Suggestions for an incall twentysomething white top in Los Angeles

[Rudynate]

I hired Rod Jackson to model in the mid-80's. I lived in Denver at the time. In the 80's, Denver was the capital of the penny stock market. I worked for a video production company that made piles of money producing videos for pre-IPO due diligence presentations. We were working on a video for a company producing a new line of exercise equipment that was co-founded by Boyer Coe, a big-name bodybuilder back then. We needed models and Rod was a trainer at the gym I went to. So I got him to model for the video and paired him with this young piece of cheesecake I had worked with on a previous job. They both wore those brilliantly colored workout singlets that were so popular in the 80's. Years later, I would think, "I knew Rod way back when . . . ."

[vabballfan]

This is complete and total bullshit. To give someone a hard time because he is into a "twentysomething white top" is completely absurd. Everyone has their sexual ideal and especially when you are paying for it you should get as close to your ideal partner as possible.

 

I am not attracted to or sexually turned on by black guys, Asian guys or very ethnic Hispanic guys. Sorry, that's the way my libido works. To call me a bigot or being discriminatory is completely ridiculous - I don't discriminate against black people, Asian people or Hispanic people - they just don't turn me on in bed. Just like I'm not particularly into men with tattoos - I don't like them, they turn me off (sorry, can't control the fact that they are a turnoff for me) and I won't hire most escorts with tattoos. If I'm hiring an escort he has to be pretty exceptional if he's over 35 for me to want to hire him. I'm over 60 and I'm not an ageist - it's just that when I'm with an escort a lot of it is fantasy and an attraction thing. I'm more attracted to men up to 35, sorry. I'm paying and if I'm not turned on by the escort then I'm not hiring and paying. It's my fucking money for God's sake. My ideal escort is in his mid to late twenties, blond hair, blue eyes, well built but not a bodybuilder, hairy chest, no tattoos, drop dead gorgeous, at least 9 inches and thick and totally versatile - if I can find that why would that make me discriminatory - it just means I would be getting what I want for my money.

 

There are times when an insistence on political correctness goes to the extreme and this is one of them. Lay off of the OP and get a life.

 

For a "whore" (his words not mine) to give someone a hard time and telling them they are missing out on meeting some great men is absurd in the context of this discussion. This is not a general social situation - it is a client soliciting the services of a sex worker. The person that is hiring has no obligation to hire someone they are not into sexually - end of discussion.

[Nvr2Thick]

Don't hire me. I'm way too old, and way too white. And you, with all respect, sound like an asshole.

 

If this was a posting on Craig's List for rental properties, you'd be banned and maybe busted. This is the language they use at the top of a posting:

 

Discrimination by race/origin, age, family status ('no kids' 'ideal for one'), disability, creed, sexual orientation, or income source is illegal under fair housing law. Describe premises, not people.

 

 

If you posted on Craigslist looking for a small house, with a brick exterior, built in 1985 or later you probably wouldn't be banned or busted. If you said you wanted to buy it from a young, blonde realtor you'd be in trouble. Escorting is a bit trickier because the product or services is also the person representing the product or service.

 

It is, however, certainly appropriate appropriate to talk about our preferred escort characteristics on a forum where we talk about escorts.

[JDXXX]

I'm inclined to agree.

 

It could be nothing more than my paranoia, but I have the sensation that everyday conversation has become a minefield of context and connotation. One particular incident that stays in my memory is when the phrase "you people," which used to be an innocuous reference to a gathering of individuals, became a pejorative for disrespect.

 

Apparently, mom is right again̶̶--it's not what you say/write but how you say/write it."

 

Exactly the same thing my mom said, Sync. Which is why I'm quite careful of what I say. However - a lot of what Steven is saying - Is 100 percent CORRECT.

You keep posting, Steven. Definitely are one hell of an amazing writer, sweetie, and I'm quite proud of you, and your many intellectual postings. They're not only informative, but pure writing genius at it's BEST.

Good Job, baby!!

[MiamiLooker]

This is complete and total bullshit. To give someone a hard time because he is into a "twentysomething white top" is completely absurd. Everyone has their sexual ideal and especially when you are paying for it you should get as close to your ideal partner as possible.

 

I am not attracted to or sexually turned on by black guys, Asian guys or very ethnic Hispanic guys. Sorry, that's the way my libido works. To call me a bigot or being discriminatory is completely ridiculous - I don't discriminate against black people, Asian people or Hispanic people - they just don't turn me on in bed. Just like I'm not particularly into men with tattoos - I don't like them, they turn me off (sorry, can't control the fact that they are a turnoff for me) and I won't hire most escorts with tattoos. If I'm hiring an escort he has to be pretty exceptional if he's over 35 for me to want to hire him. I'm over 60 and I'm not an ageist - it's just that when I'm with an escort a lot of it is fantasy and an attraction thing. I'm more attracted to men up to 35, sorry. I'm paying and if I'm not turned on by the escort then I'm not hiring and paying. It's my fucking money for God's sake. My ideal escort is in his mid to late twenties, blond hair, blue eyes, well built but not a bodybuilder, hairy chest, no tattoos, drop dead gorgeous, at least 9 inches and thick and totally versatile - if I can find that why would that make me discriminatory - it just means I would be getting what I want for my money.

