am i a crackwhore?

[+ Charlie]

I was in a very similar position when I graduated from college--I could have gone to any graduate school I chose, and my advisors were pushing me to go to Yale, which was the best in my field. Being young and foolish, I chose instead to go to a good school in the city I wanted to live in. (Interestingly, I, too, considered Tulane because I thought it would be fun to live in NO, but the scholar who had tried to lure me to Tulane immediately left to take an Ivy League position, which revealed that he really thought Tulane was only good as a stepping stone to better places.) As could have been predicted, I spent more time enjoying the social life of the city than working hard on my education, and just scraped by to get the degree. I have had a satisfying career and a happy life, but at the price of many lost options.

 

If I had it to do over, I would probably have postponed the sex and good times for a couple of years and gone to Yale, where I would have been forced by the dreariness of New Haven to really focus on academic work and establish a solid base for a fast track career. But there is no such thing as a guarantee that taking a certain path in life will lead to a result that will satisfy anyone. Ultimately, you have to go with what feels right for you, and be willing to live with the effects of your own decision, whatever they may be.

[Guest regulation]

>

>>For some reason, I don't know exactly why, I have trouble

>>believing that you are capable of putting up with that

>>existence for seven or eight years.

>

>whoa!

 

I'm not sure what "whoa" means in this context. If it means you haven't realized that being an associate at a top firm is like boot camp except that it lasts for eight years instead of eight weeks, there's no shame in that. There are plenty of kids who still don't understand it even in their last year of law school when they've already had a lot more exposure to that world than you have. Some never realize it until they actually get there and experience it for themselves. As I believe Chazzz mentions below, it's a process in which the firm weeds out people in each entering class month by month and year by year by subjecting them to intense pressure of various kinds. Only a very small percentage survive to make partner and get the really big bucks. The members of each entering class in each big Wall Street firm are people with academic records every bit as good as yours or better. None of them starts out believing he won't make it to the top because each of them has succeeded at everything he's ever done in the past. But most of them don't make it. A word to the wise.

 

>when have i ever accepted money for sex?

 

No one reading your posts and reviews on this site would be in any doubt about it.

 

 

>EVERYTHING (cell phone, website, bank account, etc)

>connected with ESCORTING (which is perfectly legal) is in

>the name of my ex.

 

So it's a total secret -- except that there is someone else who knows all about it. Uh huh.

 

 

>my face is nowhere to be found on the

>net. i've talked with several people (from the NSA to K

>street firms) and they say my level of exposure is safe.

 

Then you have nothing to worry about. Neither do they, of course, since it isn't their asses on the line. :-)

 

>i've already weighed that into the equation.

 

Then go for it.

[liubit]

Mediocrity

 

>:-) a 178 isn't mediochre anywhere :-)

 

It's medioC-R-E, and not medioC-H-R-E, pumpkin! }> }> }> }>

 

I just couldn't resist correcting one of the rare mistakes of the great Ethan... :* :* :*

[Traveller]

RE: not to shock you all, but...

 

>traveller, any thoughts?

 

What reg said about the psychological abuse is right on; especially as all you'll be is a glorified proof-reader. You will be at the bottom of the food chain for the first years working in a large firm. To get there in the first place, you've got to go to top schools and make the grades; unless, of course, you want to work for a tree-hugger organization or some other type of do-gooder outfit - which doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Later.

 

PS. Phage dude, just for you, Klaus - who's Brazilian - looks just like the pic. His weight, however, is more like 200 lbs. Nice big cock; and for a bi guy, like Marcel, he's an excellent kisser and plows like a champion. I'm going to take another test drive this week before submitting a review; but this one could become one of my new favorites. I'm not sure if the price he charges increases with the John's age, but my rate was nowhere near the one stated in the review.

[Guest deeez nuuuts]

how about taking a year or two off to hang out in new orleans or miami instead (especially if you're feeling burnt out at all)? seems like you could escort to raise lots of money to pay for school in the meantime, and in the process maybe get a sense of whether these are cities that feel like home or just nice places to spend time for awhile. then, whenever you get the itch to buckle down again, go for the best -- suck it up and deal with the cold in new haven, knowing that you've had a little time to relax and have fun in cities you dug.

 

it just seems to me like the law is an awfully careerist-oriented path to tamper with by getting a possibly inferior education and almost certainly fewer useful connections in a more fun city. why not have fun for awhile, and then, when it's time to focus, focus on the best?

 

just a thought. best of luck and much happiness to you whatever you decide.

 

sincerely yours,

 

deeez nuuuts

[Guest DCeBOY]

you're right

 

the funny thing here is:

that's a word i manage to put into EVERY single paper i write, but i always spell it with the H. not a single professor has ever corrected it. maybe they're afraid of me? ;-)

 

good job. i don't claim to be perfect, just better. (kidding!)

[Guest DCeBOY]

>I'm not sure what "whoa" means in this context.

 

it means what it always means. have you never ridden a horse?

 

 

>If it means

>you haven't realized that being an associate at a top firm

>is like boot camp except that it lasts for eight years

>instead of eight weeks, there's no shame in that.

