Talk about offensive ad campaigns

[bigguyinpasadena]

Hi Rick,I saw the previews 3 weeks ago and contacted GLAAD---NOTHING,they are becoming as limp dicked as the rest of the faggots in H'wood/Los Angeles.I am going to start a letter writing campaign. for one do not care which studio execs I insult,I do not need their money.

WRITE GLAAD,or the studio or both.Also the theatre owners.

[+ glutes]

Isn't Cuba a 'little lite in the loafers', even off screen??

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Here I go again, taking the contrary position. Believe it or not, I'm not doing it just to get the Aunt Millies all flustered.

 

I've seen the preview several times and I don't really see what's gotten your panties in a twist. It's a COMEDY so it's going to be broad. Cuba & Horatio are described as "ladies men" which means their behavior is going to be stereotypical, therefore, the writers are going to have to go in the opposite direction to achieve comedic conflict. To be fair, the only gay characters shown in the trailer are some buff guys sitting in chairs, looking at Cuba as he walks past. I would say that's pretty much on target. As for him saying: "How can you think I'm gaaaaaaay", he's standing there in a SHOWGIRL DRESS.

 

If some of you are that touchy about drag queens, there's this little thing known as a Gay Pride Parade - there're lots of drags queens PROMINENTLY displayed there. You may want to call GLAAD about these parades since they are so viciously promoting gay stereotypes.

 

The trailer can be viewed here.......... http://www.apple.com/trailers/artisan/boat_trip.html

 

Cinematically yours,

 

FFF

[Rick Munroe]

>To be fair, the only

>gay characters shown in the trailer are some buff guys sitting

>in chairs... I would say

>that's pretty much on target.

 

That stereotype is pretty much on target? You've either been watching way too much porn or looking at way too many escort pics or spending too much time at the Roxy. According to the CDC, 21% of American males were classified as obese in 2001, and trends show that it's increasing every year. Guess what...gay men are men, last time I checked. When we perpetuate the notion that all gay men are muscular and gorgeous, we negate the existence of gay men who don't fit that stereotype. No wonder so many gay men feel invisible.

 

>As for him saying: "How can you

>think I'm gaaaaaaay", he's standing there in a SHOWGIRL DRESS.

 

Ummm...yeah, that's the point. Drag queens in a parade has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of crossdressers are heterosexual. Although Gender Identity Disorder (when someone exhibits behaviors or self-identification that is inconsistent with their apparent physical sex) is not considered a mental illness by the medical community, it is classified in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness (DSM-IV) as Dual-Role Transvesticism, which states: "There is no sexual motivation for the cross-dressing." It is also defined in its counterpart, the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) as Transvestic Fetishism, which places greater emphasis on sexual arousal as a motivation: "Over a period of at least 6 months, in a heterosexual male, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing." So, when Hollywood employs the age-old stereotype that gay men really want to be women, it's wrong and unfair. As Archie Bunker would say, "Case closed."

 

P.S. Thanks for including the trailer. I hadn't noticed that last line: "This whole place is light on its feet!" (No comment necessary.)

[Rick Munroe]

Has anyone seen that vile trailer for Cuba Gooding's new movie Boat Trip (about a pair of straight guys who wind up on a gay cruise)? I just saw the scene where he's in drag and shrieks, "What makes you think I'm gaaaaaayyyyyy?????" YECH. Entertainment Weekly says, "...had the ghost of Paul Lynde swanned by in a caftan-clad cameo, you couldn't find a more outdated, miscalculated collection of stale, queen-size stereotypes than those trotted out on this ship of fools." Thanks, Hollywood. x(

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Isn't Cuba a 'little lite in the loafers', even off

>screen??

 

This is an interesting point. He's a short, buffed man with a lot of neurotic gestures and a high voice. As such, his screen persona is vulnerable to being 'homosexualized' in the popular imagination. I think he sometimes tries to compensate for this. In the moronic ensemble comedy 'Rat Race' he impersonates a bus driver because he needs a vehicle, but ends up driving a busload of Lucy Ricardo wannabes who are on their way to an 'I Love Lucy' convention. When one of the Lucies turns out to be a drag queen, Cuba screams in panic, then immediately starts to demand that she stand behind the yellow safety line. The message is clear: he's a 'real man' who's horrified by contact with this 'freak' and his first gesture is to separate themselves with a proverbial line in the sand.