 

There are times when an insistence on political correctness goes to the extreme and this is one of them. Lay off of the OP and get a life.

 

For a "whore" (his words not mine) to give someone a hard time and telling them they are missing out on meeting some great men is absurd in the context of this discussion. This is not a general social situation - it is a client soliciting the services of a sex worker. The person that is hiring has no obligation to hire someone they are not into sexually - end of discussion.

 

+1

 

But your rebuttal is only four paragraphs long. If you want to be taken seriously, it should be at least six or more paragraphs. You’re important enough for at least a six paragraph-er, maybe even an eight, but probably not more than that.

 

Maybe it’s a bit more difficult for some escorts to accept the aging process, as well as other unchangeable facts of life, than the rest of us mere mortals, but it’s kind of insulting for them to whine about it.

[JDXXX]

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I am not attracted to or sexually turned on by black guys, Asian guys or very ethnic Hispanic guys. Sorry, that's the way my libido works. To call me a bigot or being discriminatory is completely ridiculous - I don't discriminate against black people, Asian people or Hispanic people - they just don't turn me on in bed. .

 

Okay, these attacks towards Steven or anyone else who believe for standing up for what's right is getting way too ridiculous here.

 

Guys - Wake up as alot of what Steven said in relation to blacks or other minorities being put in a "particular" box(even with being hired for VIP escorting opportunities) at times are 100% accurate. Black people witness, and still go these unfortunate obstcles til this very day on different levels of discrimination on many occasions with most professions. The demographics Steven has pointed out on this Thread is: THE TRUTH. Deal with it as you just read what vabballfan has just admitted which is the very point Steven been trying to make all along.

 

Let's face it, people we can't sugarcoat these issues as even now on this Thread I'm hearing ALOT of bigotry on this Thread with so many different topics - it's absurd, and disgusting to me at this point, guys. It's terrible to why people have so many hang ups on hiring escorts of a different race, and being very picky on so many different "preferences" it's unreal. Quite sad why this happens, and goes to show discrimination of age or not hiring someone based on color of one's skin needs to be addressed, and heard for which I am doing coming from an African-American point of view based on experience as what Steven has mentioned wasn't exaggerated as there is a great deal of truth to everything he stated as they are actual facts to what we go through as a "minority" trying to belong in the United States.

 

As a fellow escort, I am not only on Steven's defense team regarding this topic, but to speak my part as an African-American male Courtesan who at times have difficulty in the world of escorting base on my race. I feel my voice need to be heard on a social, and psychological level to why I agree a lot of what Steven is saying as what he's saying on so many topics makes total sense on many levels as where "Minorities" are discriminated at times in this business along with most other professions.

 

Here it goes:

Vabballfan - I say this with the upmost, and sincere respect is that: You, and "Twentysomething" Top - are dead wrong on alot of comments you made about, Steven. One of the remarks you made for which I totally disagree with by all means regarding neither one of you not discriminating. What I have read in both you guys postings in relation to this "Thread" all together could come off as one who does "limit" themselves from hiring escorts of a different culture which proves Steven's point. You(Vabballfan) here on the forum implied you don't hire Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians as society likes to call outside the White American culture " Minorities" due to lack of sexual attraction.

 

Wonder why that is? Do you think only white guys are beautiful, and no other race would fit that caliber? Steven did enlighten us that he himself come from a family background where race matters, but as it turns out he escaped the closed-minded thinking his parents way of thinking and didn't "limit" himself to what made him the man he is today which is one who is an individual who is very open-minded - especially when it comes to race or age. I encourage you try beautiful men of all ages, and different races.

 

Everyone is entitled to hire anyone one you damn well please - I get that along with everybody else here on this forum who may have a "particular" preference, and your absolutely right on that as we have a right to spend our money however way(you as the client) we see fit if were paying for a fantasy of what our "type" of guy is, BUT don't come off or make others to believe on this forum think you don't have certain prejudices for which you have revealed in this thread. Hate it when people make it sound like going to bed with a black guy or older person is such a disease.

 

You need to calm down coming down by rattling on Steven so much, think over of what you wrote on this thread, look at yourself, and who you are as a person as to why your not attracted to other races sexually or why are you "objectifying" others. It's like your saying if the person is not white and 20 something - you want NOTHING to do with them which can come off as you discriminating whether you want to accept it or not. I know they're are "preferences", yes, I get that, BUT come on, sweetheart don't come off as we as "minorities" are not just as good as another group of people as they're are hot men of every race, and age group out there.

[JDXXX]

This is complete and total bullshit. To give someone a hard time because he is into a "twentysomething white top" is completely absurd. Everyone has their sexual ideal and especially when you are paying for it you should get as close to your ideal partner as possible.

 

I am not attracted to or sexually turned on by black guys, Asian guys or very ethnic Hispanic guys. Sorry, that's the way my libido works. To call me a bigot or being discriminatory is completely ridiculous - I don't discriminate against black people, Asian people or Hispanic people - they just don't turn me on in bed.

