Need help finding a "ultra high-end" escort - for my boss!

[Guest Starbuck]

Creative Writing 101 (well, maybe 201) … sign up as a Member of the online Forum of your choosing (bonus points for choosing one related to SEX) … on your first day as a Member, create a post (800 words or less) asking for guidance from other Forum members … you will be graded for the creativity of your post … for walking the fine line between improbability and believability … for how much response you draw from other Forum Members … and for how long your thread continues before someone says, Hey, wait a minute, is this a Creative Writing assignment? *

 

[* Extra credit if you can keep the thread going even after creative writing is suspected.]

[rocky]

Am I the only one who finds this entire post not even a bit, fake? And I just find it amazing that after posting what I believe are serious questions about how to find a great travel companion or I'm traveling to this city; that we have so many responses to someone who professes to be a man servant to some high powered heterosexual person in NYC that wants his assistant to find a "gay for Pay' but be quiet for it. Somehow, I'm finding this a bit like a movie that I don't want to see

[Guest RexB]

Are we sure this isn't one of those cases where the person is actually asking for himself but he hides behind a question like, "I have a friend who is too embarrassed to ask but he would like to know such and such.

It sounds like discretion taken to the point of ridiculous. Who is this person who has to be so damned careful, the Pope? the President? Pat Robertson? He sounds like he's taken self-importance to the point of insanity. Who's so interested in what he does that they'll be checking out every little detail so they can catch him doing something "wrong".

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I'd spend ridiculous amounts of money on escorts if I were rich. But I wouldn't have someone else audition them. I'd want the fun of doing that myself!

 

Rob

 

Yes, but you're a bigger whore* than I am.

 

*but not Ace

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

I don't think the post is fake, but I'll leave the door ajar that it could be. Assuming the thread is real, what I do think is danneeoo's boss is overreacting. He may be so selective that he would be happy with anyone.

 

He is not the only person hiring escorts that need discretion. Many of the members of this forum, whether actively posting members or "lurkers" want the ability to keep their activities with escorts quiet. Some are married, some are senior executives with Fortune 500 companies, and others may have a public persona to protect.

 

He may be new to this great experience of hiring escorts, so let me give these thoughts.

 

(1) If he is concerned about a face picture because a doorman might make a connection, that alone will not cause him problems. If someone is coming to his building regularly enough to draw a doorman's suspicion, the doorman will make the assumption whether he takes the time to research whether or not the escort has a face picture on line.

 

(2) Discretion is important and there are plenty of great escorts on this site or reviewed here that are discrete. Some show face pics and some do not. The guys that have made a true career of escorting are going to be discrete. Start with any of the previous escorts of the year and I would be confident there is discretion.

[m.yi]

Even if your boss is the Devil and wears Prada, I bet he would prefer to do the hiring himself.

 

I would never let someone I work with hire for me, much more a subordinate. Makes anyone vulnerable to blackmail.

 

If you're gonna come up with something to troll posters, make it convincing. Time to come clean. Peace.

[+ WilliamM]

Well, you are unique on the forum in that I don't know any members who post with any frequency who would use an assistant to hire, or go through the costs associated with auditioning possibly multiple escorts.

 

Just sayin'.

 

My take. Either danneeoo is asking in the wrong place, or it was a fake situation from the beginning. Fake because people have made some good recommendations (do not know about the PMs), and every suggestion has been found wanting. At this point, danneeoo should be asking about other ways to find his 'ideal' guy -- instead he has not posted in over a hour. To be fair, he may has decided on where else to search as the result of a PM exchange.

[maninsoma]

I know the thread about the person concerned about the condom breaking was viewed by some as fake, but I was willing to go along with that scenario since I know that many people remain quite unsophisticated when it comes to sexual health.

 

I must say that my BS meter was pegging before I even finished the first post of this thread, though. Sure, it's possible that this scenario is legitimate. If it is, however, asking for specific recommendations on a board like this when discretion seems to be the biggest concern just makes no sense. Of course people here are going to recommend escorts who are well known. If some closeted guy truly wants to hire someone who has very view clients, doesn't advertise, and never shows his face online, even in private messages, then obviously he needs to do his searching in a different way. And while I've never been an assistant to someone rich and powerful, I would assume such an assistant would have connections with other assistants. The one who started this thread even implied that he knows of other assistants who have previously been asked to find escorts for their bosses. Surely that's the direction one needs to go. No, I'm not suggesting something so indiscreet that he would be outing his boss's desire to have sex with a man, but surely there's a way to have an indirect conversation with other assistants who have provided such a service before as to names of providers and/or agents. Even if the referral is to a woman or an agent for a woman, a call to that person could probably lead to a connection with a man.

