California, which in 1996 became the first state to ban gender pricing, found that women paid about $1,351 annually in extra costs and fees. Apply that figure to the rest of the women in the country and the total burden is staggering — roughly $151 billion in markups, more than what the federal government spent on education last year and greater than the budgets of 43 states.

 

So if the OP is right, if she can hire her Rentboy for a better price than I can, I'm not going to begrudge her getting a break for a change.

[+ FreshFluff]

First of all, I think it is not very astute to use the very same escort ad for both the men and the women's market. An escort is basically selling an illusion. [...] My recommendation: use different ads, different names and create a different 'persona'.

 

Good point, but are there many MtF escort ad sites that don't attract men. From what I read here, men definitely read the MtF areas of Backpage.. I'm guessing that the male readers also note the escort has also has an MtM ad, noting the difference.

 

Although it is, technically speaking, none of my business what he does when we are not together, the thought that he would sleep with women (or trannies) is a turn-off.

 

Yeah, I've seen the discussions here. Many men prefer male-only escorts altogether. I can imagine that charging lower prices to women would make it worse.

 

He says they are 'more work'. Which makes sense: women take longer to climax. They require, insist even, on longer foreplay. They also are more into cuddling afterwards. I would think women require a much bigger effort overall. Therefore, I think it would make more sense to charge women MORE. Or not take them at all as clients.

 

I was thinking about that. Do male escorts consider cuddling/foreplay with clients easier or harder work than actual intercourse with clients? An escort who isn't that attracted to women can probably cuddle with one easily.

 

In general, women require alot more work to be made to feel sexy, they want to dance/flirt to make the fantasy work, and then they are poor tippers.

 

Yeah, the verbal part is probably the most challenging. Many women can't do anything sexual unless they feel attractive to their partner, but each woman wants to hear different things.

[+ FreshFluff]

So if the OP is right, if she can hire her Rentboy for a better price than I can, I'm not going to begrudge her getting a break for a change.

 

I've never hired myself and don't plan to do so in the forseeable future. But I'm interested in this issue from an economic perspective.

[MiamiLooker]

So if the OP is right, if she can hire her Rentboy for a better price than I can, I'm not going to begrudge her getting a break for a change.

 

Agree. I don’t know why some posters get so caught up with what others do. Agreements between other clients and the escort(s) they hire are between them. They should be of no concern to anyone else.

[BaronArtz]

 

I was thinking about that. Do male escorts consider cuddling/foreplay with clients easier or harder work than actual intercourse with clients? An escort who isn't that attracted to women can probably cuddle with one easily.

 

I don't want to be crass, but since we are all adults here I am going to say it anyway: what my escort friend said literally was 'I would have to be eating pu**y for a long time'. This, in reference to my question about whether he would accept women as clients. Keep in mind that this guy has a stunning appearance who gets aggressively pursued by women just about everywhere he goes. He has no shortage of female sex partners - usually young, attractive women and MtF trannies. For him, as an escort, it is easier 'work' dealing with guys. Even if a man is 100% straight, I can imagine that it can be a real chore to get some women off. The thought alone ...

[+ poolboy48220]

Yeah, I've seen the discussions here. Many men prefer male-only escorts altogether. I can imagine that charging lower prices to women would make it worse.

I'm guilty of that. At the go-go boy bar, if I see a dancer spending more time pursuing the few women at the club than talking with the mostly-male clientele, I'm less inclined to pursue him.

[Nebost]

This reminds me of why my mom wouldn't let me have a gerbil and I got s goldfish instead.

 

I have a friend who is rather negligent in taking care of her kids' goldfish, and replaces 'Goldie' every few months along with an unceremonious toilet funeral. The kids never seem to notice that Goldie has been replaced. Sometimes Goldie doubles in size, sometimes he changes in color. The kids still think its the same fish (we are talking a half dozen new Goldies in 2 years) and love him just the same.

[sincitymix]

yeah. I messaged an escort once, got a laundry list of prices.. until he realized I was a guy and suddenly the prices doubled and tripled.

[+ Gar1eth]

This reminds me of why my mom wouldn't let me have a gerbil and I got s goldfish instead.

 

I'm confused. Was it because gerbils take longer to climax than goldfish?

 

Gman

[+ Gar1eth]

Agree. I don’t know why some posters get so caught up with what others do. Agreements between other clients and the escort(s) they hire are between them. They should be of no concern to anyone else.

 

Because I for one would rather be with a gay guy. There really doesn't have to be a reason. It's what I want.

I don't want to be crass, but since we are all adults here I am going to say it anyway: what my escort friend said literally was 'I would have to be eating pu**y for a long time'.

 

I thought straight guys usually loved that although I'm not much on performing oral on guys. So I guess some straight guys might be like me regarding women.