 

One thing out of all this bothers me, and It boils down to an honest question of: How could you or anyone with this mind set call themselves a proud member of the LBGT community(knowing being gay in itself, of any race for that matter, is a disgrace in the eyes of most Americans in the heterosexual world in today's society are discriminated against) are going to pass judgment or discriminate towards someone's race as your discriminated against for being gay? I seriously think (which is common sense to anybody) that sort of thinking is beyond ridiculous as it can come off to most people as being hypocritical to a certain extent.

Yes, sweetheart, they're are heterosexuals out there in the "real" world who do not like you for being gay. How are we gonna be proud gay men trying to set an example of acceptance if were hating amongst our peers in the LBGT community due to age and what race they are? That don't make no kind of sense at all.

 

How are you going to discriminate on the basis of someone's skin color if your being discriminated against as a gay man? You wanna talk about Bullshit - THIS is one of them. Preference or no preference it's all the same as there is no right when it comes to prejudice of ANY kind. I could NEVER think like this as I am sexually attracted to ALL races and age groups. Have dated, and had sexual relations with all races and age group. One of my ex's was 51, the one before that was 33. I feel sorry for both you, and "Twentysomething", baby as your missing out by being so "picky", and closed-minded to other types of men out there.

 

Don't you, and others(who are not into other cultures sexually who have this mindset) know that not only could you be discriminated for being gay, but also(as you stated in your past thread) for being too old as well. How you like them apples thrown at you as it's not a pretty picture to look now is it? Imagine if some discriminated toward you for being white, and over 60? Would you like it if someone discriminated and judged you for no apparent reason cause they're darker than you? Where all the same no matter how you look at it as we have the same color of blood running through our veins which is in the end: RED.

 

What Steven was illiterating to some of you(who has this sort of "limited" way of thinking) was a true wake up call such is to how other White Americans in the United States could be "objectifying" or "Limiting" themselves from hiring escorts of different ethnicities. I've been told on occasion I wouldn't be hired on trips cause of my race being a factor on how I cant be "passed" off as a relative if questions are asked, "who is he, and why is he with you". It's a sense of shame, and embarrassment to have a black guy along I guess as a friend in the client's social circles.

 

Really is ashame that both you and "Twentysomething" are saying (literally) you wont "lay" in bed with a black, latino, or Asian escort says to me you(personally and professionally) you have a problem with race. Quite sad that in the 20th century we have still have problems in today's world with race.

 

I come across white guys who hire escorts on occasion tell me in my face how they wouldn't hire me on the count of me NOT being white, or my dick is too big - Oh, here's a good one, and this the cake, "You're not thug enough". When I heard that line I thought "WOW", is that a quite the stereotype as I thought I heard and seem it all. I mean, who wants to hear that line or be stereotyped. Certainly not me as I am a well educated, intelligent, All American boy type of guy who doesn't see a person's race or age for me to "interact" or be attracted them sexually. Was quite blessed to have such a humble upbringing as a lot of my family are from the "old school" generation, but like me, my family love, and welcome all people of all different races, age, and religious backgrounds.

 

As you all know - I am from the south as I was born, and raised in Stone Mountain, GA. Home of where the confederacy nation. I have seen, and been through some hash racism, so know it when I see it, and being in the world of escorting has taught me that a lot of this sad behavior still goes on, and what can we as a nation to change people outlook on discrimination. I come across from time-to-time a lot of guys who won't hire me even for long overnights cause of me being black or the fact they never been with a black man based on what they're family may say.

 

It's such a crying shame why such discrimination happens in today's society as no one deserve for people to judge or be mistreated or overlooked due to the color of they're skin. It's not right, but you're loss as your not giving the opportunity a chance due to "limiting" your options to enjoy men of all age groups and races.

 

Very proud I have clients who "accept" me for me, and not discard me based on race or age. No one like to be rejected or told they're rejected for no fault of they're own due to those factors as it's a horrible feeling to experience at times is the feeling of rejection.

 

Steven - Thank you, buddy for being so kind in pointing out the "obvious", and based on your past encounters with the African-American community what I have experienced as a black man living in the United States. As your seeing for yourself in our business more and more on this thread such these "limitations" are still happening in today's society which is sad of course, but maybe one day it'll change in the "new world". You brought out the very problem that black, latin, or Asian men - young and old in the business have went through, and still are going through today.

 

Steven is a great example of a older man who accepts me as gay man, and not see race or my age in order to be his friend and such. He's one instead of attacking or think he's full of shit is to take heed from as he is VERY open-minded, loving, caring, compassionate understanding person who loves me as friend for who I am and not let get my race or age get in the way of our bond as friends which is very special to me. He's special to me as I think he's an amazing man with a lot of beautiful qualities. Spent time at his house for 2 days, and had a BLAST together. Just adore this man as he is nothing but Outstanding. May I add he's sexy as hell too. Shhhhhhh. LOL.. Sorry Steven - Just had to throw that in, sweetie. Haha.