 

With this movie, when he asks, "How could you think I'm gaaaaaaaay!?!?" I think he's talking to America. He's acknowledging his 'lite-in-the-loafers' status and asking for ninety minutes of our time in order to 'acquit' himself. In the previews the female object of his desire tells him he touches her like a straight man. Bitch, please! :+

[Will]

The first time I saw the trailer (on television!), I couldn't believe it was as offensive as I thought it was. Then I saw it again and, yup!, it's GLAAD material if ever there was any.

 

I notice with admiration and (I'll admit it) a great big dose of Gay Pride that it took an escort to start this thread, and that the two most intelligent responses to the various posts come from that escort and another one. As there can't be anything "gayer" in my view than the escort-client culture that we nurture on this site as though M4M were a virtual Petri dish, Rick's post just confirms my long-held hunch that gay men who live at the front of the sex wars, as escorts do, have clearer and steadier vision than those of us who habitually station ourselves far behind the line of fire.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>That stereotype is pretty much on target? You've either been

>watching way too much porn or looking at way too many escort

>pics or spending too much time at the Roxy. According to the

>CDC, 21% of American males were classified as obese in 2001,

>and trends show that it's increasing every year. Guess

>what...gay men are men, last time I checked. When we

>perpetuate the notion that all gay men are muscular and

>gorgeous, we negate the existence of gay men who don't fit

>that stereotype. No wonder so many gay men feel invisible.

 

 

Pardon me while I puke.

 

(wwrrrrreeeeeeettttttchhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!)

 

I'm touched by your concern for obesity. Since you have a little weight problem yourself, I guess you know of what you speak.

 

Would you have been more comfortable if the guys in the trailer had been a bunch of fat guys? What's your point? You're wrong when you say that "we perpetuate the notion that all gay men are muscular and gorgeous". What "we" do is buy things with muscular gorgeous men. How many issues of "Bear" magazine (isn't that it's name?) litter that walk-up apartment of yours? Don't get on Hollywood's case for mirroring the very things you have supported for years.

 

By the way, the last time I noticed, you market a picture of your ass and not your belly. Are you ashamed of it?

 

 

>>As for him saying: "How can you

>>think I'm gaaaaaaay", he's standing there in a SHOWGIRL

>DRESS.

>

>Ummm...yeah, that's the point. Drag queens in a parade has

>nothing to do with the fact that the majority of crossdressers

>are heterosexual. Although Gender Identity Disorder (when

>someone exhibits behaviors or self-identification that is

>inconsistent with their apparent physical sex) is not

>considered a mental illness by the medical community, it

>is classified in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual

>of Mental Illness (DSM-IV) as Dual-Role Transvesticism, which

>states: "There is no sexual motivation for the

>cross-dressing." It is also defined in its counterpart,

>the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) as

>Transvestic Fetishism, which places greater emphasis on sexual

>arousal as a motivation: "Over a period of at least 6

>months, in a heterosexual male, recurrent, intense

>sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors

>involving cross-dressing." So, when Hollywood employs the

>age-old stereotype that gay men really want to be women, it's

>wrong and unfair. As Archie Bunker would say, "Case closed."

 

 

I'm stunned. I think it's safe to say that you will be the ONLY person on the face of the earth who will integrate The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness into a critique of "Boat Trip". If you didn't notice, Cuba is wearing that outfit because he's in a cruise ship PRODUCTION NUMBER, and not because of all that other stuff you're ranting about.

 

Rick Rick Rick. Why don't you wait to see the movie and THEN make a judgment about how offensive it is. I'm sure you wouldn't want someone to make a judgment about your (over-rated) cocksucking skills until you've blown them.

 

And while I'm thinking about it.........

