Monica Lewinsky "patient zero".

[marylander1940]

Monica Lewinsky "patient zero".

 

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[armadillo]

And what is the cure for this 'patient'?

[Steven_Draker]

And what is the cure for this 'patient'?

 

Rehabilitation.

[Boink]

And what is the cure for this 'patient'?

 

Shunning spotlights would be a good start.

[Diverdan]

There is no cure for someone like her. She very well knew what she was getting into and loved every minute of it. She is really a sad and pathetic woman who would be so much better if she stayed out of the limelight, but of course that is what she sought, that is what she got and will ever be remembered in history for her sad and pitiful relationship with a President. I am surprised to see the media fawn over her now and give her so much attention. So Sad, as if she keeps this up, she will never have a decent life. Who in the world would want to marry her? But maybe a closeted Republican would just to be able to say he XXXXXX this woman who serviced a President. Innocent as she tried to portray herself she is NOT..... IMHO

[mmk123]

I think part of it is that some people want to try to diminish Hilary's chances in 2016 and that is why she is being brought back into the spotlight. I would think that with her name being dragged through the mud the way it was back in the late 90's that she would welcome obscurity.

[+ nycman]

She was a boring slut then....

 

She's a boring slut now....

 

Not much has changed.

[+ Gar1eth]

People- I am going to have to take another viewpoint. I am not saying she is/was innocent. But what I'm saying is she was 22 or 23 years old. Most of us have made mistakes in our lives. Some of us still do. The mistake she made has probably blighted her life and will continue to do so most likely until she dies. It's certainly affected her on a long term basis more than it has Bill. Here we go with the old double standard. She's a slut. Bill, while we don't really approve- or do we. We want our presidents to be 'virile' and strong. Some of the complaints right now of Obama are that he is too intellectual, too milquetoast.

 

So now it's been almost 20 years. And Monica still hasn't gotten her life back. Even if she does find temporary positions, we all know that it's mainly due to her notoriety and not her skills that people are employing her for. I find it very sad.

 

 

Gman

[nate_sf]

People- I am going to have to take another viewpoint. I am not saying she is/was innocent. But what I'm saying is she was 22 or 23 years old. Most of us have made mistakes in our lives. Some of us still do. The mistake she made has probably blighted her life and will continue to do so most likely until she dies. It's certainly affected her on a long term basis more than it has Bill. Here we go with the old double standard. She's a slut. Bill, while we don't really approve- or do we. We want our presidents to be 'virile' and strong. Some of the complaints right now of Obama are that he is too intellectual, too milquetoast.

 

So now it's been almost 20 years. And Monica still hasn't gotten her life back. Even if she does find temporary positions, we all know that it's mainly due to her notoriety and not her skills that people are employing her for. I find it very sad.

 

 

Gman

 

I'm in agreement with Gman on this one. She was young and awestruck and had bad judgement, and then the friend she confided in turned on her and it blew up spectacularly. As opposed to a reality star, she didn't come looking for the spotlight, it came and grabbed her and went to town in the ugliest ways. Everybody projected what they wanted on her, for their own purposes and with the worst intentions. Where do you go from there?

 

I know a couple of friends who in college had affairs with their instructors, and you can think what you may of that but for the most part they can move on with life and put it behind them. Is what she did much different?

 

I read an essay Monica Lewinsky wrote recently, and it was well written and she made some good points. She talked about how she tried to make a living being anonymous, and that's impossible, but if she went out into the public the media would pounce. It's a no-win situation, at least as it has played out until now. After reading her article I hoped this more proactive approach of hers would allow her to turn things around and become something more than a long-running joke or "that woman." I wish her luck with it and hope for the best.

[justaguy]

I read an essay Monica Lewinsky wrote recently, and it was well written and she made some good points. She talked about how she tried to make a living being anonymous, and that's impossible, but if she went out into the public the media would pounce. It's a no-win situation, at least as it has played out until now. After reading her article I hoped this more proactive approach of hers would allow her to turn things around and become something more than a long-running joke or "that woman." I wish her luck with it and hope for the best.

 

nate, I was thinking much along the same lines as you. I didn't care about the affair at the time, and still don't. But even then I wondered what she would be able to do with her life because she is "that woman." It seems that after all this time, she's stuck with the label.

[+ poolboy48220]

and then the friend she confided in turned on her and it blew up spectacularly.

During the height of all this I heard a radio story with a taped phone conversation between her and Linda Tripp. It was pretty obvious that Tripp was trying to fan the flames, and Monica didn't think any of it was that big a deal.

[Steven_Draker]

If a woman does this - she is a "slut".

 

If a man does it - he's still a man.

[marylander1940]

If a woman does this - she is a "slut".

 

If a man does it - he's still a man.[/color]

 

Besides... Monica was caught, so many other men and women, engage in similar kinds of "affairs" with their bosses and they get a promotion and move on unanimously.