 

Thank God for the client's who don't see our age or race as an issue for them to hire us. I see we would be kicked to the curb according to this thread cause were either not White or 20 years old.

 

I pray you that those of you who are "limiting" yourselves will give other ethnicities one day the opportunity to be of service to you as we have a place in this world too believe it or not, and just as good as not only one race or age group is only the best they is. Why not try to give men other cultural backgrounds a piece of the pie. May turn out by tasting it, you may like it. . Don't knock it, baby unless you try it is what I say. Think about it!!!.

[tsgarp]

Can we please close this post? It's now out of hand. The OP did nothing wrong, and someone on here clearly needs to work some stuff out in therapy.

[Epigonos]

I certainly agree with Nvr2Thick when he states. “It is, however, certainly appropriate to talk about our preferred escort characteristics on a forum where we talk about escorts.”

 

However, over the years, on this site, there have been a multitude of threads highly critical of escorts who in their ads state that they won’t get together with old people, fat people or ethnic people. Should there be a different standard for clients?

[MiamiLooker]

One thing out of all this bothers me, and It boils down to an honest question of: How could you or anyone with this mind set call themselves a proud member of the LBGT community(knowing being gay in itself, of any race for that matter, is a disgrace in the eyes of most Americans in the heterosexual world in today's society are discriminated against) are going to pass judgment or discriminate towards someone's race as your discriminated against for being gay? I seriously think (which is common sense to anybody) that sort of thinking is beyond ridiculous as it can come off to most people as being hypocritical to a certain extent.

Yes, sweetheart, they're are heterosexuals out there in the "real" world who do not like you for being gay. How are we gonna be proud gay men trying to set an example of acceptance if were hating amongst our peers in the LBGT community due to age and what race they are? That don't make no kind of sense at all.

 

How are you going to discriminate on the basis of someone's skin color if your being discriminated against as a gay man? You wanna talk about Bullshit - THIS is one of them. Preference or no preference it's all the same as there is no right when it comes to prejudice of ANY kind. I could NEVER think like this as I am sexually attracted to ALL races and age groups. Have dated, and had sexual relations with all races and age group. One of my ex's was 51, the one before that was 33. I feel sorry for both you, and "Twentysomething", baby as your missing out by being so "picky", and closed-minded to other types of men out there.

 

Don't you, and others(who are not into other cultures sexually who have this mindset) know that not only could you be discriminated for being gay, but also(as you stated in your past thread) for being too old as well. How you like them apples thrown at you as it's not a pretty picture to look now is it? Imagine if some discriminated toward you for being white, and over 60? Would you like it if someone discriminated and judged you for no apparent reason cause they're darker than you? Where all the same no matter how you look at it as we have the same color of blood running through our veins which is in the end: RED.

 

What Steven was illiterating to some of you(who has this sort of "limited" way of thinking) was a true wake up call such is to how other White Americans in the United States could be "objectifying" or "Limiting" themselves from hiring escorts of different ethnicities. I've been told on occasion I wouldn't be hired on trips cause of my race being a factor on how I cant be "passed" off as a relative if questions are asked, "who is he, and why is he with you". It's a sense of shame, and embarrassment to have a black guy along I guess as a friend in the client's social circles.

 

Really is ashame that both you and "Twentysomething" are saying (literally) you wont "lay" in bed with a black, latino, or Asian escort says to me you(personally and professionally) you have a problem with race. Quite sad that in the 20th century we have still have problems in today's world with race.

 

I come across white guys who hire escorts on occasion tell me in my face how they wouldn't hire me on the count of me NOT being white, or my dick is too big - Oh, here's a good one, and this the cake, "You're not thug enough". When I heard that line I thought "WOW", is that a quite the stereotype as I thought I heard and seem it all. I mean, who wants to hear that line or be stereotyped. Certainly not me as I am a well educated, intelligent, All American boy type of guy who doesn't see a person's race or age for me to "interact" or be attracted them sexually. Was quite blessed to have such a humble upbringing as a lot of my family are from the "old school" generation, but like me, my family love, and welcome all people of all different races, age, and religious backgrounds.

 

As you all know - I am from the south as I was born, and raised in Stone Mountain, GA. Home of where the confederacy nation. I have seen, and been through some hash racism, so know it when I see it, and being in the world of escorting has taught me that a lot of this sad behavior still goes on, and what can we as a nation to change people outlook on discrimination. I come across from time-to-time a lot of guys who won't hire me even for long overnights cause of me being black or the fact they never been with a black man based on what they're family may say.

 

It's such a crying shame why such discrimination happens in today's society as no one deserve for people to judge or be mistreated or overlooked due to the color of they're skin. It's not right, but you're loss as your not giving the opportunity a chance due to "limiting" your options to enjoy men of all age groups and races.

 

Very proud I have clients who "accept" me for me, and not discard me based on race or age. No one like to be rejected or told they're rejected for no fault of they're own due to those factors as it's a horrible feeling to experience at times is the feeling of rejection.