 

But, again, even though my previous paragraph discussed this scenario as if it's real, I still think someone's just jerking our collective chain.

[+ azdr0710]

he has not posted in over a hour.

 

it was 9:45 pm in NY when you posted this.....safe to assume danneeoo has gone home for the day.....

[+ quoththeraven]

I wonder why everyone assumes danneeoo is male. Most assistants are female, and nothing's been said that negates that possibility.

 

If it's a puton, it's a puton by someone who's taken the time to read the forums and knows the right names to drop, like Dave from M2M. It doesn't strain my credulity to believe that some high-powered Wall Street/finance type (that's who this semi-public figure sounds like to me) asked his assistant to make this inquiry because he doesn't want to waste his time on preliminaries.

 

Taking this at face value (and even if it's not face value, its entertaining), the boss' main problem is he's expecting too much. Intelligent, accomplished, and no face pics -- all of which I can get behind (catering to a high-powered clientele that doesn't want others to realize they're having dinner with or socializing with an escort is the reason Juan Bruno has given for not showing face pics) -- and a few clients a month? That doesn't happen. It especially doesn't happen for someone looking for a multihour hire 2-3 times a month. I mean, he's not even committing to a weekend, let alone a week's vacation.

 

Intelligent and accomplished escorts are in demand, and male escorts don't generally charge the super-high rates that would enable them to stay as exclusive as this guy wants. Either they're in demand and see a reasonable number of clients a week -- the most exclusive may limit themselves to one or two clients a day -- or they're kept men/kept boys on a retainer, which usually involves complete exclusivity. I'm not aware of some in-between category, and I'm not sure why the thread on high-end escorts to which you refer gave you the impression that there was one.

 

If he can be a little less paranoid or less hung up on exclusivity, there are plenty of experienced, well-reviewed, intelligent escorts who don't show or share face pics and haven't (as far as I know) been in porn. Here are the ones I can think of of off the top of my head:

 

Juan Bruno/Juan Vancouver (Vancouver)

Rod Hagen (LA)

Dane Scott (Palm Springs)

Steven Draker (Brussels, but he's in the States at the moment)

Chris Eisenhower (DC)

Legendary Dave (DC)

Raul G. Manzo (Chicago, but he rarely if ever travels)

 

Fair warning (and because I don't want any of the above-listed people to get mad at me): I've met several of the above escorts, have hired one myself, and have "talked" on the forum with others. My sense is that many of them won't be interested in this scenario if it is for real because of the way your boss is approaching it. There may simply be too many red flags, there may be too many hoops to jump through, or they may be put off by his seeming paranoia, as if they weren't already discreet enough.

 

Any escort worth his salt should know how to fly under the radar with respect to bellboys and doormen, especially if they don't enter together or (possibly more important) don't leave together.

 

Good luck with the interview idea, though. I would think most escorts would want to meet with the principal. And all due respect, you can't possibly be as good at picking who your boss is attracted to as your boss is.

[+ Robster]

I wonder why everyone assumes danneeoo is male. Most assistants are female, and nothing's been said that negates that possibility.

His profile says he's male.

 

Rob

[danneeoo]

To address the people who think I am a fake poster/creative writer (I wish) for the last time, there is no possible way I could prove to you that I am real other than to say that if you think this sounds outlandish or expensive, you cannot imagine the kind of money these people have and spend, and on what, especially when they want privacy and convenience. My boss is not a billionaire, but he's more than half way there. This is a crowd who bristle at the idea of spending merely $20k on a one-way international first class flight when, in a bind at the last minute, their private jet share, which costs much more, is for some reason not available. And it's not that they're stupid about money. They want privacy and exclusivity. People--doctors, therapists, tailors, tutors, etc. come to them. Hell, even when they feel like "going shopping," they don't go through the front door when they walk into the Prada store or some suit shop on Saville Row. They come in through the private door in the back, which leads straight to private rooms where attendants bring them the things they might want. The cost of something like flying someone in for an interview is a drop in the bucket--a transcon plane ticket at most, a hotel room, maybe a 2 day rate, a few cabs. They wouldn't even consider paying so little for a suit. Over the years, he's had people fly in for interviews or one hour appointments: au pairs, tutors, ski instructors, tailors, hairstylists, architects, contractors, decorators, event planners, pr professionals, and the list could go on (I can't think of anyone else I've personally arranged for at the moment).

