I Know It's Hot - But Is It Wrong?

[Guest Thunderbuns]

Last Sunday I attended a bar-b-que which ended up being held indoors due to unco-operative weather. There were two hunks there - whom I had heard about previously but never met - who were brothers. One was roughly 25 and the other about 22.

 

I had heard rumors about them but doubted the truth of same. The word around town was that they were lovers. It turns out that while they were not exclusivly "lovers" they did enjoy having sex together, especially for an audience.

 

As the evening progressed I noticed a crowd had gathered in the kitchen and being a curious soul, I investigated the cause.

 

There they were. The oldest one leaning back on the kitchen counter, jeans around his ankles, getting blown by his younger brother, who remained fully clothed. Needless to say the scene was hot hot hot.

 

One of my fantasies had always been to see two twins at it. Well these guys were not twins. In fact although there was a definite family resemblance, they did look quite different. But they WERE brothers.

 

Although I enjoyed watching the scene very much, I have been wondering since if it was morally wrong or not? Technically it's incest, isn't it? But what harm can come from it? Any ideas?

 

Confused in Vancouver

 

Thunderbuns

[Huey]

What no pictures Always take pictures!

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[Guest jbart39]

Incest may be the last taboo. If I were twin to one of the Abercrombie and Fitch guys (recently in full view on a post), I'd sure want to work over my brother.

 

The greatest prohibition against incest, as far as I know, concerns producing idiot progeny. So again, here is a taboo based on reproduction -- the same basis for anti-homosexual prejudice.

 

I have no answer. And I've never had to make a decision, or advise on a decision.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>You are so full of shit it is funny.

>Gee Mariah, could you have pulled a more trite, cliched

>story out of your ass?

 

You're entitled to your opinion - I admit it does sound "over the top", but I know what I saw.

 

If it were not true I would have published it in the thread "Two Thruths & a Lie". Some of those truths sounded too good to be true too, but that's life. Shit happens and fortunately so does the good stuff!

 

And as for pulling something out of my ass..... you'd be surprised what has come out of there :-)

 

Have a great day - you disbeliever you :-) :-0 :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>What no pictures Always take pictures!

 

That would have been great but I had no camera and I highly doubt it would have be allowed. A lot of the guests were up-tight, holier than thou types - but it didn't stop them watching.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest unlimited_horizons2002]

wrong????????????? hell NO man. i would have loved to see it. and participate. did the brother swallow??:-)

[+ deej]

>The greatest prohibition against incest, as far as I know,

>concerns producing idiot progeny.

 

Well, that and child abuse. As far as I'm concerned, if two consenting adults want to rut like pigs it's their own business.

 

There used to be a website (may still be) called "2StudBrothers" featuring to muscular guys, half-brothers atually, that got it on together and others regularly. More power to 'em!

 

Much has been written about the "special bond" between twins. They generally already share an intimacy far beyond physical. If they can also share the physical intimacy, it must be an awesome experience.

 

Having said that though, the only gay twin that I know tells me his brother is a homophobe and a prude. Since the twin that I know has also done quite a few porn films, you can imagine what relationship he has with his brother. :-(

[Guest Les]

I know you like the Brewer twins TB: :7

http://www.queer-america.com/images/brewers/forest4.jpg

 

The thing that infuriates me is that they used the homosexual community to gain fame and now deny not only that they're gay but claim to have no knowledge of where the rumors started.. SHEESH! x(

[Guest Les]

http://www.queer-america.com/images/brewers/forest5.jpg

 

Yeah right, girls!

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>The thing that infuriates me is that they used the

>homosexual community to gain fame and now deny not only that

>they're gay but claim to have no knowledge of where the

>rumors started.. SHEESH! x(

 

I have to agree with you. I think I read that one of them had recently taken the plunge and married a female, no less. Not that that proves anything.

 

They are truly breath-takingly beautiful - but then I do have a "thing" for blonds.