 

Steven - Thank you, buddy for being so kind in pointing out the "obvious", and based on your past encounters with the African-American community what I have experienced as a black man living in the United States. As your seeing for yourself in our business more and more on this thread such these "limitations" are still happening in today's society which is sad of course, but maybe one day it'll change in the "new world". You brought out the very problem that black, latin, or Asian men - young and old in the business have went through, and still are going through today.

 

Steven is a great example of a older man who accepts me as gay man, and not see race or my age in order to be his friend and such. He's one instead of attacking or think he's full of shit is to take heed from as he is VERY open-minded, loving, caring, compassionate understanding person who loves me as friend for who I am and not let get my race or age get in the way of our bond as friends which is very special to me. He's special to me as I think he's an amazing man with a lot of beautiful qualities. Spent time at his house for 2 days, and had a BLAST together. Just adore this man as he is nothing but Outstanding. May I add he's sexy as hell too. Shhhhhhh. LOL.. Sorry Steven - Just had to throw that in, sweetie. Haha.

 

Thank God for the client's who don't see our age or race as an issue for them to hire us. I see we would be kicked to the curb according to this thread cause were either not White or 20 years old.

 

I pray you that those of you who are "limiting" yourselves will give other ethnicities one day the opportunity to be of service to you as we have a place in this world too believe it or not, and just as good as not only one race or age group is only the best they is. Why not try to give men other cultural backgrounds a piece of the pie. May turn out by tasting it, you may like it. . Don't knock it, baby unless you try it is what I say. Think about it!!!.

 

 

I assume you and some other escort posters have no-strings-attached sex from time to time. How many of those encounters are with a 60+ year old that you’ve sought out? Hopefully, you’re not discriminating in your sexual encounters based on age. You must have had plenty of opportunities at the Hooville meetups. Maybe you can tell us about a couple of them?

[JDXXX]

I assume you and some other escort posters have no-strings-attached sex from time to time. How many of those encounters are with a 60+ year old that you’ve sought out? Hopefully, you’re not discriminating in your sexual encounters based on age. You must have had plenty of opportunities at the Hooville meetups. Maybe you can tell us about a couple of them?

 

That's the thing Miami...I don't discriminate due to age as I have had many encounters with older gay men from 45 up to 72 years old. The one guy who 72 was a fuck buddy I use to see in Reseda CA back in 2013 was a regular .

[+ stevenkesslar]

If you posted on Craigslist looking for a small house, with a brick exterior, built in 1985 or later you probably wouldn't be banned or busted. If you said you wanted to buy it from a young, blonde realtor you'd be in trouble. Escorting is a bit trickier because the product or services is also the person representing the product or service.

 

It is, however, certainly appropriate to talk about our preferred escort characteristics on a forum where we talk about escorts.

 

You nailed it! It is certainly appropriate to talk about our preferred escort characteristics on a forum where we talk about escorts, as well as in the reviews about escorts themselves. I'm grateful this site exists, because people can make discriminating decisions to hire people like me based on the characteristics they are looking for, and they do. Believe me, I'm all for it.

 

I would be absolutely opposed to censoring words that try to govern how we speak. And I don't think you'll hear me using words like "racist" or "ageist" to describe this kind of behavior. Clubbing Rep. John Lewis practically to death on the Edmund Pettis bridge simply because he wanted to vote? That I would call racist. To me, calling somebody racist for saying he only wants to hire "white twenty somethings" would undermine my whole point, which is not to hurl around words that kind of are taken to mean, "I think you suck."

 

You're absolutely right that it is a bit trickier than that. I like what Epigonos said. Let's all have one standard. What should it be? To sum it up in two words, I'll suggest this: mutual respect.

 

See, and I even said it in only four paragraphs. :-)

[MiamiLooker]

That's the thing Miami...I don't discriminate due to age as I have had many encounters with older gay men from 45 up to 72 years old. The one guy who 72 was a fuck buddy I use to see in Reseda CA back in 2013 was a regular .

 

Well, maybe there'll be some hot older guys at the next Hooville event for you.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Well, maybe there'll be some hot older guys at the next Hooville event for you.

 

Exactly! You are most welcome to come to the party, if you are interested.

 

As part of the Palm Springs Prom Committee, I think I can speak for everybody involved in organizing it ..... everybody is welcome.

 

The more we get to know each other, the less need there will be for these conversations to occur.

 

 

[MiamiLooker]

See, and I even said it in only four paragraphs.

 

If I were there, I’d staple a big gold star on your forehead

[JDXXX]

Exactly! You are most welcome to come to the party, if you are interested.

 

As part of the Palm Springs Prom Committee, I think I can speak for everybody involved in organizing it ..... everybody is welcome.

 

The more we get to know each other, the less need there will be for these conversations to occur.

 

 

Well said, my friend. I totally agree as we all should be in harmony and peace with each other. . Stay sweet, Steven.

[JDXXX]

Well, maybe there'll be some hot older guys at the next Hooville event for you.

 

Maybe - we'll see what next year will bring. Only time will tell, baby.

[caliguy]

That's the thing Miami...I don't discriminate due to age as I have had many encounters with older gay men from 45 up to 72 years old. The one guy who 72 was a fuck buddy I use to see in Reseda CA back in 2013 was a regular .

