Gay marriage insults my presence on this planet.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

I won’t go into defining marriage because that only opens up further hatred and division between those seeking it and those fighting against it.

 

Most gay men really don’t want to marry other gay men. They only want to do so because they can’t. Gay men are the last population on this planet to ever commit to one another, less being, capable of honoring such a commitment.

 

Define commitment. Well, that’s up to you.

 

But shouldn’t marriage represent something other than sleeping with whomever comes your way for the sex, while still honoring a commitment of marriage toward your partner?

 

I know, this is some difficult shit.

 

Marriage should be the least of our demands as a wanting people to be equal citizens and to be recognized as just that.

 

Marriage should never define us any more or less than it does for who we are with it or without it. Marriage rights do nothing for any of us at all.

 

If we’re not people first, then nothing else really does matter.

 

No?

[+ deej]

So your preferences supersede EVERYONE ELSE'S no matter what, eh?

[uwsman2]

No. As long as important societal rights, privileges and benefits are tethered to marriage, attaining it is important for those couples who have decided to join their lives emotionally and financially. One of the horrors in the early years of the AIDS epidemic was reading about the surviving partner of gay men who died from AIDS who suffered intolerable deprivations and needless expense at a time of emotional trauma because the law treated them as legal strangers to their deceased partners. You are speaking from profound ignorance.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

So your preferences supersede EVERYONE ELSE'S no matter what, eh?

 

Your ego suggests that my post reflects everyone else's thoughts on the planet. How very deej-like of you. :-)

 

My post here deej has nothing to do with your preferences or anyone else. Obviously, your an angry man before your a gay man.

[JT Brooklyn]

No. As long as important societal rights, privileges and benefits are tethered to marriage, attaining it is important for those couples who have decided to join their lives emotionally and financially. One of the horrors in the early years of the AIDS epidemic was reading about the surviving partner of gay men who died from AIDS who suffered intolerable deprivations and needless expense at a time of emotional trauma because the law treated them as legal strangers to their deceased partners. You are speaking from profound ignorance.

 

I usually avoid the Gay Marriage Issue..BUT I do agree with uwsman2 on this statement

[leigh.bess.toad]

I agree -- NO!!!

 

Maybe you aren't interested in marriage. Maybe a lot of gay men aren't. But a lot are. The desire for a committed, loving relationship is not strictly a heterosexual phenomenon. Most of you know my story. I'm currently married to a woman and have been for 34 years. But I've come out to her and this relationship will be ending at some point. I didn't know I was ready for a real relationship with a man, but I found one. And I can see (and hope I do) spending the rest of my life with my now bf. Marriage? Who knows? But the desire for that commitment, that connection, where you share your life with someone hasn't gone away.

 

But the other flaw in your thinking is the apparent assumption that gay men are the only part of this equation. What about gay women? They certainly seem to be drawn to that committed relationship?

 

And if even only one member of our community desires to make that commitment, shouldn't they have that right?

[orbital sander]

Your ego suggests that my post reflects everyone else's thoughts on the planet. How very deej-like of you. :-)

 

My post here deej has nothing to do with your preferences or anyone else. Obviously, your an angry man before your a gay man.

 

So... you have decided "Most gay men really don’t want to marry other gay men". how enlightened you are...

[Guest ChgoBoy]

One of the horrors in the early years of the AIDS epidemic was reading about the surviving partner of gay men who died from AIDS who suffered intolerable deprivations and needless expense at a time of emotional trauma because the law treated them as legal strangers to their deceased partners. You are speaking from profound ignorance.

 

Actually, I am not ignorant of that at all. And, If that becomes your comfort zone, than you've never really experienced what any of this is really about.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

So... you have decided "Most gay men really don’t want to marry other gay men". how enlightened you are...

 

I haven't decided that at all. Just look upon what represents the gay community for what the gay community represents itself for being.

 

Why, if there are not porn stars, escorts and all of the same mix of sexual opportunities at Folsum, or here, or there, or somewhere other, no-one would be interested in attending. You people here are only here because you want sex. You want sex, but you really want what doesn't come along with paid for sex, so you want boyfriend experiences. And complain when you dont get them.

 

Let's please not be so disingenuous to not realize what we are really talking about here.