 

Well, you are unique on the forum in that I don't know any members who post with any frequency who would use an assistant to hire, or go through the costs associated with auditioning possibly multiple escorts.

 

Just sayin'.

 

I'd spend ridiculous amounts of money on escorts if I were rich. But I wouldn't have someone else audition them. I'd want the fun of doing that myself!

 

Rob

 

 

I realize these needs are unique, which is why I bothered posting at all after several attempts at finding someone who fits the bill otherwise. I'm not auditioning them. Interviewing. I don't plan to lay a finger on anyone.

 

 

And I just find it amazing that after posting what I believe are serious questions about how to find a great travel companion or I'm traveling to this city; that we have so many responses to someone who professes to be a man servant to some high powered heterosexual person in NYC that wants his assistant to find a "gay for Pay' but be quiet for it.

 

 

This is a serious question, whether you "believe" it to be as legitimate as your questions or not. No one said he was looking for gay-for-pay. I don't appreciate the condescension of calling me a servant, but I'll leave the name-calling entirely to you.

 

 

Are we sure this isn't one of those cases where the person is actually asking for himself but he hides behind a question like, "I have a friend who is too embarrassed to ask but he would like to know such and such.

It sounds like discretion taken to the point of ridiculous. Who is this person who has to be so damned careful, the Pope? the President? Pat Robertson?

 

 

This is not for me, but again, you'll believe what you want. My boss is not any of those people, but there are many people whose worlds would be blasted apart if it were to surface they were hiring male escorts. He's one of them. This point of view strikes me as rather naive even when not talking about someone at this level.

 

 

(1) If he is concerned about a face picture because a doorman might make a connection, that alone will not cause him problems. If someone is coming to his building regularly enough to draw a doorman's suspicion, the doorman will make the assumption whether he takes the time to research whether or not the escort has a face picture on line.

 

(2) Discretion is important and there are plenty of great escorts on this site or reviewed here that are discrete. Some show face pics and some do not. The guys that have made a true career of escorting are going to be discrete. Start with any of the previous escorts of the year and I would be confident there is discretion.

 

 

I will bring point 2 up with him. Point 1, unless you've worked among the employ of high profile people, and I don't know maybe you have, it would amaze you how blabber-mouthed we can be amongst each other. Not me, which is why I've gotten to the level I have. Doormen are the absolute worst gossips. The. Worst. Of the worst of the worst of the worst. For all of you who confide in your doormen, beware.

 

 

I would never let someone I work with hire for me, much more a subordinate. Makes anyone vulnerable to blackmail.

 

 

Trust me, he has more important (and lucrative) things to do. Trust me, he would have no patience for the process that this has been or in dealing with the pile-on of "you're not even real"s. And trust me, we already have enough to blackmail each other several times over. If I wanted to blackmail him, that's not even where I'd start. Good or bad, it's the nature of the odd job of domestic assisting. (I do not deal with his work matters very often.)

 

 

My take. Either danneeoo is asking in the wrong place, or it was a fake situation from the beginning. Fake because people have made some good recommendations (do not know about the PMs), and every suggestion has been found wanting. At this point, danneeoo should be asking about other ways to find his 'ideal' guy -- instead he has not posted in over a hour. To be fair, he may has decided on where else to search as the result of a PM exchange.

 

I don't find a few hours away from work for dinner with family to be too long a time, personally. I wish there were in fact a number of good recommendations made on the public part of this forum, but that just isn't the case. Most of them were not qualified by the standards I laid out at the beginning, plain and simple. If people had refrained from making suggestions that blatantly did not fit the bill, it wouldn't look like everyone was "found wanting." I was specific and direct on that I want to know how to tap the underground scene that people regularly allude to on here, since I think that would be the most productive venue. So far, there's been a bit of help. As to the "other ways" comment, I very clearly asked NOT WHO (which most have chimed in on), but HOW I could find what I'm looking for, to tap into that scene, from my very first post. Some people seemed to have "inside" knowledge. Maybe they just don't want to disclose it.

