Terror Inc-NY Post 5/21

[Guest RushNY]

The front page of todays New York Post has a story which made my mind boggle with the absurdity of it,for those who wanna read you can access it on http://www.nypost.com.

 

Basically the story starts with a meeting between Bin Laden's terror group and representatives from Hezbollah/Hamas which allegedly took place on 3/23/2002.

 

Also a quote from FBI Director Robert Mueller"There will be another terrorist attack...We will not be able to stop it it's something we all have to live with "-WHAT THE $$$$ WAY TO GO TO REASSURE PEOPLE.

This follows on from comments from Dick Cheney and Condoleeza Rice who basically said the same thing.

 

Another part of the story was that 2 dozen "extremists"recently slipped into the USA after hiding in cargo ships..they disembarked from late April to 5/15 between Miami,Long Beach and Savannah.

 

What i dont get is that what the intelligence people are doing to try and stop this happening again,or is it the fact that the politicians are covering their asses because they DONT know whats going on with the terrorists,another thing supposedly is that America will end up like Israel with squads of homicide/suicide bombers bringing terror ,imagine a squad of suicide bombers at Disneyland July 4th weekend or Macys Parade.

The only thing that's stopping me emigrating to Canada(joke)is if i lived in DC or LA i'd be more worried than another attack on NYC.

 

What i dont get is how America the most powerful country on the planet therefore more people hate the USA than anywhere else cant figure out when things like this are gonna happen and eradicate the people responsible before innocent people are harmed,surely the amount of money being poured into the "war on terror"some f it could be used to make sure the domestic and worldwide intelligence infrastructure is the best it can be.

[Guest regulation]

For some reason I had the impression that you are in law enforcement. If so, I don't know why you would find any of the information you mentioned particularly surprising.

 

Why can we not prevent hostile foreigners from entering the U.S.? About 30,000,000 people enter the U.S. on visas each year -- tourist visas, student visas, business visas and visas of other types. That is how many of the 9/11 hijackers got into this country, on legal visas. Spend a few minutes thinking about how many man-hours and how much money it would take to do a thorough background check on each and every one of those people every year. Now add the amount of time and money it would take to keep advised of the whereabouts of each and every one of those people while they are in the U.S. on a daily or weekly basis. To repeat, that figure takes account ONLY of those who enter the country LEGALLY.

 

About 6,000,000 cargo containers -- I am referring to the huge containers you have seen loaded on the decks of cargo ships and on railroad cars and tractor-trailers -- enter the U.S. each year. Only about 2% of those containers are actually inspected by U.S. government personnel. As for the other 98%, all we know about their contents is what is stated in the shipping documents that accompany them.

 

This information may give you some idea of what it would take to be sure of keeping all hostile foreigners and dangerous materials out of our country. If moving to Canada would make you feel safer, go ahead. But you should be aware -- it has been pointed out on this board before and 60 Minutes did a segment about it last month -- that Canada has a number of international terrorist groups operating on its soil. Canada's laws for admitting political refugees are much more liberal that those of the U.S. and make it almost impossible to deport someone who has asked for political asylum. Ahmed Ressam, the Algerian terrorist who was caught trying to sneak into the U.S. from Canada in 1999 with a truckload of explosives which he was planning to detonate at Los Angeles International Airport, obtained entry to Canada by asking for asylum and was allowed to stay there even though the authorities had plenty of evidence of his terrorist associations.

 

I think there is every likelihood that there will be suicide bombings by Islamic militants in the U.S. in the future so long as the U.S. is perceived as supporting corrupt and tyrannical governments in the Mideast in return for cheap oil. To hijack a plane and crash it into a building is a difficult and complicated undertaking, but there is nothing very difficult about detonating a suitcase full of explosives in the public area of a major airport, for example, since almost anyone can bring almost anything into such a place without any check of any kind. Rather than yelling at our leaders who are doing no more than stating the obvious, we should focus on what practical measures could be taken to make our country safer.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>and eradicate the people responsible before innocent people

>are harmed

 

That would require racial profiling and we all know that is impossible while he have the likes of Hillary Clinton slithering through the halls of Congress.

