are you supposed to tip?

[firsttimer]

and how much are you usually supposed to tip after hiring an escort?

[+ sf westcoaster]

Search this forum for "tipping" - About four weeks ago there was a lengthy discussion on the topic. I think the thread was titled Reasonable Tip Amount.

[Romann]

I did a quick search to find the thread link - hope this helps!

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?t=69399&highlight=reasonable+amount

[firsttimer]

thanks!

[Guest zipperzone]

and how much are you usually supposed to tip after hiring an escort?

 

Oh at LEAST 50% - 75% if he was really good.

[uwsman2]

said with a wink?

 

50 to 75%? C'mon....

 

Escorts charge premium fees. Paying $200 or $250 or $300 or more for an hour of a guy's time is pretty steep for most of us. Remember what the minimum wage is in this country, and the hourly pay earned by the vast majority of the population.... Unless you are going through a service, the escort is self-employed, sets his price, and keeps the entire amount. If he's not clearing a profit above his operating expenses, he'll change his line of work. That said, he is providing a specialized, intimate service, and if he does it really well, I'm inclined to tip 10-20%, depending... Of course, guys for whom the escort's hourly rate is no big deal may well feel like throwing a lot more money at an escort who satisfies them, but that raises the ante for those of us who can't afford such largesse.

[Guest zipperzone]

50 to 75%? C'mon....

 

Escorts charge premium fees. Paying $200 or $250 or $300 or more for an hour of a guy's time is pretty steep for most of us. Remember what the minimum wage is in this country, and the hourly pay earned by the vast majority of the population.... Unless you are going through a service, the escort is self-employed, sets his price, and keeps the entire amount. If he's not clearing a profit above his operating expenses, he'll change his line of work. That said, he is providing a specialized, intimate service, and if he does it really well, I'm inclined to tip 10-20%, depending... Of course, guys for whom the escort's hourly rate is no big deal may well feel like throwing a lot more money at an escort who satisfies them, but that raises the ante for those of us who can't afford such largesse.

 

Last post definitely said with a wink!!!!!!!!!!!

But - If I'm paying someone $200 - 300 per hr, I'm not paying him one red cent tip. Perhaps it's HE that should be paying me a tip as a thank you for allowing him to collect his outrageous income - not said with a wink! Have they never heard of "frequent flier" rebates? They should hand out cards that they stamp after every encounter and after yours has 10 stamps, you get a freebie

[firsttimer]

I guess it's the American nature in me that despite the high hourly price I just feel weird not tipping for a service, but I understand both sides of the argument. 300 dollars is a lot already for just one hour!

[Guest greatness]

hmm

 

You don't have to tip if you don't want to. Some escorts calculate everything in their rates. However if a person lowers their rates because they are at an area where the escort business is slow then I usually consider that in the rate. In that case, if someone asks for 200 dollars per hour I usually give 250-300 dollars per hour. I don't think showing some appreciation for a good service is not bad at all. I think escorts will appreciate that too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess it's the American nature in me that despite the high hourly price I just feel weird not tipping for a service, but I understand both sides of the argument. 300 dollars is a lot already for just one hour!

[Guest Merlin]

Since the escort is self employed and sets his own fee you should not feel obligated to tip and I don't think most expect it. They do, of course, appreciate it. And remember their income is probably tax free, unlike the rest of us.

[AdamSmith]

Since the escort is self employed and sets his own fee you should not feel obligated to tip and I don't think most expect it. They do, of course, appreciate it. And remember their income is probably tax free, unlike the rest of us.

 

Couple complementary thoughts:

 

1. An exception, as the above implies, would be boys employed by agencies. They do not set their own rates, nor do they get 100% of what you pay. Hardly as wage-oppressed as restaurant wait staff, but still...

 

2. Many (most) certainly do appreciate it, as noted. A tip this time will be remembered next time by anyone worth seeing a 2nd time. What goes around, cums around.

[KMEM]

AS-

 

Only too cute. But, I certainly agree.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[uwsman2]

and another thing...

 

I guess we should also factor in the shelf-life of an escort's career. While they may be pulling in 200 or 250 or 300 or even more for an hour's work, given the nature of the work there is a limit to how many of those hours they can work in a week, a month, a year, without totally burning out, and how many years they can put in before any enthusiasm for the work wears off and they go looking to do something else.

 

Consider by comparison the major league baseball player. If they are good by comparison with their colleagues, they pull in big bucks, but by their late 30s the career is tapering off for most of them. Those big bucks, if properly invested and managed, can provide a good income for a lifetime... But many don't properly invest and manage, and one hears of old retired pro ballplayers scratching along on not very much.

 

Same with escorts, I'd imagine. Some capitalize on their hot years and put things aside for the future. Others live at their margin and when escorting's done are back at ground zero.

 

So although the hourly fee sounds high, the number of hours they can collect that fee in a week, practically speaking, is probably not that high, and they probably also run into fallow times when there are few calls or calls don't turn into paying clients. It would be fascinating to get an honest look into the financial life of the successful male escort.