I do. I turn away guys under 30. Ok sometimes I've done late twenties but rare. My idea of good foreplay these days is good talk and then going slow. Not alternating between texting and hearing the philosophy of someone that's never experienced much in life. Not looking to play daddy knows best 101.

 

Guys in their twenties are like taking something out of the oven before it's done. Let them bake a little longer and it's perfect.

[bigvalboy]

Amazing thread...fascinating discussion, and just think, Daddy didn't have to order pizza.

[marylander1940]

I do. I turn away guys under 30. Ok sometimes I've done late twenties but rare. My idea of good foreplay these days is good talk and then going slow. Not alternating between texting and hearing the philosophy of someone that's never experienced much in life. Not looking to play daddy knows best 101.

 

Guys in their twenties is like taking something out of the oven before it's done. Let them bake a little longer and it's perfect.

 

Do you turn them away as if you don't hire them?

 

Many of them don't like daddies, when I was young I only liked other young men like me.

 

They might be the ones who texts the most but I guarantee you in corporate America a lot of old men text from meetings things that shouldn't be in writing ever.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Maybe it’s a bit more difficult for some escorts to accept the aging process, as well as other unchangeable facts of life, than the rest of us mere mortals, but it’s kind of insulting for them to whine about it.

 

Can we please close this post? It's now out of hand. The OP did nothing wrong, and someone on here clearly needs to work some stuff out in therapy.

 

Garp: Here's what is so fucked up about this. Part of the reason I escort, and write about it, is because it is my therapy. As any good escort accepts, clients have lots of choices. If you don't like me - great! - pick somebody else. I've never whined about that, and I hope I never will. The same goes for this post. If you don't like it, pick another one. Thank you, and have a nice day.

 

Miami: I think you are probably right. Since escorts trade on their youth and beauty, it probably is harder for us to accept the aging process. The people I am closest to will tell you I've whined about it. Guilty as charged.

 

I'm glad JD opened up his heart about what it means to be black as an escort. So I'm going to say a few things about what it means to age as an escort. If you ain't interested in hearing what I have to say - please, don't read it.

 

I doubt anybody still reading this is over 50, or values happiness, or likes good news. In the odd event you do, though, you might want to check out this article on aging and happiness:

 

http://www.economist.com/node/17722567?Story_ID=17722567&CFID=157515021&CFTOKEN=46915548

 

I feel an epistle coming on, but before I go there, this picture is probably worth 1000 words:

 

http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/12/18/xj/20101218_xjc736.gif

 

What it basically means is that, after 50, the older you get, the happier you are. To quote from the article above:

 

Ask people how they feel about getting older, and they will probably reply in the same vein as Maurice Chevalier: “Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternative.” Stiffening joints, weakening muscles, fading eyesight and the clouding of memory, coupled with the modern world's careless contempt for the old, seem a fearful prospect—better than death, perhaps, but not much. Yet mankind is wrong to dread ageing. Life is not a long slow decline from sunlit uplands towards the valley of death. It is, rather, a U-bend.

 

When people start out on adult life, they are, on average, pretty cheerful. Things go downhill from youth to middle age until they reach a nadir commonly known as the mid-life crisis. So far, so familiar. The surprising part happens after that. Although as people move towards old age they lose things they treasure—vitality, mental sharpness and looks—they also gain what people spend their lives pursuing: happiness."

 

Lucky for me, The Economist ran this cover story just about when I turned 50. This article was therapy. It coincided with the middle of the Great Recession, and there was all kinds of bad shit happening in my other job and with my family and friends, much of it related to the economy. This article gave me probably the best cognitive tool I had to understand why I wasn't quite feeling like the happiest guy alive, and why I had reason to hope that things would get better.

 

About twenty somethings. I spent my 40's basically acting like one, as a whore living in San Francisco and traveling around the world with clients, friends, fuck buddies, and family. It was a blast. I got to live out a fantasy, and I have no regrets. At a younger age, I was once actually a twenty something myself. I actually spent it being a community organizer, married to a woman, and secretly jacking off to gay pornography. I have no regrets about that, either. We all have to learn in our own time, and our own way. On an emotional level, I can confirm that the Chinese fortune cookie a friend left on my work in-box when I was 24 or so as a joke is true: "In youth and beauty wisdom is rare." If your thing is, like vaballfan, hiring white twenty somethings with blond hair and blue eyes, who are muscular and drop dead gorgeous, good for you. I hope the sex is great. You'll probably love it, and they might actually learn something from you.

 

Nobody knows why the empirical data that The Economist reports above are true. But the best theory is that part of going through a "mid-life crisis" is that we end up feeling more comfortable than ever in our own skin, regardless of what color it is, and whether or not it is as pretty or flawless as it was in our twenties. In the middle of my "pity party" a few years ago I was having dinner with a client, and I asked him how this had worked for him. He said something like this: "I used to worry a lot about whether I was a good husband, or a good father, or a good attorney. And then at some point I realized ..........." I expected him to say: "......I realized I was good at all those things." What he actually said surprised me, and was a moment of revelation: "..............then I realized, I just don't give a fuck!"