 

Helplessly yours,

 

FFF

[Traveller]

>That would require racial profiling and we all know that is

>impossible while he have the likes of Hillary Clinton

>slithering through the halls of Congress.

>

 

Racial profiling is done extensively in Israel, another modern, industrialized democracy which has seen extreme terrorism. Ah, but it will take at least one more horrific terrorist act before this effective method is used thanks, in addition to New York's junior senator, to Hill's two lap dogs, Daschle and Gephardt. I just wish Missouri and South Dakota were more likely targets. Makes you long for the good ole days of the cold war and all of those ICBMs in Daschle's backyard.

 

Later.

[+ deej]

Profiling (racial or otherwise) is already done in the US by marketers.

 

The major providers of marketing data are already working with the Feds to make sure that data is provided as needed. The cool thing is what they're doing with inter-linking computer systems and related alert systems.

 

It's going to be a very "big brother" society that falls out the other end of what we're doing now, but if we want to feel safe that's what we'll need to do.

[Guest regulation]

Any statements to the effect that Clinton, Daschle and Gephardt are preventing federal law enforcement agencies from using racial profiling in order to catch terrorists are pure bullshit. During the 2000 campaign Bush took a position against the use of racial profiling in law enforcement and both he and Ashcroft have reiterated that position on more than one occasion since taking office AND since 9/11. Norm Mineta has taken the same position with respect to airport security after 9/11.

[trilingual]

And if anyone thinks airport screeners aren't using racial/ethnic profiling right now they're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. Of course, that's not the only criterion for screening people, but it's a biggie.

 

Rush, I know articles like the one in the Post must be unnerving after what you experienced on 9/11. Unfortunately, they're just stating the sad truth that there probably will be other bombings and suicide attacks in the U.S. As you pointed out, there are a lot of people who hate the U.S. and want a go at us. And as Regulation points out, it's impossible to screen out everybody who's coming into the country. Not to mention the people who might already be in it. The only way to deal with this stuff psychologically is to remember that other horrible things happen every day, like people being killed in car accidents, or falling under subway trains, or being struck by lightning, or whatever. But somehow we manage to carry on normal lives, in spite of the fact that we know bad things exist out there.

 

None of this excuses what appears to be yet another breakdown in intelligence gathering and the failure to take appropriate action by the government. Although there's no guarantee that 9/11 could have been foreseen or prevented as a result of the information the government seems to have had before the fact, it might have avoided been if the airlines and airports had been put on a higher state of alert. A sweep of the aviation schools might have been possible, too, in which case some of these guys might have been picked up in time. It's galling to think that there was some good intelligence about this, but nobody ever acted on it because of disorganization, turf wars between agencies, etc. Even more galling is the administration's "cover our asses" campaign now that the word is out they had some advance warning something could be in the works. And I agree with Regulation. It's not the fault of the Democrats in Congress. It's the job of the administration (of whatever political flavor) to respond to intelligence alerts and protect the American people from attack. The intelligence agencies and defense forces answer to the President, not to Congress.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Rush, I know articles like the one in the Post must be

>unnerving after what you experienced on 9/11.

>Unfortunately, they're just stating the sad truth that there

>probably will be other bombings and suicide attacks in the

>U.S.

 

Well it's scarey to hear all the "experts" tell us that another attack is inevitable. But my gut tells me that they are probably right. The prospect of suicide bombings catching on here is the most frightening of all. Disneyland - Gay Pride Parades - The Metropolitan Opera etc. I don't think the American people could handle that kind of roaming threat.

 

However - if it is inevitable - might I make a suggestion as to viable targets. They should start with the Boston residence of one Cardinal Law. Seems like that is the only way we will purge ourselves of this scum. He just keeps getting more unbelievable day by day!

