The (Expensive) New Crew

[ad rian]

>This has made me curious:

>have other people stopped using Campus in new york since the

>rate hike, or are you just paying?

 

I stopped, but just recently went back to a regular who returned. If I see him again, I'll ask for a direct number and a negotiated rate. The escort did complain that the guys don't get as many calls, and most don't think that they are netting more after the rate given the fewer calls. (However, that might be a function of increased competition because there are more guys listed now.) Another former regular, no longer takes late appointments because he has a regular job too. I suppose that might be insignificant, but I bet it reflects, in part, a reduction in net revenues for everyone other than Mike. Does Mike pay the escorts an hourly rate to answer the phone for him now? If so, no wonder the service standards have declined. Apart from the obvious conflict of interest, it must be hard to settle for answering his phone for minimum wage rather than fucjing at $250/hour.

[Guest elwood]

I have to agree with Boston Guy..and add my own view. Escorts charge what the market wil bear.And as a client you must decide what it is worth to you. Think about it yourself....selling your sexual favors to people of all descriptions...too cheap and you demean yourself...too much and you starve.As a client...am I so old or ugly or desperate that I need to pay THAT much for..whatever? It's a balance and an individual thing for sure.This escort/client relationship is highly charged. On both sides..there is a self-respect issue. I try to treat any escort I hire with respect and I have hired quite a few escorts in the past year and a half. I have paid many different prices and receiceved many different results...not all directly related to price.The most money I paid was for the most disappointing meeting (Scott Matthews).It was demeaning and I will never do it again.On the other hand..I have met with many escorts in the $100-200 range and I am talking about some VERY good escorts...as good as they get ( Alec Martinez,Joey Ciccone,Brad from Raleigh..TOP OF THE LINE).My opinion....$100...200 is the range.

The Talvin and Michael Vincenzo's to me...not worth it..too arrogant.

But its all an individual thing. Both Talvin and Michael are probably fantastic at what they do.Indeed they offer clean,safe,HOT sex and are honest and reliable as well from what I can tell and that is most likely the reason they are so popular... I just think the same traits are far more widespread(albeit not widespread enough).But just think of some of the nightmares escorts also experience for their money.It's a balance. If you can't take it...don't hire ( my hiring is now almost never) and if you don't feel you can do it...don't hire yourself out.Overwhelmingly...my escort experiences have been positive for me and well worth it. But there has also been a downside. As I've said before..this is really kind of a twisted thing....yet...........I still do it.I actually feel that for some people in certain circumstances it is actually very positive..and it has been for me..but the negative experiences have reminded me...hey this is life..ok i'll shut up.

[Guest Collie]

Boston Guy,

 

Again you bring some sanity to the board. In my perambulations in West Hollywood, I met a black street hustler who literally "hustled" me.....needing money fast. I had no interest, so he asked for money for breakfast, which I gave him. He told me that there was lots of free sex and no one wants to pay much.

 

I later went into a CD store in the same area and engaged in a conversation with a young many who just purchased about $300.00 in CD's to use at a "bath house". I told him about my conversation with the street hustler and he said "no one in their right mind pays for sex today. There are the baths, the sex clubs, and the internet".

 

So I wonder "how many" people are paying high prices. There are always old johns who pay and pay well. They feel they have to. But $400.00 an hour is a bit over the top. I can't believe there are many takers at that price. One could drive a pretty nice luxury car for $400.00 a month and maybe pick up some new trick for free. Sex is a lot of illusion and usually what goes on in our heads is quite something different than what is actually going on.

 

But then anyone can ask any price. Neiman-Marcus has wonderful sales, and the final markdown is called last call. At last call you can get $200. shirts for $25.00. So my take is they will ask any price and see what the market will bring.

 

I haven't used escorts for a little while, but I get solicitous calls from the ones I used, "just to touch down".........So I don't think business is booming for these guys. It's a lot of hucksterism. And quite frankly if someone needs someone so badly as to pay those high prices, the money should be spent on pyschiatry.

[Flower]

>hey just my

>opinion.and I did'nt mention age.... flower did

>..............so dump on him heeeeee heeee taylor@

>23:19-09/26/02

 

Damn! I get enough shit for what I write, so please don't get me in trouble for what I don't write

 

But since I'm here by "invitation" here's my take:

1. The market is what the market is and what some fool will pay.

 

2. No one is worth $400/hour for any type of personal service unless it will keep you outta jail, save your life, or make you look 20 years younger.