 

You know that vile stereotype that gay men are into anonymous sexual encounters that involve humiliation? It's it awful that people think that about us? Why do they think we aren't happy with ourselves and that the only way we can get sexual gratification is by humiliated by strangers? It's disgusting, isn't it Rick. Isn't it awful Rick? Aren't you upset that there are gay men who perpetuate that stereotype? Huh, Rick?

 

You know what? You have a talent for being able to be on your knees while at the same time being on your high horse.

 

Amazedly yours,

 

FFF

[Paul Revere]

I usually check out http://www.rottentomatoes when a new movie comes out.

 

For Boat Trip, the reviews were almost unanimously scathing. I guess it was supposed to be some sort of broad comedy, but according to the reviews it fails on all levels. I won't even wait for the video. Boat Trip looks like a never in my book.

[Rick Munroe]

>Since you have a

>little weight problem yourself, I guess you know of what you

>speak.

 

You're fond of using this to "get me" but, like the rest of your post(s), it makes absolutely no sense. My pics clearly show my entire body except for my face. By the way, speaking of face pics, would you like me to post yours here (with your permission)? Or does the fear of losing your anonymous power scare you?

 

>What "we" do is buy

>things with muscular gorgeous men. How many issues of "Bear"

>magazine (isn't that it's name?) litter that walk-up apartment

>of yours? Don't get on Hollywood's case for mirroring the very

>things you have supported for years.

 

That makes zero sense. The women in straight porn have hot bodies & huge tits. Does that make everyone believe that all women have hot bodies & huge tits? Of course not. So having "gorgeous muscular men" in gay porn mags shouldn't make one believe that all gay men are gorgeous & muscular. Even you're not that stupid (but I could be wrong). And incidentally, I don't buy or enjoy porn magazines of any kind.

 

>You have a talent for being able to be on your

>knees while at the same time being on your high horse.

 

Great line...I'm sure your creative writing teacher will like that one. This may be the only truthful thing you'll ever post about me, but it definitely won't be the last. Do you say my name in your sleep, too?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

Rick has a pic of Fin Fang Foom? Wow, I'll bet you could sell that for a target poster to many of the Hooville guys!

Let's see....what does the Fanger look like? Kind and gentle? Old and bald? Mean and nasty? A studly man?

How many wanna see that pic???

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick Rick Rick. Why don't you wait to see the movie and THEN

>make a judgment about how offensive it is.

 

I wasn't making a judgment about how offensive the movie is. The title of this thread is, "Talk about offensive ad campaigns" and my post makes reference to "that vile trailer." But I'll forgive your ignorance, as I always do. :*

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>By the way, speaking

>of face pics, would you like me to post yours here (with your

>permission)?

 

(To bring you pleasure, I'll pretend like you really do have a picture of me.)

 

Now now Rick. That would be a violation of message board rules and I know how you're a champion of what is right and good. So, we'll just keep that secret between the two of us. (kiss kiss)

 

However, feel free to come up and say hello next time you see me. I haven't seen you in the neighborhood in a long long time. But then again, you've been jetting all over the globe as of late.

 

Transatlantically yours,

 

FFF

[Rick Munroe]

> (To bring you pleasure, I'll pretend

>like you really do have a picture of me.)

 

If you don't believe me, just give me permission to post it. I'll leave the answer [font color=red

]for your open mouth[/font].

 

>Now now Rick. That would be

>a violation of message board rules

 

I said, "with your permission." Of course, I would never be indiscreet. And of course you would never want your true identity to be known, because...let's see, what is it you accuse me, Hooboy, and countless others of all the time? Oh that's right; you're "embarrassed" and "scared."

 

>However, feel free to come up

>and say hello next time you see me.

 

Thanks for the kind offer but I'm sorry to say I won't be able to do that because if I have ever passed you on the street, I've never noticed. This is how you were able to stalk me on Fire Island, at that Diana Ross concert, and wherever else you claimed (in emails & posts) to see me "from afar" without "stupid Rick" noticing. That's because, although we did meet in my apartment, and I do have your face pics (2 of them), I really don't honestly remember what you look like. You just have one of those forgettable faces. This is why it took me so long to figure out who you were. Another reason was that you also posted the lie that you, Derek and I were "friends", which was a complete falsehood. If you think every anonymous AOL quickie is a friend of yours, then that must be one long Christmas card list you have to contend with every year.

