Escorts Selling Our Email Addresses

[Huey]

I find it distrubing that at least two escorts are selling, trading or giving away our email addresses. One of the two is extremely well known on this site and while I haven't met him based on feedback from site friends and his reviews I do believe he is a good escort.

 

What this escorts arrangements with an adult site is not clear to me other than he has given the site my email address.

 

How do I know you ask? Here is how: I contacted the escort via his web site form, I use a specific email address for all of my escort contacts. The form is a CGI script created by the escort or webmaster. It is not a "sign up" type form. The next day I receied an email from a adult site I would have no interest in. For whatever reason I immediately felt that the offending site received my email from the escort.

 

So like any good experiment I create a brand new email address. Contacted the escort under a different name ... and the next day I received an email from that same adult web site . I even emailed the escort (directly) with yet another new email address and yep next day a solicitation from the same offending adult iste .

 

If escorts are going to sell, trade or give away our email addresses or any other information they need to put a privacy disclaimer on their site.

 

Needless to say this well known escort will not be receiving my cash.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Web Host

 

I only offer this as a defense to the "well known" escort.

 

Some of us here use the CGI scrip (it is a fill in the form, as opposed to writing an actual e-mail - Adam in Las Vegas is a perfect example of this type of utility and he is one who as far as I know who simply uses it to maintain his data base. You get an auto response from him and nothing futher (beyond his own pesonal follow-up, of course). It is very convenient to the escort and the client as it assures a prompt acknowledgement and a mechanism for follow-up.

 

As with any other good idea, some web masters (who may be doing this without the escorts knowledge, approval or control) or the web hosting company, may be doing what you have experienced. This may be part of a broadly written agreement, where the web master or web host provides there services in exchange to access to the escorts information (which escorts may be told is just use of their pictures or use of their journals or what have you, while the legal language of the agreement may actually permit far more than the escort may understand or wish.

 

Beyond this, I personally do not know. I answer all my e-mails individually.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Web Host

 

"I answer all my e-mails individually."

It surprises me that it would be any different for everybody, but then I don't know how much email escorts get! Thanks for pointing this out Huey. I think the offending escort has to take full responsibility for this and not pass it off as a problem with the webmaster.

[woodlawn]

Two things.

 

First, you did well to create a special email address for your escort contacts. When you give someone your email address you have no control over what he does with it. They may decide to sell it themselves, or they may have entered into a contract with a web hosting company that allows that company to get its hands on the address, as Franco suggested; what a pity so many people are too lazy to read the contracts they sign!

 

Second, one of the most annoying things you can do on this or any message board is to refer to someone who is "well known" to the members but refuse to identify him. If you are telling the truth about this matter there is no reason you should be unwilling to identify the escort. If he has a reasonable explanation for what happened, he shouldn't mind your bringing it up. And warning people that emails sent to him have this undesirable result is utterly and completely pointless and a waste of everyone's time if you don't identify him.

[Huey]

Woodlawn I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have no problem mentioning the escorts name ... the problem is the amdin of this board find such "public namings" unacceptable as eveidence by their continued deletion of threads where someone does name an escort in a somewhat negative light. AND they seem even more hypersensitive if it's an escort they know or like presonally.

 

Therefore, the purpose of the post is to give others a heads up as to a potential problem. I felt I had to relay my experience the best I could without offending the unwritten rules here.

 

For those who do know me they understand I wouldn't make a post like this without merit.

 

Also, Franco's post migth explain, in part, how the escort might not be aware of this practice though I find it hard to believe ... I just don't know myself.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Just The Facts

 

I know two escorts who do not read any number of things they signed; I know this because I have personally helped then out of a number of situations which arise from this.

 

In addition, we have all hit "I ACCEPT" on any number of software license, web site membership or other such on line legalese which are, in fact, binding contracts. Whether they can be enforced as written is another issue....

 

By the way, Adam from all accounts and my few contacts with him seems very reputable as is his web designer/web master. I did not mean to imply nor do I wish to suggest he is or might have been the escort in question; I was just using him as an example. CGI script is becoming very common on sites, unless more people move to broadband, it is something as with Flash that is going to slow down the information highway....

[woodlawn]

>Woodlawn I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have

>no problem mentioning the escorts name ... the problem is the

>amdin of this board find such "public namings" unacceptable as

>eveidence by their continued deletion of threads where someone

>does name an escort in a somewhat negative light. AND they

>seem even more hypersensitive if it's an escort they know or

>like presonally.

 

You make a very good point here. We all know the management of this website bends over backwards to filter out negative information about certain escorts. I retract any criticism of you that was implied by my previous post and thank you for making an effort to warn members about this problem.

[Barry]

>Woodlawn I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have

>no problem mentioning the escorts name ... the problem is the

>amdin of this board find such "public namings" unacceptable as

>eveidence by their continued deletion of threads where someone

>does name an escort in a somewhat negative light. AND they

>seem even more hypersensitive if it's an escort they know or

>like presonally.