 

Thunderbuns

[Traveller]

>Any statements to the effect that Clinton, Daschle and

>Gephardt are preventing federal law enforcement agencies

>from using racial profiling in order to catch terrorists are

>pure bullshit.

 

Everyone knows that Hill and the rest take their orders from the Brookings institute. Every since David Rockefeller and the Queen left that organization for the Trilateral Commission, the rest of the gang at the BI has been out for America's blood. Wake up dude.

 

Later.

[Guest regulation]

>Everyone knows that Hill and the rest take their orders from

>the Brookings institute.

 

Everyone who managed to make it through a high school civics course knows that TSA, INS, Customs and Border Patrol take their orders from the President and his appointees, not from anyone in Congress.

[Traveller]

>Everyone who managed to make it through a high school civics

>course knows that TSA, INS, Customs and Border Patrol take

>their orders from the President and his appointees, not from

>anyone in Congress.

 

I smoked too much pot to graduate from high school, guy (besides, my parents are Azerbaizani). My pez dispenser (i.e., the Bible) convinced me that the Brookings Institute, and more specifically Happy Rockefeller's second cousin, rule the United States.

 

Later.

 

PS. To paraphrase your words, this is a site about "prostitution." I wouldn't take everything too seriously. It's Wednesday and 9:05 am, have a shot of Petron.

[Guest regulation]

>I smoked too much pot to graduate from high school, guy

 

Ever thought about getting your GED?

 

>PS. To paraphrase your words, this is a site about

>"prostitution." I wouldn't take everything too seriously.

 

I don't take prostitution or prostitutes very seriously, but terrorism is another matter. Anyone who doesn't take that seriously is a bloody fool.

[+ Charlie]

Americans take it for granted that safety is the normal state of affairs for human societies. In fact, in much of the world it is normal for citizens to live in constant fear of terrorists who are not controlled by the government--in some places the terrorists are even agents of the government. The real test of our character will be how we behave once we realize we are not as safe as we assumed we had a right to be.

[trilingual]

>Americans take it for granted that safety is the normal

>state of affairs for human societies.

 

And here's a great nutshell depiction of our national state of delusion. Hello? Americans act like our society is (or should be) as safe as Canada or Sweden, when the truth is that we're a gun-riddled, incredibly unsafe and violent society. There are nuts with guns everywhere in this country, and they use them on other people many times a day, every day of the year. Yet Americans go about their business as if we lived in a safe, gun-free society like Japan. Soon enough, we'll perform the same mental trick about terrorists and carry on with our lives as if they don't exist, either.

[Guest Willy]

>And here's a great nutshell depiction of our national state

>of delusion. Hello? Americans act like our society is (or

>should be) as safe as Canada or Sweden, when the truth is

>that we're a gun-riddled, incredibly unsafe and violent

>society. There are nuts with guns everywhere in this

>country, and they use them on other people many times a day,

>every day of the year. Yet Americans go about their

>business as if we lived in a safe, gun-free society like

>Japan. Soon enough, we'll perform the same mental trick

>about terrorists and carry on with our lives as if they

>don't exist, either.

 

What specific changes in daily life do you suggest individual Americans should make? Don't give me a political speech here, tell me how you think I should alter my routine.

 

By the way, most (please note that I said most not all) crime can be avoided by staying away from areas where criminals tend to congregate. I'm 44 years old and haven't been a crime victim since I was a little kid and got mugged in the park.

 

So, from my personal experience, America is in fact as safe as Japan. But we don't have Engrish.

 

http://www.internettrash.com/users/fupobu/japtoilet.html

[+ Charlie]

I have lived in the centers of major cities for the past 40 years. In that time I have been burglarized three times and suffered minor vandalism to the exterior of my home. I have never been robbed or assaulted, even though I am regularly on the street alone at night. Is it just good luck, or a good instinct for self-preservation? I don't know.