Why Do Straight Guys Work In Gay Porn?

[JT Brooklyn]

I'm sure for some there's a Fantasy there! Gay or Straight 2 Guys getting it on is HOT!..does it really matter? I doubt it.

[Nvr2Thick]

if you are a man and you put a dick in your mouth, you're not straight

 

I don't care how they dress that pig up

 

I know lots of gay men who have had sex with women. Some have been married and had heterosexual sex for years strictly because they didn't want anyone to find out they were gay. There are plenty of scenarios where a straight man can have homosexual contact that have little to do with sexual attraction.

[Nvr2Thick]

So curious to see this-wondering why Conner Habib is used in the trailer with the heading "Straight Guys"?

 

Maybe he was included to provide some insight as a gay performer working with straight performers.

 

http://www.queerpornnation.com/2011/02/conner-habib-talks-about-girth-brooks-berke-banks/

[BallerBoy]

 

Legitimately straight men have performed in gay porn for as long as pornography has existed.

 

 

I can't take anymore of this bullshit and reading those few words. If you are a man in a free society with the ability to get a job to pay the bills, why in hell would you choose gay porn. It seems these porn companies have been somewhat successful in playing into the pitiful lusting of straight men by the gays. I'm amazed at the many people refuse to believe these guys aren't straight. So sad.

 

Gay4Pay DOES NOT EXIST! Those guys are GAY.

[+ azdr0710]

I can't take anymore of this bullshit and reading those few words. If you are a man in a free society with the ability to get a job to pay the bills, why in hell would you choose gay porn. It seems these porn companies have been somewhat successful in playing into the pitiful lusting of straight men by the gays. I'm amazed at the many people refuse to believe these guys aren't straight. So sad.

 

Gay4Pay DOES NOT EXIST! Those guys are GAY.

 

 

but if you, BB, were young and needed a quick few thousand dollars, wouldn't you be willing to sleep with a chick?......I really don't think G4P is out of the realm of possibility.....

[BaronArtz]

Why do some gay men enjoy straight men in porn, as masseurs or even as escorts? It may be the excitement that comes from perceiving the straight guys as being 'unavailable'? The 'forbidden fruit'? What you CAN"T have is more appealing than what you CAN have?

 

I think it may explain the behavior of clients who are into 'muscle worship'. You can touch, but you can't go all the way ... some clients are willing to pay a lot of money for that. Check out the forums on 'muscle service station', a website devoted to just this theme.

[Zapped]

So much depends on how you define "gay" and "straight," especially in a world in which many have beyond either/or understandings and look at sexual attraction and orientation and identity as fluid.

 

Older guy that I am, I identify as gay. Earlier in life, I had relationships with 3 women, one of whom I married. I enjoyed our sex life, although sometimes I had to fantasize about a guy, or included fantasies about a guy.

 

So if I lick a pussy, does that make me straight? Even if I enjoyed sex with women but find men so much more satisfying, does that make me genuinely bisexual? Give me enough Viagra and money, and I could probably make a straight porn movie tomorrow.

 

There are many ways to make $, but for some of us, only one opportunity knocks at a time. So I can readily imagine why guys who wouldn't seek out sex with men could still enjoy it enough to do it on camera.

 

As for attraction to "straight" men, I do have a thing for athletic young men who aren't interested in me sexually. It's clear to me it's likely because when I was an unathletic teen I was very attracted to athletic guys who were disdainful of me. So I've hired a gay guy to act out being a straight guy who humiliates me while I give him a blow job. What turns you on, turns you on!

[+ FreshFluff]

azdr0710: Outside of certain venues (performing arts, primarily), gay culture worships masculinity and bashes effeminacy. But I'm not sure internalized homophobia is the right term. After all, there are and should be a wide variety of gender expression among gay men, just as there are among people in general. It's just as limiting to assume effeminacy is the gay default as it is to assume that hypermasculinity (or leather or whatever) is or should be. Let's call it what it really is: cultural misogyny. Because it's the so-called "femmes" who are looked down upon by gay and straight culture alike. You don't want to get me started on how anything having to do with women, females, or femininity (whatever that is) is looked down upon and used as an insult. See also Marylander's point about the only three professions in which women earn more on average than men.

 

Is the culture afraid of women or of expressions of femininity? If the latter, why does society give an easier time to "lipstick" lesbians than to butch ones? If the former, then why would femme men be a turnoff to anyone?