 

If it wasn't for that damn dress this would be all a "he says, she says" story.

 

http://www.modernmedicaldictionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/blue_dress_Muddy.jpg

[bigvalboy]

People- I am going to have to take another viewpoint. I am not saying she is/was innocent. But what I'm saying is she was 22 or 23 years old. Most of us have made mistakes in our lives. Some of us still do. The mistake she made has probably blighted her life and will continue to do so most likely until she dies. It's certainly affected her on a long term basis more than it has Bill. Here we go with the old double standard. She's a slut. Bill, while we don't really approve- or do we. We want our presidents to be 'virile' and strong. Some of the complaints right now of Obama are that he is too intellectual, too milquetoast.

 

So now it's been almost 20 years. And Monica still hasn't gotten her life back. Even if she does find temporary positions, we all know that it's mainly due to her notoriety and not her skills that people are employing her for. I find it very sad.

 

 

Gman

 

+1

[+ quoththeraven]

If a woman does this - she is a "slut".

 

If a man does it - he's still a man.

 

When I last checked this thread, I was tempted to comment "Double standard much?" and note that Lewinsky didn't seek the spotlight but had it turned on her because she'd confided in her "friend," Linda Tripp. I didn't because didn't want to get cast as the forum's raging feminist bitch (though maybe I am).

 

As it turns out, I don't need to because others have done it for me. Thank you, Gman, nate_sf, justaguy, poolboy48220, marylander1940, Steven_Draker, and BVB. I especially appreciate Steven's contribution, which comes the closest to what I'd wanted to say and didn't.

[Nvr2Thick]

There is no cure for someone like her. She very well knew what she was getting into and loved every minute of it. She is really a sad and pathetic woman who would be so much better if she stayed out of the limelight, but of course that is what she sought, that is what she got and will ever be remembered in history for her sad and pitiful relationship with a President. I am surprised to see the media fawn over her now and give her so much attention. So Sad, as if she keeps this up, she will never have a decent life. Who in the world would want to marry her? But maybe a closeted Republican would just to be able to say he XXXXXX this woman who serviced a President. Innocent as she tried to portray herself she is NOT..... IMHO

 

Imagine being a 23 year old woman working in the White House, in proximity to the President of the United States. Consider the influence that a man such as the President would have on a young woman. President Clinton was a younger, more handsome president known for his charm and charisma. I don't believe that Monica Lewinski's behavior was sad and pathetic. She exercised poor judgment under a rather extreme and unique situation; being encouraged by a man of power and great influence. Certainly some women would maintain their values, but imagine being encouraged to do something exciting and wrong by the President himself.

 

She has not tried to portray herself as innocent, just as someone who suffers permanent contempt for an action that justifies far less. The reaction is based far more on the situation itself than on her poor judgment.

 

She won't get her life back. The man who initiated the encounter should have far more to answer for. President Clinton's lapse in judgment was far more profound than Monica Lewinski's. As a mature adult, a married man, a public figure, and the leader of a nation his actions should be above reproach. Yet Clinton's role in this scandal is often forgotten. For the most part he gets to maintain his standing as a respected former president. If there were justice he would be held accountable for the adverse effect he has had on her life. One of the less often considered reasons for sexual harassment laws is the influence a person in a position of power can have on the willing. It's an abuse of one's position. I'm not particularly passionate about either party's partisan rhetoric, but I've always felt that there should be been more severe consequences for Clinton.

 

We all understand why these two people have ended up as they have. It is, however, ridiculous to vilify Monica Lewinsky for her part this situation.

[+ Gar1eth]

When I last checked this thread, I was tempted to comment "Double standard much?" and note that Lewinsky didn't seek the spotlight but had it turned on her because she'd confided in her "friend," Linda Tripp. I didn't because didn't want to get cast as the forum's raging feminist bitch (though maybe I am).

 

As it turns out, I don't need to because others have done it for me. Thank you, Gman, nate_sf, justaguy, poolboy48220, marylander1940, Steven_Draker, and BVB. I especially appreciate Steven's contribution, which comes the closest to what I'd wanted to say and didn't.

 

QTR,

 

As I was writing my response last night, one of the thoughts I had was, " I wonder why Quoththeraven hasn't responded on this thread?" I welcome your erudition.

 

Gman

[armadillo]

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[+ quoththeraven]

Oh yeah - meant to mention that Warren G. Harding was known to have had trysts with his mistress in a closet somewhere in the White House. I learned this researching a paper for high school long, long ago.

 

I don't know what kind of sex acts were involved, but it demonstrates that what went on between Clinton and Lewinsky has historical precedent. Given what human nature is like, it seems reasonable to expect it to happen again with some future president.

[bigvalboy]

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[justaguy]

LOL Now that's a bumper sticker I could see myself sporting around! Good one , armadillo.