 

If some closeted guy truly wants to hire someone who has very view clients, doesn't advertise, and never shows his face online, even in private messages, then obviously he needs to do his searching in a different way. And while I've never been an assistant to someone rich and powerful, I would assume such an assistant would have connections with other assistants. The one who started this thread even implied that he knows of other assistants who have previously been asked to find escorts for their bosses. Surely that's the direction one needs to go. No, I'm not suggesting something so indiscreet that he would be outing his boss's desire to have sex with a man, but surely there's a way to have an indirect conversation with other assistants who have provided such a service before as to names of providers and/or agents. Even if the referral is to a woman or an agent for a woman, a call to that person could probably lead to a connection with a man.

 

But, again, even though my previous paragraph discussed this scenario as if it's real, I still think someone's just jerking our collective chain.

 

it was 9:45 pm in NY when you posted this.....safe to assume danneeoo has gone home for the day.....

 

With all due respect, I think you miss the entire point of the need for discretion. He does not want anyone remotely in our orbit to be keyed into that he's asked me this because his desire is for a guy. The other assistants I've known to get their bosses laid were looking for straight hookups, which is much more straightforward. Anyway, that rules out pow-wowing with other assistants because, again, most of us aren't as quiet as we're supposed to be. Obviously, in these stages, I am not using my real name and haven't given any information out that would make him immediately identifiable.

 

I actually have contacted Dave at m2m. I have contacted female agencies and independent women, with few results since they wall want some sort of verification process before proceeding. Even the ones who did respond had nothing useful unfortunately. I turned to the Forum because it appears to be the place online where male escorting is discussed moropenly, because people seem generally willing to help and because it sounds from previous threads like there might be a scene that could do the trick. Pun intended. I just need help figure out how to hire from within that scene.

[danneeoo]

it was 9:45 pm in NY when you posted this.....safe to assume danneeoo has gone home for the day.....

Thank you. Dinner, actually.

[+ purplekow]

This scenario seems less and less grounded in reality the more it's described.

I clicked on Danneeoo to send him a PM and wound up being unable to get back to this site using that computer name. I advised caution when treading here as I was able to get back on this site after changing screen names. Could be a coincidence but since this thread is getting a bit out there, I would just let you know my experience, your mileage may vary. I have decided not to suggest an escort who met all the stated criteria. Agree that Alec would have been a perfect match except for the requirement that there be no public face. Alec is smart and a Smart Alec he is indeed.

[danneeoo]

I wonder why everyone assumes danneeoo is male. Most assistants are female, and nothing's been said that negates that possibility.

 

If it's a puton, it's a puton by someone who's taken the time to read the forums and knows the right names to drop, like Dave from M2M. It doesn't strain my credulity to believe that some high-powered Wall Street/finance type (that's who this semi-public figure sounds like to me) asked his assistant to make this inquiry because he doesn't want to waste his time on preliminaries.

 

Taking this at face value (and even if it's not face value, its entertaining), the boss' main problem is he's expecting too much. Intelligent, accomplished, and no face pics -- all of which I can get behind (catering to a high-powered clientele that doesn't want others to realize they're having dinner with or socializing with an escort is the reason Juan Bruno has given for not showing face pics) -- and a few clients a month? That doesn't happen. It especially doesn't happen for someone looking for a multihour hire 2-3 times a month. I mean, he's not even committing to a weekend, let alone a week's vacation.

 

Intelligent and accomplished escorts are in demand, and male escorts don't generally charge the super-high rates that would enable them to stay as exclusive as this guy wants. Either they're in demand and see a reasonable number of clients a week -- the most exclusive may limit themselves to one or two clients a day -- or they're kept men/kept boys on a retainer, which usually involves complete exclusivity. I'm not aware of some in-between category, and I'm not sure why the thread on high-end escorts to which you refer gave you the impression that there was one.