 

Gman

[Wolfer]

I'm guilty of that. At the go-go boy bar, if I see a dancer spending more time pursuing the few women at the club than talking with the mostly-male clientele, I'm less inclined to pursue him.

Me too, when searching on Rentboy I filter on gay guys. I've given thought about why I do this and I think it's because I would feel exploited with a straight guy/bi guy leaning towards women. I want someone who's genuinely into sex with men and chomping at the bit to suck me, get fucked and shove his tongue down my throat. Somehow I just think the chances of straight guys doing that or enjoying it seem low to me...

 

I also think it has to do with my history of being bullied in my youth by the straight guys. I'm not gonna pay them to let me be subs to them... Just doesn't feel right. Like so succintly stated in the hilarious comedy "Gayby": "We don't lust after straight men, we have self-esteem."

 

And the bi-guys... Well, there's always a twinge of fear in me that they call themselves bi so as to not associate with the "bad" stereotypes of gayness. That being gay makes you less of a man etc... And by extension would look down on me (I can be quite flamboyant and am not masculine. I am gruff and scruffy, though! )

I fully acknowledge these are personal issues and are not, in any way, actually reflective of the complex and multi-layered reality that is human sexuality.

[Juan Vancouver]

I was born into a culture into which sexual preference is way more fluid that it is in North America. Even if there is the tired old male power/ female submission dichotomy, everyone pretty much fucks everyone else and nobody thinks much about it as long as people keep things in place. I love women and enjoy the sex with them. I would never call myself straight, I love dick way too much, and I have learnt in NorthAmerica not to call myself bisexual because it means so many different unhealthy things to many almost everyone.

 

And the bi-guys... Well, there's always a twinge of fear in me that they call themselves bi so as to not associate with the "bad" stereotypes of gayness. And by extension would look down on me (I can be quite flamboyant and am not masculine. I am gruff and scruffy, though! )

 

The only instance I would look down at you is if I am sitting on your dick. But that's just physics.

 

When I started working as an escort I decided to focus only on men. All my ads are specifically geared towards men, but from the very beginning women kept contacting me trying to book appointments. Needless to say I gladly thought it to be more great avenues to make money, so I pretty much accepted every call from anyone who sounded reasonably sane and polite.

 

I do not see women anymore for work, no exceptions. I will see a male/female couple if they are a romantic couple and if they both are interested in playing actively with me but I won't see women alone. After five or six years of seeing women as clients I swore them off.

 

He says (women) they are 'more work'. Which makes sense: women take longer to climax. They require, insist even, on longer foreplay. They also are more into cuddling afterwards. I would think women require a much bigger effort overall. Therefore, I think it would make more sense to charge women MORE. Or not take them at all as clients.

 

It's not the climaxing. It's not the cuddling. It's not even the seducing, and doting, and luring that it does take to get them going. Fortunately I am quite adept at those and I enjoy it. The reason for which seeing women is incredibly more stressful is because nine out of ten are subconsciously looking for a partner. Once they have a man focusing on their every need, expertly and patiently finding their magic spots, learning what is it that they need to hear to get them going and what things need to be avoided... once they find a man who takes his time giving them a few orgasms before entering them and then giving them the ride of their life they decide that we are going steady and the bond we experienced was magic, real, important and unbreakable.

 

When you have a great session with a man, he is glass eyed for a couple minutes, then pats you in the back, tips you handsomely and says something like "Dude, this was fucking awesome. Thanks for coming, have a good life... maybe one day we'll meet again." And sure enough they call for repeats, but there is this perfectly clear understanding that great sex, even life altering sex is just sex. Super fun, great for your health and necessary to stay happy.

 

When you have a great session with nine out of ten women she will start pouting and cooing and will not let you go even if you are way over the time, then she will say something like

 

"Did you feel it, baby?"

"Feel what beautiful?"

"That was special... I felt it..."

"Gee, thanks, gorgeous! That was really fun, indeed!" (Thinking: It is my work to make you feel like this, glad you appreciated it)

"Can I see you tomorrow?"

"Sure, how long a session would you like and at what time?"

"NO!" (Start of a sob.) "Not like that... we have a bond... we are special!"

 

I never got stalked by guy clients. I have been stalked by a few girls who would not take my word that I was a man whore who fucked guys... lots of guys! And I LOVED IT. Once they felt a "connection" it was really hard for them to let go. They called, emailed, showed up, stood outside my building, tried to befriend my friends... it was pretty scary. All the sessions in which I have felt threatened or afraid have been with women.

 

I know there are a few great girls out there for whom sex is fun, a therapy, something that is uncomplicated and easy, but sadly the majority of the women I got to meet for work became incredibly hard work and the risk of seeing them grossly out weights the benefits.

 

I am one who used to charge a different rate for women. I charged a lot more. I thought this would discourage many, and also I know the amount of escorts who see women and are good at it is really, really small. I thought also that the risk it implied needed to be offset with a better rate, but now I know it's just not worth it for me.