 

3. The sex appeal of an escort, or anyone else, to me, is a combination of both outer sexi looks and inner beauty, personality, personal chemistry (not chemical:) and intelligence. I look for it all when I can find it. It is interesting, but an otherwise very beautiful person can become unattractive very quickly (to me anyway) with a poor attitude, poor personality, overt stupidity or an exhibition of arrogance.

 

4. Regardless of affordability, I am personally opposed to paying $400/hr for an escort for several reasons, including that there is no need based on some great guys out there at more reasonable fees; there are too many other things I'd rather have for that kinda money; and most important to me is, that when escorts start believing they are worth that much, they are seemingly more likely to have developed the dreaded attitude and arrogance mentioned above.

 

IMHO :+ :+ :+ :+ :+

 

Flower :*

[Guest Kalifornia]

>>Hey Cuntlips, how old am I?

>

>I'll beat you to the punchline: You can't count that high.

>

>I'm only ten years older than the youngest legally working

>escorts, I don't see what the big fucking deal is. What you

>can only get it on with someone who looks like the kid who

>cuts your grass?

 

No I usually go for the one who cleans my pool, though thanks for the suggestion.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Bilbo]

Rod - Interestingly enough, especially in light of the current conversation, when Kristian started in this profession, he was just charging $150. I wasn't sure from your posts if you realized that. (Possibly just my faulty reading.) According to his reviews, he has gone up since then - meaning - and this might have been your point, it's early here - that he went just the opposite of the trend the original poster was decrying with starting at a good market price (what was a bit high of standard here in Houston the last time I researched that, admittedly a year or two ago) and then realizing that he could go higher rather than strting as high as he thought he could go and then having to whittle it down.

[Bilbo]

Elwood - One small angle you don't mention is that if one charges too little (true of masseurs, too, and probably a lot of other things), the prospective clients will wonder what's wrong with you that you're charging so little and you will get less business because of it. None of the clients here have indicated that they think very much of those escorts charging under $100. Possibly another ego thing- "I'm worth more than a man who only charges that little!" N'est ce pas?

[Rod Hagen]

How does a cop afford a house with a swimming pool? Oh yes, I forgot, this is SoCal: you guys make the crooks look honest.

 

On the other hand I'm probably REALLY pushing my luck aren't I?

 

Mark, you're the greatest and LAPD is finest. }> :o :* ;-) :7 :+ :9 :-)

[duke37]

This thread reminded me of something I have discovered in retailing. I sell chess sets that cost $20. I sell sets that cost $100 and I stock one chess set that costs $300. I don't sell many of the $300 sets but it makes the $100 sets seem very reasonable. Those are my best sellers.

 

If some escort charges $400+ well I think it makes guys who charge $150-$250 seem very reasonable. Its somewhat ironic that someone charging more than the market will bear helps establish a fair price point for producers (escorts) and consumers (clients).

 

Granted hiring escorts (or buying chess sets for that matter) are activities well outside of the ordinary experience of most people. If it was well known what price was "fair market" value for escorts very few would go outside that range at least without having something extra desirable to justify the higher cost. On the other hand very few clients have a wide range of knowledge about the going rate of escorts either. It seems the confusion that happens in this market is due to the lack of information.

 

Of course I have completely glossed over the most important aspect of hiring. The intensely human and personal interactive nature of it throw a lot of the rules of supply and demand out the window. So I hope the escorts here don't think I'm comparing them to loaves of bread.

 

But on the other hand if I were an escort I would consider being ready for calls from people not wanting to pay the $400 an hour. Suddenly your rates seem very fair.:-)

 

Jeff

[Guest Kenny021]

>Perhaps.

>

>But, in the end, isn't it only important that the men we

>choose be attractive to us? It doesn't really matter

>whether other men would find them attractive.

>

>BG

 

EXACTLY...I wouldn't go with Kristian even if he were free.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Who pays and why

 

My cop is 37, very well built and hung like the proverbial horse. He's married, with two kids and self-identifies as bi-sexual. He gets free sex with two gay cops on the force and with some younger neighborhood guys in their twenties.

 

He also hires me. Since he's a peace officer, with a mortgage and two pre-teen children, he rates a good deal (which I would offer any one simularly situated - an emergency room MD, for example, who gave up performing botox and lipo to treat burn patients pro bono).

 

Most of my client base is between the ages of 32 - 44. There are any number of reasons why clients chose to hire. It really strikes me that other clients, who have hired in the past, would make critical remarks about who would hire in the present or future, at any price point.