[Guest greatness]

I totally agree

 

Well said.

 

I guess we should also factor in the shelf-life of an escort's career. While they may be pulling in 200 or 250 or 300 or even more for an hour's work, given the nature of the work there is a limit to how many of those hours they can work in a week, a month, a year, without totally burning out, and how many years they can put in before any enthusiasm for the work wears off and they go looking to do something else.

 

Consider by comparison the major league baseball player. If they are good by comparison with their colleagues, they pull in big bucks, but by their late 30s the career is tapering off for most of them. Those big bucks, if properly invested and managed, can provide a good income for a lifetime... But many don't properly invest and manage, and one hears of old retired pro ballplayers scratching along on not very much.

 

Same with escorts, I'd imagine. Some capitalize on their hot years and put things aside for the future. Others live at their margin and when escorting's done are back at ground zero.

 

So although the hourly fee sounds high, the number of hours they can collect that fee in a week, practically speaking, is probably not that high, and they probably also run into fallow times when there are few calls or calls don't turn into paying clients. It would be fascinating to get an honest look into the financial life of the successful male escort.

[+ purplekow]

I guess we should also factor in the shelf-life of an escort's career. While they may be pulling in 200 or 250 or 300 or even more for an hour's work, given the nature of the work there is a limit to how many of those hours they can work in a week, a month, a year, without totally burning out, and how many years they can put in before any enthusiasm for the work wears off and they go looking to do something else.

 

It must be tough to be young and beautiful and just have so little time to enjoy it. Fortunately in my career I can work endlessly for hundreds of hours per week, year in and year out decade after decade and not age a day. Escorts, make what the market will bear for baring it to bears.

[Guest zipperzone]

I guess we should also factor in the shelf-life of an escort's career. While they may be pulling in 200 or 250 or 300 or even more for an hour's work, given the nature of the work there is a limit to how many of those hours they can work in a week, a month, a year, without totally burning out, and how many years they can put in before any enthusiasm for the work wears off and they go looking to do something else.

 

Yes - let's all feel sorry for the escort with only limited stamina that curtails the number of hours he can work in a week.

 

Let's say for the sake of argument he charges $300 per hr

Let's also say he limits his appointments to two per day

Let's assume he works a 6 day week

$300 X 2 X 6 = $3600 per week.

 

Let's say he takes one month off per year

That leaves 11 months or 48 weeks of earning opportunity

At $3600 per week X 48 weeks, he has the potential to earn $172,800 per year.

 

Let's say he started "working it" at age twenty and goes until age 35.

That's 15 years at $172,800 per year = $2, 592, 000.

 

Now granted he has living expenses to be ducted from that figure. But let's also assume that he is astute enough to invest wisely only 50% of his annual income. Compounded over 15 years the amount could be astronomical.

 

I should be so limited in my earning power.

 

As for the burn-out factor. We should not forget that a goodly percentage of the year he may be in exotic locations at the expense of clients. Such a tough life!

 

I would say his burn-out rate will be no greater than the bank clerk, the accountant, the doctor or any one of a thousand different occupations who have to do the same frigging job day in and day out - and without the luxury of retiring at age 35. These other guys have to work an extra 30 YEARS before they can retire!

 

All in all, I don't think I'll be shedding any tears tonight for the poor escort. I respect what they do, but let's call a spade a spade - it's not that bad a life.

[KMEM]

I think that many escorts have the same problem with handling money that athletes and others have. They are young, have no prior experience in investing or even, dare I say it, making and staying within a budget. However, most are not making enough money to hire a manager as most athletes do. So, guess what, they spend it. When one is 20 I would think that one of the last things on one's mind is retirement.

 

As for the good life, perhaps not every client is so easy to get along with as you are Zipper.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Kevin Slater]

Let's say for the sake of argument he charges $300 per hr

Let's also say he limits his appointments to two per day

Let's assume he works a 6 day week

$300 X 2 X 6 = $3600 per week.

 

Let's say he takes one month off per year

That leaves 11 months or 48 weeks of earning opportunity

At $3600 per week X 48 weeks, he has the potential to earn $172,800 per year.

 

Let's say he started "working it" at age twenty and goes until age 35.

That's 15 years at $172,800 per year = $2, 592, 000.

 

Now granted he has living expenses to be ducted from that figure. But let's also assume that he is astute enough to invest wisely only 50% of his annual income. Compounded over 15 years the amount could be astronomical.

 

Not to hijack a thread (tipping has been discussed ad nauseam on this and many other threads), but I think your numbers are optimistic.

 

It's unusual the escort who would make the same at 20 as he does at 35, but let's run with these numbers.

 

If he's investing 50% of his income, I gotta assume he's paying taxes on it. Otherwise it'd be a clear red flag to the IRS (large deposits without an offsetting tax return).

 

Federal tax (including the employer & employee contribution to social security and medicare) would be $54,713.