 

As a non-gay non-man, here's my take: I think it's natural to be most attracted to the purest form of whatever gender one is attracted to. Most of the research on this has been done on straights, so I'll use that as an example. What straight men consider hot is is basically a combination of characteristics that say I'm human" and "I look very different from a man."

 

For men too, the characteristics that we consider beautiful aren't made up by Madison Avenue. These characteristics are generally correlated we find beautiful are correlated with good health and reproductive fitness. And many--though not all-- of these characteristics of beauty are constant across cultures. (I'm busy with research of my own so don't have time to dig up the articles right now. But the intro to this interesting article contains a good summary.

http://www.robertburriss.com/pdfs/burriss_11_paid.pdf

 

So it makes sense that gay men should also be attracted to masculine looking men and behavior. As far as culture goes, I'd bet that handsome, masculine acting men are at the top of the heap in any gay bar anywhere in the world.

[seattlebottom]

If they're so straight, why aren't they sticking to straight porn? (And, no, I can't believe the money is THAT much better in gay porn.)

 

It's not easy for a man to break into straight porn. Most women go into the profession with a male partner all ready by their side such as a boyfriend or husband. On top of that some of the porn companies all ready have a cadre of men to call upon when needed. Their goal is to introduce the next hot woman to the viewing public not the next hot guy.

[adriano46]

Personally when watching porn I am not too intrigued knowing whether the guys I am watching on the screen are gay, straight, bi, curious or whatever. I do draw the line for guys who are transgender, effeminate, or twinks. My ideal is a guy mid-20's and up (up to 60's is fine with me, as I find experience and maturity (as well as age) are a real turn on for things I like and enjoy). I like athletic guys, guys with nice muscles and pretty much with that I am happy.

 

Now, when I HIRE a guy, then I do draw a few more lines. My experience with porn actors who are straight is 99% negative. I felt I was not only throwing good money away, but in the end the whole experience made me feel negative about myself.

 

I have had very enjoyable hires with porn actors who are admittedly bi-sexual. I choose these more carefully, often look for recommendations from others, but find too that it is definitely something to do with personal chemistry. If however I feel like they are doing me a BIG favor because I am paying up front... the date goes downhill fast.

 

And so when hiring, I PREFER by a wide margin a man who is comfortable being both gay and masculine; they are by far my favorites.

[Newly]

Here's something else that we may not be comfortable with. When gay guys prefer straight-looking, ultra masculine guys is it a form of Tomism where we have allowed the dominant culture to tell us what is desirable because we are ashamed of ourselves? Think about how for years African-American women would straightened their hair and use skin lighteners and the paler their skin, the more beautiful they were seen as being. In much the same way many young Asians in Japan would have cosmetic surgery on their eyes to look more Western. when you allow another culture to define your concept of beauty and what's acceptable behavior all sorts of self-loathing start to surface.

[+ FreshFluff]

It's not easy for a man to break into straight porn. Most women go into the profession with a male partner all ready by their side such as a boyfriend or husband. On top of that some of the porn companies all ready have a cadre of men to call upon when needed. Their goal is to introduce the next hot woman to the viewing public not the next hot guy.

 

In fact, the guy in straight poirn SHOULDN'T be too hot, as they want the viewer to put himself in the actor's place.

[+ azdr0710]

Here's something else that we may not be comfortable with. When gay guys prefer straight-looking, ultra masculine guys is it a form of Tomism where we have allowed the dominant culture to tell us what is desirable because we are ashamed of ourselves? Think about how for years African-American women would straightened their hair and use skin lighteners and the paler their skin, the more beautiful they were seen as being. In much the same way many young Asians in Japan would have cosmetic surgery on their eyes to look more Western. when you allow another culture to define your concept of beauty and what's acceptable behavior all sorts of self-loathing start to surface.

 

 

thanks, new.....this, somewhat, relates back to my internalized homophobia (self-loathing) theory a few posts back (post #17).....

 

by the way, Steven Draker, your opening picture is really great.....thanks

[+ Gar1eth]

Here's something else that we may not be comfortable with. When gay guys prefer straight-looking, ultra masculine guys is it a form of Tomism where we have allowed the dominant culture to tell us what is desirable because we are ashamed of ourselves? Think about how for years African-American women would straightened their hair and use skin lighteners and the paler their skin, the more beautiful they were seen as being. In much the same way many young Asians in Japan would have cosmetic surgery on their eyes to look more Western. when you allow another culture to define your concept of beauty and what's acceptable behavior all sorts of self-loathing start to surface.

 

thanks, new.....this, somewhat, relates back to my internalized homophobia (self-loathing) theory a few posts back (post #17).....