 

I wonder how much money they make in legit modeling? You don't hear of them THAT often so I bet it is not great. They could have probably been more successful $$$ if they had come out and plied their trade to our community. If some escorts can make a couple of hundred thou a year by working their buns off - just think how much the Brewers could have made hiring themselves out as twin duos. Lots of guys would pay thousands for an overnite with them.

 

I think I also read that their parents were very right wing religious and very big on family values. That might have been an impediment to them outing themselves. Guess we will never know :-(

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>

>

> wrong????????????? hell NO man. i would have loved to see

>it. and participate. did the brother swallow??:-)

 

I don't think so - at least not while I was watching.

 

Thunderbuns

[chrismac]

"If you wake up and the cat's licking your dick,

 

and you don't push it away,

 

is that so wrooooooong?

 

Here kitty, kitty..."

 

- Bob "Big Dick" Zany

[+ Axiom2001]

The only idea that I'd like to shed is: what the fuck? Live and let live minus any moral implications. What role does sex play in your life?

[+ Axiom2001]

I definitely would have liked to have been one of the voyeurs at this bar b!! The view would have made me stiff in the right place. Even the "brothers" could have started a hot steamy orgy right in there ol' kitchen!

 

One year I went to an after hour's club in San Francisco (since closed). A man was lying on a slab of wood being screwed really, really hard! In a bathtub not too far from him was a man receiving ws from a cadre of pissers! Aah those sounds more than "turned others and me on"! I could write a short story and have it published in some gay rag somewhere by what I witnessed and experienced vicariously!!

[Flower]

>There were two hunks

>there - whom I had heard about previously but never met -

>who were brothers. One was roughly 25 and the other about

>22.

>*****

>

>There they were. The oldest one leaning back on the kitchen

>counter, jeans around his ankles, getting blown by his

>younger brother, who remained fully clothed. Needless to say

>the scene was hot hot hot.

>*****t.

>But they WERE brothers.

>Although I enjoyed watching the scene very much, I have been

>wondering since if it was morally wrong or not? Technically

>it's incest, isn't it? But what harm can come from it? Any

>ideas?

>Thunderbuns

 

If I may make a serious observation, aside from the hot nature of the scene, it self, what could be immoral? First I assume we are all past any moral hang-ups on man-man sex. Given that, there has to be a different morality for 2 brothers to have sex than for a brother-sister, or heterosexual incestuous relationship. It is my opinion that are "age old moral codes" were put in place to protect the specie, and has been pointed out, heterol incest cold and eventually would produce defective specie--here, that is not a concern so there is no moral issue. Another example is the Hebrew taboo or eating pork -- I believe it was for self preservation prior to knowing that pork properly cooked was safe--but as a moral code or religious edict, it worked and saved lives. While if is no longer necessary for saving lives, it lives in the religion--a tradition, much the same as brother - brother sex might. Same thing for gay sex--if, when the world was populated, it was desirable to expand the specie ASAP, then by all means ban nonproductive sexual behavior such as man-man sex or even jacking off--it was believed to be wasting precious seed, which we now know is replenishable :-) so no harm no foul--at least IMHO :-) My priest didn't see it that way several years ago when I was questioning the churches antigay sentiment, and although he couldn't articulate a reason for gay sex to be immoral, "it just was' seemed to be all he needed.

 

As with all rules, the reasons for them in the first place need to be analyzed and determined if still valid.

Flower :*

[BewareofNick]

There is something about Flower that seems awfully familiar. I wonder what it could be?

[trilingual]

Well, commonly the taboo on incest with close family members is attributed to the danger of reinforcing bad genetic characteristics. The most famous examples, of course, are the hemophiliac royal families of Europe (no longer such a problem now that they've stopped marrying their first cousins!).

 

Even if you're not a royal, there are still serious issues about having sex with a close relative. Without casting it in terms of "morality," we all know that sex brings powerful emotions and complications to a relationship. Unfortunately, if your sexual partner is also your brother, for example, and things go bad with that part of the relationship, you can't end the relationship and go your separate ways as you could if you were unrelated. There's a risk of a lifetime of bad blood or bad feelings and a destroyed family if things go wrong. So the question has to be: is it worth that risk?