 

I'm a man's man now. (I know it normally doesn't mean that, but I have always enjoyed the ambiguity of that phrase.) There's a really fun camaraderie in fucking with men. We both want it, we both enjoy it equally, nobody needs to prove anything, we both understand how easy, fun and simple it is, and we are both wanting more, but understanding the nature of the situation.

[BaronArtz]

That is a very thoughtful explanation, Juan! You explained it very well. I will think about this some more. Intuitively, it makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

[mike carey]

Juan, I love you're approach.

[jawjateck]

Interesting discussion and perspectives. Good thread, Fluffy!

[+ Gar1eth]

Well I know I'm a rough, tough emotionally stunted male. But I don't think it would be too terribly difficult to fall in love, or a reasonable facsimile, with Juan!!!

 

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Gman

[BaronArtz]

 

When you have a great session with a man, he is glass eyed for a couple minutes, then pats you in the back, tips you handsomely and says something like "Dude, this was fucking awesome. Thanks for coming, have a good life... maybe one day we'll meet again." And sure enough they call for repeats, but there is this perfectly clear understanding that great sex, even life altering sex is just sex. Super fun, great for your health and necessary to stay happy.

 

When you have a great session with nine out of ten women she will start pouting and cooing and will not let you go even if you are way over the time, then she will say something like

 

"Did you feel it, baby?"

"Feel what beautiful?"

"That was special... I felt it..."

"Gee, thanks, gorgeous! That was really fun, indeed!" (Thinking: It is my work to make you feel like this, glad you appreciated it)

"Can I see you tomorrow?"

"Sure, how long a session would you like and at what time?"

"NO!" (Start of a sob.) "Not like that... we have a bond... we are special!"

 

 

Juan, I have a follow-up question about that, if you don't mind. Have you ever, or do you currently accept MtF trannies as clients? I always wondered what could attract a male to a MtF trannie, especially one where the male genitalia are still intact. Could it be that the trannie has the semblance of a woman, but the sex drive and the basic attitude of a man? In other words not the clinginess, not the drama, not the stalking that women tend to do? I would be curious what your (or anybody else's) opinion on that is.

[Juan Vancouver]

I have seen only a few transexual females as clients which gives me very little information to have an opinion.

 

What would be attractive about a transexual female? Her beauty, her humanity, her personality. Exactly the same things that would be attractive in a man or a woman. Once one has escorted for a while it is very easy to accept the incontestable reality that there is not such thing as male genitalia or female genitalia. There is a general plumbing style that either is supposed to have but the human body comes in such fantastic diversity that you soon enough realize each penis, each vagina, each face is so incredibly unique that talking about "what is normal" is always imprecise.

 

A beautiful female with genitals that we associate as men's genitals has every right to being beautiful and desirable just because she is herself. The body and what it desires has nothing to do with the layers of meaning we superimpose to people around us in order to understand and relate to them. Beauty, desire, sexual appeal happen at a much deeper level, entirely out of reach of the confusing meddling of the mind.

 

I would personally refrain from talking about "the trannie's" (SIC) sex drive and basic attitude of a man as a generalized, all inclusive mental construct used to explain all transexual women, exactly the same way that I refrain from saying what makes all escorts happy, or the right way to suck all dicks. Different transexual women will react differently to sex, attraction, life, love and I feel we have absolutely no right to theorize about how "the trannie" (SIC) feels, thinks or behaves. Personally I have absolutely no curiosity about what anyone thinks about this subject because this is only compounding more prejudice atop prejudice.

 

I would, however, be endlessly fascinated to hear what an individual feels like, hopes, wants or does, be it a man, a woman or anything in between and outside those gender parameters.

 

I believe that our theoretical opinion on others is just another way to dehumanize them.

 

And in case someone wants to render my argument invalid citing what I wrote about female clients, I was very careful to state that 10 out of 9 women that I HAVE HAD as clients have behaved in a specific way. I would not be dumb enough to say that ninety percent of all female clients do, I would not be stupid enough to say "the woman" feels or behaves in any way.

 

Don't want to be mean, but in order to put your question in perspective, I want to extrapolate it and use the question an overwhelming majority of humans ask: "What on earth could a man find attractive on another man, especially one where the male genitalia is still intact?"

 

Some people, many, shudder in horror when trying to answer this question.

 

It's perfectly fine if you are not into something specific, but as long as it is consensual stuff between adults, we have to remember that there is someone who will find it attractive and doesn't need to explain it.

[+ FreshFluff]

Juan,

 

Fair enough. But did the few transgender clients you've seen have enough in common that you can make any generalizations (about those specific clients, not TGs in general)?

[+ FreshFluff]

Well I know I'm a rough, tough emotionally stunted male.

 

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