 

Well I can't speak for Hoo, Daddy or the other moderators but since you used "they" in your post I will respond for myself. Have I edited or deleted any threads that name an escort in a "somewhat negative light"? NO and I wouldn't unless it violated the rules of the Message Center. Has it ever been done without a rules violation? Possibly and there have been some lively debates about that in the Moderators forum. I personally have read quite a few posts that name an escort in a negative light.

 

As for this subject I have a couple of questions.

 

- Did you contact the escort in question about your email addy being forwarded to others?

 

- If so, how did he respond? Did he know? Is he going to do anything about it?

 

I feel if you haven't had this discussion with the escort in question then it would be premature to name him publicly. If you have and he isn't going to do anything about it then why not name him?

 

Just my opinion.

 

Barry

[Huey]

>As for this subject I have a couple of questions.

>

>- Did you contact the escort in question about your email

>addy being forwarded to others?

 

No I didn't Barry. I didn't feel it would do any good to create an issue with him that put me in a no-win situation. If I did contact him first and if he acknowledged the practice and said he would cease I really would have no way to confirm that. I am not going to play email cop and make up still another new email address to check up on him, then mentioned his name in my original post.

 

All he had to do was stop the practice then and deny what he might knowingly be doing. At that point it becomes a popular escort Vs. a popular jock, lol ... ok so my book wasn't too great when I was in SoCal. Seriously he is popular and I don't feel there is a need to begin a thread with his name that would end as so many others do, in a huge flame war.

 

Based on my limited knowledge of web authoring I do believe the escort not the webmaster or hosting company is the person making the email addresses available.

 

With that said I guess my post was a little of a heads up to others to use an eaddress that they don't mind getting spammed excessively when contacting escorts and a little out of frustration that this escort is possibly making money off of selling/trading my "personal" information.

 

BTW when I was referring to admins and "they" about the written or unwritten policy posting escorts names in threads here I was only stating what I observe to be factual .. it wasn't meant to be a thumbs up or thumbs down about the practice or directed personally toward you .

[Barry]

Fair enough. Thanx for your reply.

 

Barry

[Huey]

Well I finally found the connection . The popular escort who is selling or trading our email address is doing so to the person who designed his web site and runs an adult business site as well as his design business.

 

I know this is an old topic, I just find it really in poor taste that this escort is doing this to us .

[Flower]

Well now that you have warned us and virtually been assured that your post would not be deleted--WHO IS HE? }(

[Will]

I agree with others who say that you should tell us who this escort is. If he reads this board, he will instantly cut off his deal with the webmaster, change webmasters, or go out of business.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

we should hunt him down and kill him

[VaHawk]

Absolutely, lets OUT THAT DAMN ESCORT!! Really, I don't see any indignation directed towards Sears, Macy's, magazines, etc. that sell their client list to others. It is just a standard business practice, and just because it is an escort business doing the selling really doesn't, imo, make it any more offensive and invasive.

[axebahia]

>Absolutely, lets OUT THAT DAMN ESCORT!! Really, I don't see

>any indignation directed towards Sears, Macy's, magazines,

>etc. that sell their client list to others.

 

Are they also trading in illegal goods and services of an intimate nature?

[Huey]

If anyone really would like to know the escort just send me a private message on the message center. Don't use my email address. I will be happy to offer the information in private .

[Will]

Actually, towards the end of last week the same thing happened to me. I notified the escort; he claimed total ignorance; but when I asked how it was possible for the message to me to come directly from his personal e-mail address, I received no answer. It's true that I haven't had any other e-mails of the sort.

 

This is not the same as having one's e-mail address sold to or by firms or corporations, especially those that deal in ordinary goods and services. To my mind, an escort is a professional; and therefore it's very offensive to me for an escort to sell or otherwise circulate my e-mail address, exactly as it would be if it were my lawyer or my doctor.

 

Part of what escorts sell, after all, is discretion. It is not remotely discreet to traffic in e-mail addresses.

[nate_sf]

RE: Just The Facts

 

>CGI script is becoming very common on sites, unless

>more people move to broadband, it is something as with Flash

>that is going to slow down the information highway....

 

If there is a problem with the script or setup of the website in some way that allows addresses to "leak" to some data miner, I think the escort should find a more secure alternative, even if the intentions behind the form or script are entirely innocent. We have to be sensitive to the kinds of information we're receiving, and the implied confidentiality a client likely assumes. It's certainly possible to build a database though more secure conventional means, including plain ol' e-mail.

 

In this case I think the escort should be contacted to let him know this is happening. As Franco said, lots of us sign up for things without knowing all the implications, and the escort in question may have no idea this is going on. I'd want somebody to tell me if I was mistakenly letting data leak out to others.

[Guest taylor4now]

is this site selling our addresses as well?

[BewareofNick]

You know I want to know