 

If he can be a little less paranoid or less hung up on exclusivity, there are plenty of experienced, well-reviewed, intelligent escorts who don't show or share face pics and haven't (as far as I know) been in porn. Here are the ones I can think of of off the top of my head:

 

Juan Bruno/Juan Vancouver (Vancouver)

Rod Hagen (LA)

Dane Scott (Palm Springs)

Steven Draker (Brussels, but he's in the States at the moment)

Chris Eisenhower (DC)

Legendary Dave (DC)

Raul G. Manzo (Chicago, but he rarely if ever travels)

 

Fair warning (and because I don't want any of the above-listed people to get mad at me): I've met several of the above escorts, have hired one myself, and have "talked" on the forum with others. My sense is that many of them won't be interested in this scenario if it is for real because of the way your boss is approaching it. There may simply be too many red flags, there may be too many hoops to jump through, or they may be put off by his seeming paranoia, as if they weren't already discreet enough.

 

Any escort worth his salt should know how to fly under the radar with respect to bellboys and doormen, especially if they don't enter together or (possibly more important) don't leave together.

 

Good luck with the interview idea, though. I would think most escorts would want to meet with the principal. And all due respect, you can't possibly be as good at picking who your boss is attracted to as your boss is.

 

Not that it's relevant, but I am a guy. Thanks for your constructive feedback. Those all seem like good things to take into consideration, and I'm certain we'll return to this topic in the next couple days, he and I, and I'll discuss some of this with him. It is quite helpful to know that the scene I thought existed (the "in-between" scene) may not. I must confess that part of my hunt has been driven by the belief that there might be some parallel male universe to the way female escorts conduct business...higher fees, less clients. But am I to gather that this isn't actually the case? So far, this is a big part of it for him.

 

I wonder if my boss will eventually have to end up going "without" if what you say is true about the process being too much for male escorts. It seems quite typical for the day-to-day life that he leads, but maybe these two worlds are fundamentally incompatible? After all, I could say in return "my boss won't be interested in this scenario because of the way you approach your escorting business."

 

Anyway, good stuff to chew on. Thanks, QTR.

[+ quoththeraven]

His profile says he's male.

 

Rob

 

Thanks for the correction/information. I forgot that indicating gender is an option with the new software and didn't bother to check.

[danneeoo]

I clicked on Danneeoo to send him a PM and wound up being unable to get back to this site using that computer name. I advised caution when treading here as I was able to get back on this site after changing screen names. Could be a coincidence but since this thread is getting a bit out there, I would just let you know my experience, your mileage may vary. I have decided not to suggest an escort who met all the stated criteria. Agree that Alec would have been a perfect match except for the requirement that there be no public face. Alec is smart and a Smart Alec he is indeed.

 

I'm unclear what you're saying...or suggesting?

[+ quoththeraven]

Not that it's relevant, but I am a guy. Thanks for your constructive feedback. Those all seem like good things to take into consideration, and I'm certain we'll return to this topic in the next couple days, he and I, and I'll discuss some of this with him. It is quite helpful to know that the scene I thought existed (the "in-between" scene) may not. I must confess that part of my hunt has been driven by the belief that there might be some parallel male universe to the way female escorts conduct business...higher fees, less clients. But am I to gather that this isn't actually the case? So far, this is a big part of it for him.

 

I wonder if my boss will eventually have to end up going "without" if what you say is true about the process being too much for male escorts. It seems quite typical for the day-to-day life that he leads, but maybe these two worlds are fundamentally incompatible? After all, I could say in return "my boss won't be interested in this scenario because of the way you approach your escorting business."

 

Anyway, good stuff to chew on. Thanks, QTR.

 

I could be wrong, but my impression is there is no parallel male universe to higher fee, fewer client female escorts. Male escorts are as much in it because they enjoy sex as for the money, and status isn't a huge factor to them, though it may be to their clients. High-end female escorts, I'd say, are more in it for the money and status.

 

It's more that just as doing this personally is too big a time commitment for your boss from an economic as well as a personal point of view, it's too much of a time commitment for the escorts even if they're being paid for their time, plus it's a little intrusive and could well raise red flags that the client is too high maintenance and the escort is better off (and safer) passing on the idea. If they're successful, they're not going to change their business model just to accommodate your boss, and most of them not only wouldn't want to forego the majority of their other clients and income -- that would be disastrous for them economically, as it would piss off a lot of people -- they wouldn't want to forego the sexual variety, either.