[orbital sander]

I haven't decided that at all. Just look upon what represents the gay community for what the gay community represents itself for being.

 

You people here are only here because you want sex.

 

You want sex, but you really want what doesn't come along with paid for sex, so you want boyfriend experiences. And complain when you dont get them.

 

Let's please not be so disingenuous to not realize what we are really talking about here.

 

How do you know what I am here for?

 

How do you know what I really want?

 

I challenge you to find one post from me that complains about not getting a "boyfriend experience"...or even discussing that

 

Lets please not be so delusional...

 

Jesus Christ...is this one of Merlin's other identities?

[Rick Munroe]

Most gay men really don't want to marry other gay men. They only want to do so because they can't.

 

And, according to every sitcom I've ever seen, most straight men don't want to marry straight women. They only do so because the woman forces or tricks them into it. So, what's your point?

[rvwnsd]

Who the hell are you to decide that most gay men only want to marry other gay men because they can't do so? If that's how you feel about yourself then say so, but don't paint everyone else with the same broad brush.

[corndog]

I don't, personally, want to marry. However, without the option to marry, I don't really have the option to choose not to, do I?

[jjkrkwood]

Well I know this is where everyone EXPECTS me to jump in, so I will...

 

ChicagoBoy, how stupid and arrogant of you to speak for Gay society. Personally, I DONT want to marry, but I want the rights to be able to do so if I chose to. The issue is NOT about marrigae per se. Its about EQUALITY. Shame on you for denying ANY human being his rights to "anything". Had you ever been in a Gay relationship and denied a "voice" when your partner is lying in a hospital bed dying, you would understand. I feel sorry that you have never experienced an emotion as strong as LOVE, and I hope you never have to endure losing a Cherished

life-partner. I will just chalk your original comments off to ignorance and lack of life experience. Hopefully one day you will see the picture more clearly and make amends for your stupidity.

[+ purplekow]

Well I don't presume to assume that everyone expects me to jump in, but I will add some thoughts.

Gay marriage, DADT these are matters in which the government has been systematically treating gay individuals differently from heterosexual individuals. And while none of us believes that all men are created equal, all Americans should expect to be treated equally under the laws of the land. I was happily married in a monogamous relationship with a woman for many years. After her death, I began to hire escorts and recently I have once again started dating women as well as men. I doubt I will ever marry. I appreciated the choice however.

As far as Folsum representing the true desires of the gay community, I think there are times that somemen, straight and gay, enjoy a bit of debauchery. Folsum, Mardi Gras, Carnivale in Rio, a wild weekend in Vegas. A thin slice of a very big pie of experience.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

ChicagoBoy, how stupid and arrogant of you to speak for Gay society. Personally, I DONT want to marry, but I want the rights to be able to do so if I chose to. The issue is NOT about marrigae per se. Its about EQUALITY. Shame on you for denying ANY human being his rights to "anything". Had you ever been in a Gay relationship and denied a "voice" when your partner is lying in a hospital bed dying, you would understand. I feel sorry that you have never experienced an emotion as strong as LOVE, and I hope you never have to endure losing a Cherished

life-partner. I will just chalk your original comments off to ignorance and lack of life experience. Hopefully one day you will see the picture more clearly and make amends for your stupidity.

 

Comprehensive reading is as much a responsibility as it is a right. Had you engaged this responsibility properly you would then see how misleading and inaccurate your above post truly is.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

And, according to every sitcom I've ever seen, most straight men don't want to marry straight women. They only do so because the woman forces or tricks them into it. So, what's your point?

 

My point, Rick, is that life is not a teevee sitcom.

[jjkrkwood]

My point, Rick, is that life is not a teevee sitcom.

 

CB, i Have read, and I do understand your Bold, sweeping , blanket statements regarding the right of marriage. Regardless of what YOU think. the right DOES matter, despite, and irregardless of the person you purport to be. In our society having that recognition speaks volumes. I know you are trying to portray yourself here as a highly educated and enlightened scholar, but your comments clearly miss the mark. Maybe its YOUR comprehension that needs fine-tuning ?

[MsGuy]

I wonder if it matters to the 131,729 gay couples who reported themselves as married on the 2010 census forms?

 

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/27/3942706/census-131729-gay-couples-report.html