Time To Kill The Confederacy.....1865 Is Light Years Ago....Except The South

[thickornotatall]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/the-confederacy-kill-the_b_529592.html

 

I live part time in New York...part time in the south....there are racists in both areas..in the south they are applauded as historians and "keeping the faith"...driving around with faux license plates depicting the Confederate Flag...or flags in windows...front lawns...tattoos....fireworks.....the entire situation is not going away until they educate the population....even country music glorifies the old south....mind boggling...

[+ ArVaGuy]

This thread need to be moved to the Politics Forum.

[+ deej]

This thread need to be moved to the Politics Forum.

 

Why?

 

I don't see don't see politics in the OP.

 

Seems more like social commentary, and appropriate social commentary at that.

 

This can change in a heartbeat and I'll probably be the guy clicking the move button when that time comes, but we're not there yet.

[thickornotatall]

Why?

 

I don't see don't see politics in the OP.

 

Seems more like social commentary, and appropriate social commentary at that.

 

This can change in a heartbeat and I'll probably be the guy clicking the move button when that time comes, but we're not there yet.

Thanks very much!...Deej is quite correct....social commentary..not looking for a right...a wrong..a debate..or anything other than my humble opinion and a link to a relevant..interesting story on HuffPost...

[Mocha]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/the-confederacy-kill-the_b_529592.html

 

I live part time in New York...part time in the south....there are racists in both areas..in the south they are applauded as historians and "keeping the faith"...driving around with faux license plates depicting the Confederate Flag...or flags in windows...front lawns...tattoos....fireworks.....the entire situation is not going away until they educate the population....even country music glorifies the old south....mind boggling...

 

I went to grade school in central Florida (suburban Tampa Bay), and between 2000-2005 was my middle/high school years...you know, the ones where people start finding and expressing themselves. It was very common for a certain segment of what would be considered (whatever name you'd refer to someone who wears confederate flag stuff and camouflage clothing) to wear confederate flag stuff. Personally, I only had problems with 1 confederate flying jerk, who probably secretly had some interracial fantasy about me. But overall, most kept to their own cult and didn't bother anybody. There was however, a kind of universally suspected idea that most were racists, but again, they stayed among themselves and didn't cause any trouble. If you put it all together, you could say having a big muddy truck, camouflage gear and a confederate flag spelled racist. Usually if you seen one of those attributes, they had all 3.

 

Personally, I don't think the flag is the main issue...it's gun control and spoiled, undisciplined kids with crap parents who didn't do their part in life to raise a decent human being (here we go into politics). In the same places you had confederate flags flying, you have people of color in the same vicinity. People aren't killing in the name of a flag.

 

That said, I do believe if we're to move forward and let the past really be the past...by all means burn some flags. If someone intends to amend a book, they won't just write or type words on top of the words. You're still going to see the errors and mistakes, and it's just going to appear really blurry and hard to understand. You have to remove it all together, and write a whole new sentence. So, our country can't talk about freedom and things being in the past, if there's still confederate flags flying around.

[Kenny]

I went to grade school in central Florida (suburban Tampa Bay), and between 2000-2005 was my middle/high school years...you know, the ones where people start finding and expressing themselves. It was very common for a certain segment of what would be considered (whatever name you'd refer to someone who wears confederate flag stuff and camouflage clothing) to wear confederate flag stuff.

Personally, I only had problems with 1 confederate flying jerk, who probably secretly had some interracial fantasy about me. But overall, most kept to their own cult and didn't bother anybody. There was however, a kind of universally suspected idea that most were racists, but again, they stayed among themselves and didn't cause any trouble. If you put it all together, you could say having a big muddy truck, camouflage gear and a confederate flag spelled racist. Usually if you seen one of those attributes, they had all 3

 

Personally, I don't think the flag is the main issue...it's gun control and spoiled, undisciplined kids with crap parents who didn't do their part in life to raise a decent human being (here we go into politics). In the same places you had confederate flags flying, you have people of color in the same vicinity. People aren't killing in the name of a flag

 

That said, I do believe if we're to move forward and let the past really be the past...by all means burn some flags. If someone intends to amend a book, they won't just write or type

words on top of the words. You're still going to see the errors and mistakes, and it's just going to appear really blurry and hard to understand. You have to remove it all together, and write a whole new sentence. So, our country can't talk about freedom and things being in the past, if there's still confederate flags flying around.