 

Yes, it is very easy for someone to have sex. On line, in a bath house, or a sex club. But there are very good reasons why busy business people or married bisexual cops would chose not to spend their time and money in a bathhouse or sex club or spend the energy and time on line while in a relationship, irrespective of their age, dick size or looks, and who make the choice that works best for them.

 

This forum really should respect the individual choices we make and, at best, offer advise when it is requested and our opinions only when appropriately called for, until we live in one another's shoes and know exactly what their situation is.

[Guest Slammy]

>I know a lot of people are out of work...maybe these new

>escorts are straight?

>

>Or maybe one guy alone is testing the market....using

>different names. I'd definitely be leary. Maybe "Beware of

>Nick" can give you some ideas...He has to be the best on

>Investigative reporting on escorts.

>

>JIM

>

>:l

[Guest Slammy]

>I know a lot of people are out of work...maybe these new

>escorts are straight?

>

>Or maybe one guy alone is testing the market....using

>different names. I'd definitely be leary. Maybe "Beware of

>Nick" can give you some ideas...He has to be the best on

>Investigative reporting on escorts.

>

>JIM

>

>:l What is "Beware of Nick" and how does one access it?

[Guest Kenny021]

>This has made me curious:

>have other people stopped using Campus in new york since the

>rate hike, or are you just paying?

 

Yes....I will NOT pay $300. Maximum Escorts still charges $250 and I've always had good luck with them. They have a very good lineup of great guys and their tel guy is very good.

[Guest LOVEHANDLE27]

One of the posters just said that you can't get a good escort for $150.00, sorry to burst your bubble, but there are still a VERY GOOD

crop of new escorts that are charging just that and delivers like the $250-$350 crop if not more!

 

Matheus of Rentboy NYC is one. Braazilian hunk with lots of muscles and come highly recommended! No fuzz, just lots of fun! And the only way to find out is to go and try him out!

 

I have had pricey escorts in my life, and tired of paying retail when I can get the same thing for a discount! Besides, New Yorkers NEVER PAY RETAIL! And to add icing to the cake: a dick is only as good as the guy it is attached to anyway!

[taylorky]

>>hey just my

>>opinion.and I did'nt mention age.... flower did

>>..............so dump on him heeeeee heeee taylor@

>>23:19-09/26/02

>

> Damn! I get enough shit for what I

>write, so please don't get me in trouble for what I don't

>write

 

oooooooooppppppppppssssssssssss your right so sorry flower....wasn't you.may i get bitten by a swine flu skeeter for this.shame shame on me (;=(.............taylor @-08:43-09/27/02

[chrismac]

RE: Who pays and why

 

>Yes, it is very easy for someone to have sex. On line, in a

>bath house, or a sex club. But there are very good reasons

>why busy business people or married bisexual cops would

>chose not to spend their time and money in a bathhouse or

>sex club or spend the energy and time on line while in a

>relationship, irrespective of their age, dick size or looks,

>and who make the choice that works best for them.

 

Reading through this thread, Franco makes the point that I was thinking myself; there are many guys who decide to hire escorts not out of "desperation" or because they can't get sex any other way with the type of guy they'd like to sleep with. I've found that after being rather "successful" with the online dating and sex thing, I'm now considering going back to occasional escort hiring for the following reasons:

 

1) For those escorts you've been with before, or who come well-reviewed over a long period of time - you pretty much know what you're going to get.

 

2) They are generally more safety-conscious, and as a bottom, that's important to me. I can't count the number of times I've had to stop the action with a "freebie" date and insist on using a condom - even though the guy claimed in his profile that he "always" engages in safe sex practices.

 

3) No games. If an escort agrees to a date and time, they'll be there, usually on time. No-shows among well-reviewed professional experienced escorts are rare (not unheard of - as I experienced myself - but rare), especially if you've been with the escort before and you both are previously acquainted.

 

Online dating and hookups in bars and bathhouses can lead to dangerous

situations with uncertain outcomes. At least with escorts who have a track record - you have a modicum of security in knowing how things will turn out.

 

Of course, it's also possible to meet quality guys online which can lead to LTR, but one should be patient and not willing to jump into the sack on the first date, lest sex become to sole focus of whatever "relationship" develops.

 

That's been my experience of late, anyhow.

[Guest fukamarine]

>How does a cop afford a house with a swimming pool? Oh yes,

>I forgot, this is SoCal: you guys make the crooks look

>honest.

 

Totally uncalled for and it reveals what an asshole you are.