 

>I haven't seen you in the neighborhood

>in a long long time.

 

That's funny; we live in different neighborhoods. I'm in Chelsea & you're in the Village. In which neighborhood have you been searching for me?

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

>How many wanna see that pic???

 

I'll admit, I'm curious (in a watching a train wreck sort of way).

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

I agree. I saw the preview for this movie while out to see another movie. Immediately after the preview, my friend and I turned and looked at each other and said simultaneously, "I don't think so."

 

It's not to say that the movie will not be good. Maybe it's a good movie, maybe not. But I'm just not interested in seeing a movie that depends so heavily on emphasizing gay stereotypes to be entertaining. But I admit I'm conflicted about this. The reason being that I really liked the movie Birdcage. Go figure.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Foom's Face Pic

 

Here's a chance for Foom to put his money where his mouth is. He claims that Rick has no pic of him, yet says don't post it! What's the truth, Foom?

You who are so brave in attacking and mocking others don't want us to see your face????

[LovesYng]

RE: Foom's Face Pic

 

Oh PLEASE SHOW, I need a new face cover for my dart board:+

[Samai139]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

Just my two cents worth on "Boat Trip"

Don't bother to go see it. I have and wish I had not. It's not worth: A) Getting your panties twisted over; b)The $5-7 bucks it'll cost you; C) The two-seconds you get see Cuba Gooding Jr's ass---and that seems to be his BEST feature.

 

Seriously, it's a poorly written movie, which stretches a two-minute gag---two straight men on a gay cruise--into an hour and a half movie.

 

Oh, by the way: Why is it all right to stereotype those of us who are not young and who have male pattern baldness as unattractive?? Don't dismiss me and all of my ilk without having seen us and experienced us. We--meaning the older and balder---are not always the "losers" you seem to think we are!!

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

>Why is it all right to stereotype those of us

>who are not young and who have male pattern baldness as

>unattractive??

 

You have a point, but I don't know if everyone does that. Many guys shave their heads now because it's seen as sexy & macho. Personally, I get turned on by older, balding men. Sean Connery can mount my ass any day. }(

 

http://www.seanconnery.com/images/patron_sc.jpg

[LovesYng]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

DAMN love those tan lines:9 :+

[+ deej]

The review on CNN.com carries this headline:

 

"'Boat Trip' s(t)inks to the bottom"

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick's post just confirms my long-held hunch that

>gay men who live at the front of the sex wars, as escorts do,

>have clearer and steadier vision than those of us who

>habitually station ourselves far behind the line of fire.

 

Great imagery, Will. Thank you. (I want to say more but I just had an intense hour of kissing & sucking & cumming and now I need to eat, sleep & hold onto something blond & muscly named Derek.) :*

[Guest fukamarine]

>The review on CNN.com carries this headline:

>

>"'Boat Trip' s(t)inks to the bottom"

 

Regretfully I plunked down my 5 bucks (it was a matinee) today to see this 90 minutes of pure crap.

 

Was it funny? Not really - there might have been a scene or two that made me smile, but I've forgotten by now which they were.

 

Was it predictable? Bet your butt it was!

 

Was there eye-candy? Quite a bit in fact - but the camera lingered on them for such a short second that by the time it registered that there was something on the screen worth seeing - it was gone.

 

As for Cuba - well he does have a cute butt. Full shot of it naked when he was jerking off out of a porthole. And several scenes where he was wearing a thong or a jock. Now I could spend a weekend or two with my face buried in that!

 

One sort of got the impression that he loves showing it off. Remember Jerry McGuire?

 

But all in all my recommendation would be to gibe Boat Trip a pass....

 

fukamarine

[Samai139]

RE: Talk about offensive

 

Rick~~

Thanks for the affirmation that attractivness does not have to end with your 30th birthday!! Even if it's only a few who do realise it, it's gratifying and I for one wish I were Sean---I'd be glad to be of service!!!