 

by the way, Steven Draker, your opening picture is really great.....thanks

 

But you know I likes what I likes. While I despise where this quote originally came from- The heart wants what it wants. It's not just society that determines what we want/like but also to some extent evolution. I was attracted to muscular bodybuilder types or handsome actors on TV as a young child long before I knew I was gay. And there are guys on the Forum who like twinky guys- either effeminate or non-effeminate.

 

So NEWTOTHIS, are saying that the natural 'state' of being a gay male is to be effeminate-acting and that the guys who like this type are the only ones to overcome societal stereotyping? (Not trying to pick a fight- just understand your thoughts better).

 

Gman

[Nvr2Thick]

In fact, the guy in straight porn SHOULDN'T be too hot, as they want the viewer to put himself in the actor's place.

 

That was often more true in the early days of porn. I remember reading an article 15 years ago about how the porn industry was transitioning to a lot more better looking, in-shape and hung men. One theory was that big dick sex is more fun to watch. Another is that the idea that porn fans would identify with the everyman porn star was a false assumption. Guys who watch porn may want to not only fantasize that they're fucking the hot women; they may want to fantasize that they're the built, hung studs doing the fucking. Straight porn with some of the better-looking male stars started to sell well. It could be too that more gay guys are watching straight porn than they thought.

[Newly]

these are just ideas, doubt anyone would fight over this. No, evolution takes time, but society's idea of beauty changes constantly. If you look at movie stars from even the 50s the women were much rounder and the men were nowhere near as ripped, but their body types back then were seen as perfection. Since gays were marginalized in our society we have picked up an exagerated, almost comic idea of how a man should look to try to fit in, so we idolize over "masculine" guys and put down any look or trait that could be seen as womanly. It's almost as if we are not attracted to real people but to a charicature of what a man should look like and act. Maybe by doing this we think we'll be more acceptable to "normal" people?

[+ Gar1eth]

these are just ideas, doubt anyone would fight over this. No, evolution takes time, but society's idea of beauty changes constantly. If you look at movie stars from even the 50s the women were much rounder and the men were nowhere near as ripped, but their body types back then were seen as perfection. Since gays were marginalized in our society we have picked up an exagerated, almost comic idea of how a man should look to try to fit in, so we idolize over "masculine" guys and put down any look or trait that could be seen as womanly. It's almost as if we are not attracted to real people but to a charicature of what a man should look like and act. Maybe by doing this we think we'll be more acceptable to "normal" people?

 

I don't deny that you may be partially correct. But really I like guys / and women I consider 'normal' acting. I don't like ueber macho guys who sprinkle the F-word into their conversation every three words or women like that either. I'm also not attracted to a more effeminate type male. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Evolutionarily speaking I'm sure an effeminate type male wouldn't have been seen as a good hunter/provider. So it's not that far fetched to think that's why many of us aren't into that.

 

Gman

[jimboivyo]

Some have been married and had heterosexual sex for years strictly because they didn't want anyone to find out they were gay.

 

and that I find the most sad thing of all

[+ quoththeraven]

Is the culture afraid of women or of expressions of femininity? If the latter, why does society give an easier time to "lipstick" lesbians than to butch ones? If the former, then why would femme men be a turnoff to anyone?

 

As a non-gay non-man, here's my take: I think it's natural to be most attracted to the purest form of whatever gender one is attracted to. Most of the research on this has been done on straights, so I'll use that as an example. What straight men consider hot is is basically a combination of characteristics that say I'm human" and "I look very different from a man."

 

For men too, the characteristics that we consider beautiful aren't made up by Madison Avenue. These characteristics are generally correlated we find beautiful are correlated with good health and reproductive fitness. And many--though not all-- of these characteristics of beauty are constant across cultures. (I'm busy with research of my own so don't have time to dig up the articles right now. But the intro to this interesting article contains a good summary.

http://www.robertburriss.com/pdfs/burriss_11_paid.pdf

 

So it makes sense that gay men should also be attracted to masculine looking men and behavior. As far as culture goes, I'd bet that handsome, masculine acting men are at the top of the heap in any gay bar anywhere in the world.