I agree that guns are the bigger issue, and I worry that Nikki Haley & crew in S.C. are quickly giving in on the flag in order to divert attention and protect guns. But I also think the flag is important, because when the state supports it that gives permission to racist clowns like the ones in your Tampa school.

[Mocha]

I agree that guns are the bigger issue, and I worry that Nikki Haley & crew in S.C. are quickly giving in on the flag in order to divert attention and protect guns. But I also think the flag is important, because when the state supports it that gives permission to racist clowns like the ones in your Tampa school.

 

Yeah, they needs to focus on the real issue: Become like Japan and Australia (places I'd love to live in), when it comes to gun control. They don't have many, if not any mass shooting incidents.

 

I was just having a conversation with my dad about it. This stuff is getting old. And tiresome, not to mention sad.

 

...true story. Went to hick-town state of Nebraska (pardon the lack of better description) for thanksgiving and met my then boyfriend's Aunt's kids and their father. Now, these were nice people and all, decent house, etc. But...the dad is a sports Hunter type. but also...the KIDS, teenage kids had guns and crossbows in their room, in plain site. But, being that they lived in a remote farm town wilderness area, it's almost normal. We even got to play with one of the guns.

 

I thought to myself (as a guest should do), these people are off their rocker to let some kids who aren't even out of high school, have access to shotguns and military style weaponry. It's just crazy. People open the doors for these things to happen. Maybe a normal kid won't do such a thing, but someone with a vendetta who's not mentally put together could.

[+ sync]

What gets my ire is the argument that the Confederate flag was never a symbol of hate but a symbol of proud southern heritage, an argument that is empty by virtue of its history. For decades hate groups have proudly displayed the Confederate flag and, until of late, I don't recall a single protest against any hate group for identifying with the Confederate flag.

[Kenny]

Yeah, they needs to focus on the real issue: Become like Japan and Australia (places I'd love to live in), when it comes to gun control. They don't have many, if not any mass shooting incidents.

 

I was just having a conversation with my dad about it. This stuff is getting old. And tiresome, not to mention sad.

 

...true story. Went to hick-town state of Nebraska (pardon the lack of better description) for thanksgiving and met my then boyfriend's Aunt's kids and their father. Now, these were nice people and all, decent house, etc. But...the dad is a sports Hunter type. but also...the KIDS,

teenage kids had guns and crossbows in their room, in plain site. But, being that they lived in a remote farm town wilderness area, it's almost normal. We even got to play with one of the

guns.

 

I thought to myself (as a guest should do), these people are off their rocker to let some kids who aren't even out of high school, have access to shotguns and military style weaponry. It's

just crazy. People open the doors for these things to happen. Maybe a normal kid won't do such a thing, but someone with a vendetta who's not mentally put together could.

 

The sport-hunting meme also drives me crazy. You mean, killing animals for fun? Ugh.

[Frequentflier]

The sport-hunting meme also drives me crazy. You mean, killing animals for fun? Ugh.

 

Hunting is not a sport.

[Kenny]

What gets my ire is the argument that the Confederate flag was never a symbol of hate but a symbol of proud southern heritage, an argument that is empty by virtue of its history. For decades hate groups have proudly displayed the Confederate flag and, until of late, I don't recall a single protest against any hate group for identifying with the Confederate flag.

 

Agreed. Pride in a racist Confederate history is just grotesque.

[Kenny]

Hunting is not a sport.

 

Hunting is not a sport when it's essential for survival. These days, survival is almost never the reason.

[Frequentflier]

I don't recall a single protest against any hate group for identifying with the Confederate flag.

 

A very telling observation. Americans spend too much time in front of the TV. Had they been educating themselves people would have known the "confederate" flag is a battle field flag and membership in the Confederacy required the state to be a "slave state". So saying the flag doesn't equate to promoting racism is true, it required slavery and racism. I can imagine even a fair number of white trash rebels would reform and stop worshiping this flag if they educated themselves, were educated by others and/or political leaders became real leaders.