 

Bottom line, I think your boss is looking for an escorting business model that doesn't exist because no escort who loves his work would be able to sustain it. It's risky to rely on so few clients and it's not the way these escorts and their clients are wired.

[danneeoo]

I could be wrong, but my impression is there is no parallel male universe to higher fee, fewer client female escorts. Male escorts are as much in it because they enjoy sex as for the money, and status isn't a huge factor to them, though it may be to their clients. High-end female escorts, I'd say, are more in it for the money and status.

 

It's more that just as doing this personally is too big a time commitment for your boss from an economic as well as a personal point of view, it's too much of a time commitment for the escorts even if they're being paid for their time, plus it's a little intrusive and could well raise red flags that the client is too high maintenance and the escort is better off (and safer) passing on the idea. If they're successful, they're not going to change their business model just to accommodate your boss, and most of them not only wouldn't want to forego the majority of their other clients and income -- that would be disastrous for them economically, as it would piss off a lot of people -- they wouldn't want to forego the sexual variety, either.

 

Bottom line, I think your boss is looking for an escorting business model that doesn't exist because no escort who loves his work would be able to sustain it. It's risky to rely on so few clients and it's not the way these escorts and their clients are wired.

 

I find this post uber fascinating from the point of view of understanding people and their behaviors. More to chew on, more to discuss with him. Thank you.

 

No, I understand and I wouldn't ask (nor would he) someone to change their business practices. He would feel the same way about his vetting of escorts (and everyone for that matter) as the escorts would feel about changing their practices. Which is why my post was about that in-between world because it seems most if not all of the RB type advertisers wouldn't fit the bill. That's why I wonder whether these two worlds, at least how he and his peers conduct theirs, are incompatible. He is definitely not looking for a kept boy though. He has remarked how his friends with kept girls, it doesn't appeal to him...the drama, the jealousies, the expectations. Within his parameters, he's practical and sorta transactional and the idea of just paying for it every other week with the same person is most appealing for him. A shelled interaction so to speak. His desire for someone with fewer clients is about minimizing potential for exposure and simply liking things to be limited in availability. Just not to an extent that he's the only one, because that's more hassle than he's willing to take on.

 

Do you think a kept-boy situation could offer the limitation to exposure that he desires as much as the theoretical, for lack of a better word, "in between guy" he wants to find?

[danneeoo]

I clicked on Danneeoo to send him a PM and wound up being unable to get back to this site using that computer name. I advised caution when treading here as I was able to get back on this site after changing screen names. Could be a coincidence but since this thread is getting a bit out there, I would just let you know my experience, your mileage may vary. I have decided not to suggest an escort who met all the stated criteria. Agree that Alec would have been a perfect match except for the requirement that there be no public face. Alec is smart and a Smart Alec he is indeed.

 

Also please reconsider the PM. I assure you I had nothing to do what what sound like computer/internet/server problems. I have no control whatsoever over message-forum servers!

[kaboom35]

they don't go through the front door when they walk into the Prada store or some suit shop on Saville Row. They come in through the private door in the back, which leads straight to private rooms where attendants bring them the things they might want.

 

What a horrible way to live. If I couldn't walk through the front door of Target, I wouldn't want to live...

[+ SundayZip]

Actually, I do have access to a secret network of highly intelligent, very discreet, ultra ultra high end escorts. These are some of the most exclusive, rare, high quality men on the planet. OMG! They are amazing. But I should probably keep the secret to myself.

[danneeoo]

What a horrible way to live. If I couldn't walk through the front door of Target, I wouldn't want to live...

 

To each his own. I don't think he's ever even stepped inside a Target to be honest.

[danneeoo]

Actually, I do have access to a secret network of highly intelligent, very discreet, ultra ultra high end escorts. These are some of the most exclusive, rare, high quality men on the planet. OMG! They are amazing. But I should probably keep the secret to myself.

 

If this sarcasm I am sensing isn't actually sarcasm (not my forte), I hope you'll PM me.

[+ not2rowdy]

Have you considered gay friendly masseurs?

Many indicate a willingness to go further than just massage.

That might offer both “legitimacy” and “plausible deniability” for your employers protection. Especially if they are licensed.

 

Just a new tangent to think about for your your search.

 

www.massagem4m.com

www.masseurfinder.com

www.sexymasseur.com

www.rentmasseur.com

www.manworks.com

 

Good luck!