 

There probably are examples of succesful relationships between brothers (even twin brothers) but I'm willing to bet they're rare.

[Flower]

>Stir up trouble? Moi? Perish the thought. Did't you read

>the e-mail I sent you Flower child?

 

Nope, I sure didn't--I just checked my inbox and nothing and now I'm really curious--so send it again PLEASE--PLEASE--PLEASE :7 (shows you how bored I am to night :'(

 

Flower :*

[Bilbo]

RE: Beating off taboo

 

If you examine the Bible story about Onan, on which a lot of the anitmasturbation taboo claims to be based, you see that it was not just ordinary ejaculation. In those days of nomadic desert tribes having trouble surviving and "needing more people ASAP" (actually an indirect quote with some words wrong, sorry), if a woman was widowed and her departed spouse had a brother, it was standard that the widow would then be married to the brother. Such had happened to a man named Onan, but, for some reason I can't remember, he hated the situation. He went into her tent, where she was lying on the ground waiting for him to fuck her, and instead of fucking her he insultingly beat off and let his cum fall on the ground between her legs. Certainly, I think you'll agree, not the same as a horny teenager going out in the woods and letting it fall on the ground. So, if you hear someone old fashioned calling masturbation Onanism - well, now you know!

[Guest elwood]

Interesting thread...and I must admit to a certain arousal from the idea of brothers and/or twin brothers having sex. The moral issue seems not really any different than sex between two consenting adult men.As pointed out earlier however there could be some real psychological issues. As for incest...the taboo I am sure stems from the possible genetic screw-ups from too close in-breeding so that is not an issue here since no reproduction is possible from such an encounter.In our species, incest can only take place between two close relatives of the opposite sex. Though both my brothers were quite attractive,I never had the slightest sexual interest and probably would have found it creepy...but not for any moral or taboo reasons.

[+ imagooddog]

Yes, there is something VERY familiar. Sure makes a person wonder!

[Guest seraph250]

>My priest didn't

>see it that way several years ago when I was questioning the

>churches antigay sentiment, and although he couldn't

>articulate a reason for gay sex to be immoral, "it just was'

>seemed to be all he needed.

>

>As with all rules, the reasons for them in the first place

>need to be analyzed and determined if still valid.

>Flower

 

 

If you don't believe religion creates a connection between man and a being of superior wisdom then I see no reason to bother with it at all.

[Rick Munroe]

>A man was lying on a slab of wood being

>screwed really, really hard!

 

With wood screws?

 

>In a bathtub not too far from

>him was a man receiving ws from a cadre of pissers!

 

Axiom, this has to be the first time in history that water sports and "cadre" appear in the same sentence.

[Flower]

>There is something about Flower that seems awfully familiar.

> I wonder what it could be?

Are you really wondering or just trying to be coy? Or, just trying to stir up Trouble? LMAO spit it out, if you think there is something "familiar" here--I'm dying to know what.

Flower :*

[BewareofNick]

>>There is something about Flower that seems awfully familiar.

>> I wonder what it could be?

> Are you really wondering or just trying

>to be coy? Or, just trying to stir up Trouble? LMAO

>spit it out, if you think there is something "familiar"

>here--I'm dying to know what.

>Flower :*

 

I just finished rereading the novel Q-Squared, by Peter David. It deals with the characters Q, from STTNG, and Trelane, from STTOS. It takes place in the regular Trek universe, as well as two alternate universes, one where it is still the first season of TNG, and one based on the militaristic timeline from the episode, Yesterday's Enterprise. We meet characters from all three universes. For example, the regular Captain Picard, the military Captain Picard, and from the Season One Universe, Commander Picard, who is first office to Captain Jack Crusher. The same person, yet different in each universe. Kind of like Flower.

 

Stir up trouble? Moi? Perish the thought. Did't you read the e-mail I sent you Flower child?