 

If he's making 300 an hour, I assume he's in a prime market, let's say NYC ($15,389 in state and city income taxes).

 

That leaves $102,698 after-tax income. Were he to invest 50% of his gross, that's $86,400, leaving him $16,298 for living expenses, which include individual health insurance (ballpark at $500 a month). Fuck! I'd pay $300 just to sit with this guy for an hour and hear how he's socking away 86k while living off the remaining $10,298!

 

Kevin Slater

[Guest zipperzone]

Kevin - my numbers MAY be optomistic. But on the other hand they may be on the low side.

I'm suggesting a 15 yr working period. In some cases it may be much longer.

The smart escorts declare some income - but as it is mostly an all cash business, nothing can make be believe they declare all income.

Their "investments" can be in many different forms. Real Estate is a prime example. Pay little down, have mtg payments covered by renters and sell for profit when the timing is right. This type of investment carries less chance of an IRS audit, I would think.

[Guest greatness]

Zipperzone

 

I know how much a certain escort make and your estimation is indeed optimistic. Remember escorts have to come up with their own health insurance, which is essential. I have seen an escort getting sick and get hospitalized but doctors couldn't figure out what he had. It wasn't HIV or anything. He was a student so he had to give up a semester for that. Some escorts live in an area where there is practically no business so they have to move to an area like NY where there is more traffic. But the cost of living up in NY is very high. A lot of escorts travel to Chicago, New York and DC for that reason not because they like to travel. If the money is so good then why so many hot escorts retire after about 3 years. I don't think they made millions.

 

Kevin - my numbers MAY be optomistic. But on the other hand they may be on the low side.

I'm suggesting a 15 yr working period. In some cases it may be much longer.

The smart escorts declare some income - but as it is mostly an all cash business, nothing can make be believe they declare all income.

Their "investments" can be in many different forms. Real Estate is a prime example. Pay little down, have mtg payments covered by renters and sell for profit when the timing is right. This type of investment carries less chance of an IRS audit, I would think.

[Guest RianB]

Let's say for the sake of argument he charges $300 per hr

Let's also say he limits his appointments to two per day

Let's assume he works a 6 day week

$300 X 2 X 6 = $3600 per week.

 

Let's say he takes one month off per year

That leaves 11 months or 48 weeks of earning opportunity

At $3600 per week X 48 weeks, he has the potential to earn $172,800 per year.

 

Let's say he started "working it" at age twenty and goes until age 35.

That's 15 years at $172,800 per year = $2, 592, 000.

 

LOL, I tried hard not to read this thread having already read the other topic, but I will say in this industry, it don't work like that. I won't 'spill the beans' on my income, but to have it so neatly organized and expect it to happen just like that, week after week, month after month... would just be setting oneself up for disappointment. There would be a slew of things missing with any figure. I dont even see that happening here in America.

 

Fuck! I'd pay $300 just to sit with this guy for an hour and hear how he's socking away 86k while living off the remaining $10,298!

 

Kevin Slater

 

LOL...I think Im going to do the same.

[Guest zipperzone]

I know how much a certain escort make and your estimation is indeed optimistic. Remember escorts have to come up with their own health insurance, which is essential. I have seen an escort getting sick and get hospitalized but doctors couldn't figure out what he had. It wasn't HIV or anything. He was a student so he had to give up a semester for that. Some escorts live in an area where there is practically no business so they have to move to an area like NY where there is more traffic. But the cost of living up in NY is very high. A lot of escorts travel to Chicago, New York and DC for that reason not because they like to travel. If the money is so good then why so many hot escorts retire after about 3 years. I don't think they made millions.

 

Greatness: Of course there are many escorts who make little - probably just enough to get by on. By the same token there are many Realtors who can't even make their car payments and others who make a million per year.

 

There are good, bad and marginal in every occupation. One can always find examples to refute what I was projecting. But I still believe that a top escort who is willing to ply his craft with vigor and astuteness can do very well for himself.

[uwsman2]

astronomical numbers

 

I doubt many escorts have a 15 year career

I doubt many 300 an hour escorts average two sessions a day six days a week, and most escorts charge less than that per hour

Any day they take off they make nothing (no salaries here, just hourly fee)

Traveling escorts, of course, aren't making money during their travel time

Any time they get sick, there is no income

Others have commented on tax issues

In other words, I think that attempt to estimate escort income is wildly over-optimistic

[+ g56whiz]

In other words, I think that attempt to estimate escort income is wildly over-optimistic

 

You're absolutely correct (of course); but in an arena that feasts on fantasy, a realist is the least appreciated participant.

[Guest greatness]

That's true

 

I see your point. I have seen some escorts do well and do make that much a year. However, they fluctuate and they also have bad times too. I've never seen a millionaire escort just by escorting. Some invest well and make good money out if though.

 

There are good, bad and marginal in every occupation. One can always find examples to refute what I was projecting. But I still believe that a top escort who is willing to ply his craft with vigor and astuteness can do very well for himself.