 

It also reveals how conventional your little mind is. You imply that anyone who works for a fixed, public servant salary could not possibly afford a house and a pool.

 

Guess it never occured to you that people with even limited means can make astute investments and reap the financial rewards, not to mention the possibility of them having family or inherited money.

 

Guess that explains why you are selling your tired old dick to make ends meet.

 

fukamarine

[Rod Hagen]

>It also reveals how conventional your little mind is. You

>imply that anyone who works for a fixed, public servant

>salary could not possibly afford a house and a pool.

 

Ok since you're so goddamn smart please explain to me how in a bad economy someone Grossing, not netting, $50-65k/year can afford a house with a pool in Southern California baring family/inherited money.

[Guest Kalifornia]

>>It also reveals how conventional your little mind is. You

>>imply that anyone who works for a fixed, public servant

>>salary could not possibly afford a house and a pool.

>

>Ok since you're so goddamn smart please explain to me how in

>a bad economy someone Grossing, not netting, $50-65k/year

>can afford a house with a pool in Southern California baring

>family/inherited money.

 

Maybe that *somebody* and unlike that nobody was very good at investing during the Clinton era and knew when Bush was awarded the election by the Supreme Court it was time to make adjustments in his portfolio. Just a wild guess though.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

 

note to self: volunteer for the next weho vice operation }>

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>note to self: volunteer for the next weho vice operation }>

 

The nice thing about living in the City of West Hollywood is that the county sheriff who serve under contract as the peace officers for the dity, prioritize crimes differently than does the LAPD. At times in the last 24 months when LAPD police officers were outside their jurisdictions and getting otherwise law abiding gay men to walk with them from a Santa Monica Boulevard bar to a car parked immediately outside the City of West Hollywood but in LAPD jurisdiction for sex in order to arrest them, the Sheriff was more concerned with crimes that had victims, such as the several recent gay bashings in West Hollywood.

 

Just for the record, I think any public servant, particularly a fireman, EMT, or peace officer, who puts himself and his fellow officers on the line on behalf of the public, deserves all of the credit and commendation the public at large can provide, including a decent salary, but I think joking about the abuse of police powers is neither amusing nor particularly commendable.

[Guest Kalifornia]

RE: Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>>note to self: volunteer for the next weho vice operation }>

>

>Just for the record, I think any public servant,

>particularly a fireman, EMT, or peace officer, who puts

>himself and his fellow officers on the line on behalf of the

>public, deserves all of the credit and commendation the

>public at large can provide, including a decent salary, but

>I think joking about the abuse of police powers is neither

>amusing nor particularly commendable.

 

Two pints of clarification. I have never stated where in Southern California I am employed. Rod assumed it was the LAPD. Personally I like to think I have farmore class, though he might be right and I might be wrong.

 

Next point I wasn't joking. You break the law you pay the price. You want to change the law do something! Don't just whine about it here.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>Two pints of clarification. I have never stated where in

>Southern California I am employed. Rod assumed it was the

>LAPD. Personally I like to think I have farmore class,

>though he might be right and I might be wrong.

 

I tend to lump all things Southern Californian into a general "LA" category. It's a big character flaw of mine; one of thousands.

 

>Next point I wasn't joking. You break the law you pay the

>price. You want to change the law do something! Don't just

>whine about it here.

 

Mark, don't you break the law every time you hire an escort? Wouldn't it upset you if someone told you you were to soon pay the price? (BTW are you a bottom? You and I don't get along, but I think cops are hot, so angry sex might be just what this animosity needs).

[N.N.]

When I look back at all the encounters I've had, paid or otherwise,

I have to say there's a huge difference between a great session and

a merely good one. A killer fuck is simply in a different category

of experience--for me anyway.

 

I would rather have one great fuck than two merely good ones. But

I have no confidence that paying through the nose will get me one,

so I've stuck with escorts who charge more or less standard rates.

[taylorky]

RE: Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>>>note to self: volunteer for the next weho vice operation }>

I have never stated where in

>Southern California I am employed. Rod assumed it was the

>LAPD.

 

>Next point I wasn't joking. You break the law you pay the

>price. You want to change the law do something! Don't just

>whine about it here.

>

>Mark -Kalifornia

======================================================================whoa what a jerk! and i thought this guy was ok......he probably works for signal hill.hmmmmmmm i don't sell or buy sex, but he DOES! i guess that makes him a hypocrite and a criminal....so sad people like him feed at the public trough:-( :-( :-(