 

"Lipstick" lesbians are more acceptable than butch ones and femme men are considered a turnoff because we've internalized society's views on acceptable gender expression. The characteristics we consider beautiful (or handsome, for men) are highly variable and subjective, influenced by personal preference (which in turn is influenced both by culture and an individual's genetics, not evolution as a whole) and culture. It used to be the case that tanned skin was considered uncouth because it was associated with manual labor. In South Korea, men are allowed a wider variety of gender expression than is the case in the US (just take a look at a boy band Kpop video; also, manicures for men are common) but homosexuality is frowned on and discriminated against. Take a look at what happens when famous paintings of women are altered to meet the standards of today's fashion magazines:

 

http://www.takepart.com/feature/2014/05/15/famous-paintings-photoshopped-to-look-like-fashion-models

 

I too am neither gay nor a man, but I dislike square jaws, overly ripped bodies, and huge biceps -- all supposed markers of masculinity. I particularly like high cheekbones and androgynous looks, although those aren't a sine qua non for me. And I'm not alone. If I were, Johnny Depp, Tom Hiddleston, Brad Pitt, Hugh Dancy, and Matt Bomer -- to name some actors who could be characterized as "pretty boys" -- wouldn't be as popular as they are.

 

If we want to associate masculinity with men and femininity with women -- personally, I'd like to burn those terms and consign them to the ash heap of history -- let's do this: Those things someone who identifies as a man does are masculine. Those things someone who identifies as woman does are feminine. That means a man can be good at needlepoint (hello, Rosey Grier), or flower arranging, or childcare while still being masculine and a woman can be good at genetics (hello, Rosalind Franklin, whose uncredited research was key to the discovery of DNA), or fixing cars, or flying a plane while still being feminine. Otherwise people will continue to suppress their true selves for social approbation. Not cool and terrible for one's mental health, as the history of the gay rights movement and all other such movements demonstrates.

[+ quoththeraven]

Confirmation that Conner Habib was in the trailer because he appears in the documentary from Habib himself:

 

I’m featured in the documentary Straight Guys, which is all about gay-for-pay performers. Don’t worry, I’m not straight (and how dare you think that even for a second!), but I have worked with lots of men who identify as heterosexual. The film also features my pal, porn hotty Bravo Delta, and the gay (“gay”?) studio Chaos Men.

 

http://connerhabib.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/habib-summer-update-events-writing-and-your-suggestions/

[Guest]

To put it differently: why do some gay men prefer to watch sex between two heterosexual men?[/color]

 

I don't prefer to watch sex between heterosexual men, but, let's face it, some heterosexual men are really, really, hot, regardless of their sexual preference. Aaron James and Kurt Wild are well-known "gay for pay" porn actors. According to them gay porn pays ten times straight porn. They may be straight, but if so, they really should get academy awards, because they look gay as all hell when they're taking it up the ass and cumming all over the place. I don't care what they say their sexual preference is. They look totally hot (and gay) getting fucked. I don't care if they are straight or not.

 

Do I fuckin' care that Aaron James says he's totally straight? This guy's a total 10!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1OlAeTO_yvo/TR-ficFbKjI/AAAAAAAAP8Y/g_YSg8jQaTA/s1600/a2.jpg

 

Aaron James with Kurt Wild:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OlAeTO_yvo/TR-fiFulp8I/AAAAAAAAP8Q/Wp3U1mxVZdo/s1600/a1.jpg

 

Kurt Wild, also gay-for-pay (has 5 children), is totally F-ing hot, too!

http://gayporngossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Kurt-Wild-Broadwalk-Bar.jpg

 

And Aaron James fucking Kurt Wild is hot, hot, hot:

http://queermenow.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/aj-fucks-kurt.jpg

http://queermenow.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cum-eating-with-Aaron-James-and-Kurt-Wild-3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YZ-_QdDHP64/SFXQ2Y6TlXI/AAAAAAAAAZY/y9Rfw2Zu1jw/s400/ajk4.jpg

http://www3.queerclick.com/images/2008/11/kurtdeleted.jpg

http://small2.myjub.com/eyecandy_img/33418/college_dudes-tim_vander_fucks_kurt_wild_5_33418_14.jpg

http://queermenow.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/troy-gabriel-fucks-kurt-wild.jpg

http://themalestarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/6a00d83451f9a269e200e5503d280b8833-800wi.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tpNEb_QTbyU/TJO2gkaxLcI/AAAAAAAAEms/4oeVd0wC_L4/s1600/Aaron+James+%26+Riley+Burke+21.jpg

http://thesword.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/steven-daigle-fucks-kurt-wild-5.jpg

[jimboivyo]

None of these guys is particularly that hot

 

aside from the false ego, they claim to be 'straight,' which is laughable in itself when you're taking a dick in your ass on camera

 

what's worse is that 95% of them earn shit money and think they're celebs