[Frequentflier]

Hunting is not a sport when it's essential for survival. These days, survival is almost never the reason.

 

A plant based diet is more healthy and meat isn't necessary for human life. I abhor hunting and those that try and glorify it. If there is justice in the universe, hunters will come back as animals hunted by hunters who are bad shots or bow hunters.

[AdamSmith]

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[bigvalboy]

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[mike carey]

Ein Vaterland . . . Ein Reich . . . Ein Volk

[robberbaron4u]

!!!DAMN YANKEE!!! Always stirring up trouble betweenst "us and our people". . .Great Grandpa, the "Major", sold goods to both sides of the War of the Rebellion, and, thereby, I assume him, having wrapped himself in the respective banners of the opposing forces without discrimination, to had been a humanitarian in the course of that conflict, and he subscribed handsomely, to the erection of memorial monuments to the Blue and the Gray. In death, he was buried, by his own request, in his dress CSA uniform and wrapped in the regimental flag of his cavalry company he had commanded in the course of the "dispute".

[Guest]

What needs to come next is for Congress to pass a law forbidding the states from choosing traitors for placement in the National Statuary Collection in the U.S. Capitol. I find it outrageous that there are statues of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis in the United States Capitol.

[bigvalboy]

!!!DAMN YANKEE!!! Always stirring up trouble betweenst "us and our people". . .Great Grandpa, the "Major", sold goods to both sides of the War of the Rebellion, and, thereby, I assume him, having wrapped himself in the respective banners of the opposing forces without discrimination, to had been a humanitarian in the course of that conflict, and he subscribed handsomely, to the erection of memorial monuments to the Blue and the Gray. In death, he was buried, by his own request, in his dress CSA uniform and wrapped in the regimental flag of his cavalry company he had commanded in the course of the "dispute".

 

 

I'm guessing "Great Grandpa, the Major" was white...

[Lookin]

Ein Vaterland . . . Ein Reich . . . Ein Volk

 

. . . Ein Arschloch .http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f351614734328c4fc1075ed771992566f1c34b12.gif

[robberbaron4u]

I'm guessing "Great Grandpa, the Major" was white...

As white as the driven snow. . .LOL. . .

[+ Funguy]

What needs to come next is for Congress to pass a law forbidding the states from choosing traitors for placement in the National Statuary Collection in the U.S. Capitol. I find it outrageous that there are statues of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis in the United States Capitol.

 

These gentlemen are significant historical figures in the formation of these United States. Perhaps I am naive but I don't think that even the majority of present day "Northerners" think of these men as "traitors". The statues are donated by each state and depict those individuals who were considered to be important historical figures in THEIR states.

[+ Funguy]

". . . Ein Arschloch .http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f351614734328c4fc1075ed771992566f1c34b12.gif"

 

Ein riesiges Arschloch!

[Bart]

Mocha is quite right, is not the symbols we should be worried about but the parents who raise their children to ignore the constitution that all men are created equal (QTR and FF women did not have rights back then). Confederate flag does not belong on a state building but it does belong in the museum and in the history books. It is unfortunate it took a white supremacist to murder nine members of a church in a church to get this accomplished. This should have happened 50 years ago. But regardless the discussion is finally moving forward.

 

But if I use the constitution as a basis for argument, I can not in good conscience make this an argument about gun control. I doubt gun control would have changed the outcome. I am quite certain he could have bolted the doors from the outside and started a fire, as was the usual case in south in the past when burning black churches was more common place. We do have the right to bear arms and in this case it was not some high end army rifle. I don't think you need to own 20 different fire arms. I don't if he had the smarts but I am sure he could have gotten some fertilizer and made a bomb. I don't own a gun and never will, not comfortable with it but people do have the right to own firearms.

 

I think we need to go back to Mocha's original remarks and remember this case of killing is the result of culture of hate and lack of respect for human life. Society is better served by pursuing elimination of the hateful ideology of organizations like the KKK and exposing the people who are connected to these organizations which espouse the principal that all men are "not" created equal.