 

I've said this already in two other posts. Since I beat things to death, I'll say it again. The funny thing that happened on the way to the fun house is that my clients turned out to be the strongest part of my emotional support system. At the end of the day whoring is illegal, and I felt lucky to be able to sleep with some older and wiser "partners in crime". If that's what being an older escort gets me, I am grateful I'm older.

 

For a while I had a client in San Francisco who was in his 50's, and had a partner who was dying of AIDS, and he'd come over to my place occasionally for an hour or two to get fucked. One day he got into reminiscing, and he told me when he was in his 20's, he was usually the hottest guy in the bar, the one who everybody looked at and hit on. By that point, I had enough tact to NOT say, "Yeah, I can see how you'd have looked hot when you were younger." His next line, that scared the shit out of me, was this: "Then at some point, around the time I hit 50, everybody stopped looking."

 

It goes back to the Bob Paris thing: are we more than, or less than? What Paris said about having to keep his love for another man in the closet probably applies just as well to aging: "If you bastardize it and you stick it back in your back pocket where no one can see it, then pretty soon you chip away pieces of that bit by bit, until you have absolutely nothing left.”

 

The client's obvious point was that feeling like he was disappearing while in plain sight made him feel less then. The good news for me is that, so far, people haven't stopped looking. At some point, I'm sure they will. The even better news is that when that happens, I think I can accept what the other client said: "I just don't give a fuck!" As you say Miami, it's an unchangeable fact of life. Rather than whine about it, it's better to say "I just don't give a fuck." Speaking of fucking, I plan to just keep fucking. And dancing. And break out the booze, and have a ball. Because that's all there is.

 

I'll state explicitly what's implicit in these anecdotes for me. The other funny thing that happened on the way to the fun house is that as much as escorting may have made it harder to accept the aging process, I think it actually has made it easier for me. I never looked like Bob Paris, and I never will. Few people ever have, or ever will. The life lesson I can take away from the clients and older escorts I have developed the deepest relationships with is that there is more to life than being a young and beautiful twenty something. Way more.

 

Oh, and one other piece of good news. I still have a lot to learn, and a long way to go, and if that chart in The Economist is correct, it only gets better from here.

 

[+ stevenkesslar]

Steven is a great example of a older man who accepts me as a gay man, and not see race or my age in order to be his friend ... he is VERY open-minded, loving, caring, compassionate understanding person who loves me as friend ... May I add he's sexy as hell too. Shhhhhhh. LOL.. Sorry Steven - Just had to throw that in, sweetie. Haha.

 

Thanks, JD, for the kind and sincere words. Each one of them describes you, too. And probably somebody out there is now groaning and saying: guys, would you please just shut the fuck up and get a room.

 

I haven't wanted to say anything specific about JD, other than some playful teasing, because I didn't want to make this about one person, or even any particular race. But since my name and his name are all over this, I'm going to make it personal, because I think it reinforces the point of how all of us might have some things to learn about race.

 

Here's an article I found really interesting about racial patterns in who we make friends with:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/

 

 

There's three ways you can interpret these numbers: 1) Blacks work 8 times as hard as whites to reach out to members of the opposite race to become friends. 2) Blacks have more white friends than whites have black friends simply because they live in a majority white society. It's a numbers game. 3) Black or white, people mostly have friends who are the same race as them.

 

Not surprising, everybody black I've asked about these numbers tends to agree with the first statement, and everybody white I've asked tends to agree with the second one. The third statement is a mathematical fact - black or white, it's likely that about 80 to 90 % of your friends are the same race as you. The reason I bring all this up is that it shouldn't surprise any of us that we may all be at least a little bit ignorant when it comes to issues of race, and we all may have something to learn.

 

My strong hunch is that how people choose escorts follows the same patterns documented above in how people choose their friends. JD is only the most recent non-white escort who is a friend and who I've been able to compare notes with. He is a perfect escort to do an apples to apples comparison with. (There are other things I would not want to compare with him, because I'm pretty sure I'd suffer by comparison). We both have almost 100 reviews, all of which are positive. Obviously, anybody who has almost 100 reviews doesn't have a problem getting hired. For whatever reason, I mostly tend to get hired by people for evenings and overnights and trips, and he and other black escorts I've been friends with mostly don't. If you don't believe me, read the reviews.

 

Given what I know of JD, my hunch is that the more people get to know him, the more they will like him, and the more time they'll spend time with him, including on the clock. That's how it worked with me. I know the more time I spend with him, the more I like him.

 

I can't tell you anything about JD when it comes to sex, because I haven't had sex with him. As he said, I did just spend two days with him in my house, because when I met him at the Palm Springs pool party I hosted I really liked him and I wanted to spend a few days making a new friend. I'm one of those typical white guys that doesn't have an abundance of black friends. I can confirm that JD is black. (Actually, mixed race, I think). And that my main feeling when our intense two day "sit around half naked and talk show" ended is he is exactly the kind of person I want to build a deep friendship with, and two days spent getting to know him wasn't enough.

 

If you want a really good reason NOT to hire him, or me, I'll give it to you: we both suffer from VD. Verbal diarrhea. I'm sure that doesn't shock anyone reading this. We spent two days getting to know each other, and the main problem we both had was getting a word in edgewise.

 

I've read in his reviews that he has a big cock. On that, I'll plead ignorance. Read the reviews. Actually, JD, regarding your cock, to paraphrase somebody white, when he was older and wiser than me, I will promise you one thing:

 

 

JD, no matter what happens to us as friends or escorts, I promise I will not exploit or criticize your youth and relative inexperience at fucking. Even if you are called on to go for days on end, like President Kennedy, I will always assume your big cock is up to the task.

 

Other than the big cock, I can assure you from experience JD has a big mouth, and it's fascinating to hear what comes out of it. And if you like to hire escorts with a big heart, who are worth taking the time to get to know, he's somebody I'd definitely put on my list.

[vabballfan]

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Vabballfan - I say this with the upmost, and sincere respect is that: You, and "Twentysomething" Top - are dead wrong on alot of comments you made about, Steven. One of the remarks you made for which I totally disagree with by all means regarding neither one of you not discriminating. What I have read in both you guys postings in relation to this "Thread" all together could come off as one who does "limit" themselves from hiring escorts of a different culture which proves Steven's point. You(Vabballfan) here on the forum implied you don't hire Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians as society likes to call outside the White American culture " Minorities" due to lack of sexual attraction.

JDXXX - to your statement I reply UTTER BULLSHIT. I hire men that turn me on - men with tattoos turn me off not on. As a sexual partner deeply ethnic men do not turn me on - I don't get it up for them - just the way my libido works - sorry, I can't fake an erection.

 

Wonder why that is? Do you think only white guys are beautiful, and no other race would fit that caliber? Steven did enlighten us that he himself come from a family background where race matters, but as it turns out he escaped the closed-minded thinking his parents way of thinking and didn't "limit" himself to what made him the man he is today which is one who is an individual who is very open-minded - especially when it comes to race or age. I encourage you try beautiful men of all ages, and different races.

 

No, I don't think that only white guys are beautiful. I'm am quite open minded when it comes to race, age, etc. when it's not in the context of a sexual partner that stimulates my libido and makes me want to fuck the hell out of them or have them fuck the hell out of me. I can certainly appreciate the beauty of an ethnic man or an older man - doesn't mean I'll get it up for them though.

 

 

Everyone is entitled to hire anyone one you damn well please - I get that along with everybody else here on this forum who may have a "particular" preference, and your absolutely right on that as we have a right to spend our money however way(you as the client) we see fit if were paying for a fantasy of what our "type" of guy is, BUT don't come off or make others to believe on this forum think you don't have certain prejudices for which you have revealed in this thread. Hate it when people make it sound like going to bed with a black guy or older person is such a disease.

 

I don't think that going to bed with a black guy, Asian guy or older person is "such a disease" - I'm just not wired to be turned on by a sexual partner with those characteristics. Sorry - as I said I can't make my cock get hard by telling myself I have to be attracted to an older man or an ethnic man that I am not naturally attracted to. That's the same thing as telling a client that is a total top that he is discriminating against top only escorts because he won't give up his ass to the topman escort.

 

I don't discriminate against any minority when it comes to non-sexual encounters - contrary to the "stereotyping" statistics presented about the number of ethnic friends white men have, I happen to have a large number of ethnic friends - at least 50% of my closest friends are African American, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Pakistani, Arabic, African (not African American but African) and I would give the shirt off of my back to any of them - and I can honestly say they would do the same for me.

 

I find it offensive to decide that I am a bigot and that I discriminate because of the type of partner that "rocks my world" in bed and makes me get a hard on. If there is a blond, blue eyed, hairy chested stud with a 9 inch cock that has tattoos I'm not going to hire him - that's not discriminatory - I just am turned off by body art. Many times it just doesn't turn me on to see a dragon, snake, tiger, bird's wings or whatever tattooed to a man's back when I have his face in the pillow fucking the hell out of him and that dragon is breathing fire at me. Doesn't do it for me, sorry. Doesn't mean I'm a bigot or being discriminatory.

 

I think both you and Mr. Kesslar need to get a life and stop taking out your frustration of not being hired by men that don't find you sexually attractive.

[TruHart1]

If I were there, I’d staple a big gold star on your forehead

 

OUCH!!!

Maybe you could lose the stapler and just stick the gold star to Steven's forehead?!! I mean, the blood alone would be off-putting! ;)

TruHart1

[+ stevenkesslar]

OUCH!!!

Maybe you could lose the stapler and just stick the gold star to Steven's forehead?!! I mean, the blood alone would be off-putting! ;)

 

TruHart1

 

I think what the star says is more important than how it is applied.

 

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5frrs7JX51qewf3b.jpg

 

And I get this feeling that blood coming out of my forehead wouldn't put vaballfan off too much. Maybe we can let him do the honors.