 

what you're saying is perfectly true. i've considered the fact. there are several ameliorating factors, but i don't want to seem like i'm arguing.

 

>The members of each entering class in each big Wall

>Street firm are people with academic records every bit as

>good as yours or better.

 

not better, i assure you. but, at least i'll be in good company. you folks all seem to think that i've decided that i'm moving to new york to work for the most prestigious firm around. you ignore the fact that i've said that there are several options. big new york firm is just one alternative to processing visa apps in sierra leone.

 

>>when have i ever accepted money for sex?

>

>No one reading your posts and reviews on this site would be

>in any doubt about it.

 

when? since you're so certain of it, please give me an exact day & time. of course, i suspect that rather than admit that i have a valid point, you'll give the date of a review. i have, however, never admitted to sex for pay. in fact, i've never done such a thing.

 

>>EVERYTHING (cell phone, website, bank account, etc)

>>connected with ESCORTING (which is perfectly legal) is in

>>the name of my ex.

>

>So it's a total secret -- except that there is someone else

>who knows all about it. Uh huh.

 

actually, absolutely NO ONE other than myself knows ALL about it. i understand & appreciate your words of caution though.

 

>Then go for it.

 

somehow, people are forgetting the purpose of the original post. i'm not asking "should i go to law school?" because i've decided that question.

[Guest DCeBOY]

thanks rush. my heart says miami, but... it may just be time to listen to my head.

[Guest DCeBOY]

hey chaz :-) thanks.

i appreciate you taking the time to think about & answer my question.

since i'm not gunning to be a litigator (or perhaps even work for a big firm), getting an advanced degree in diplomacy or an MPA in international relations will help me avoid SOME (no, i don't expect to avoid all of it) of the grunt work. likewise, there are places like the UN, OAS, NATO (yes, i've been told i can handle the security clearance), etc where i can work as well.

 

thanks everyone who chose to reply.

[Guest DCeBOY]

not a bad suggestion, although i lessen my attractiveness to yale if i wait a year after getting the BAs (i'm getting 2 separate degrees because GW wouldn't let me double major across schools), especially if i don't do some serious interning or volunteering. so... i've got a lot to consider. :-)

[Guest RushNY]

Re:the battle between head and heart about Miami,from what i remember from a previous post about your liking for Latin men i think its probably another large organ of your body you might be listening to :7

[Guest DCeBOY]

you're probably right!

 

:-)

[+ Axiom2001]

DC, your thread's title was intriguing. I had no idea what I was reading until I purused your hits. The last respondent "hit it on the head" if that is the response about on which head you're perhaps relying.

 

Since the opportunity is right-- "go for it"! Go to Yale or Harvard if and when accepted. Excellent chances should not be considered as a fly-by-night proposition. Get degree in hand then decide where to practice.

 

As a teacher who finds himself advising the young lads and ladies, I appreciate you came to this site to seek advice from those of us who have supposedly experienced the world! I extend the best to you in your impending endeavor.

[Guest ChefsSaltyChocBalls]

The short answer to the "subject line" question is, of course, YES. It's just that you're a buttcrackwhore, and a damned good one if your reviews are to be believed.

 

Seriously, as one who went directly from undergrad to grad school and have regretted it ever since, I would suggest you seriously consider taking some time off to consider your options. How much do you really know about your chosen career? Have you family members or friends in the field? Have you talked at length with any of them about their level of career satisfaction?

 

Having an aptitude for and finding satisfaction in the study of a particular art or science is no guarantee that you'll like working in that field. There is such a drastic difference between academia and practice that many, if not most professionals are soon disillusioned by their career choices. I have one brother and several friends who are scum-bag lawyers^^ i mean attorneys, and they all hate it. Your mileage may vary, but once you head down this path, it's going to be doubly hard to go back.

 

ps. if you do choose to go on sabbatical for a year or two, and then decide to apply to law school, it probably isn't a good idea to list "manwhore" as your occupation.

 

pps. isn't there a decent law school in Los Angeles? some of us who don't get back east very often might enjoy helping you do your homework.

[Guest DCeBOY]

well, i've talked to some folks i know in the legal field. i've talked to some people i know at the state department. since you guys (m4m readers) come from ALL kinds of different backgrounds and experiences, i wanted to see what you guys had to say.

 

i'm glad i posted.

[Guest DCeBOY]

lol... "manwhore"

i love it. that's going to be the title of my application essay, i think

[Guest regulation]

>>I'm not sure what "whoa" means in this context.

>

>it means what it always means. have you never ridden a

>horse?

 

I've done it a great deal more often than you have, but since horses don't have access to this message board it's a rather inappropriate locution here.

 

 

>>The members of each entering class in each big Wall

>>Street firm are people with academic records every bit as

>>good as yours or better.

>

>not better, i assure you.

 

Yes, better. My academic record is better than yours, and I know quite a few people who could say the same. There's nothing unusual about that, especially in these days of rampant grade inflation.

 

 

>but, at least i'll be in good

>company. you folks all seem to think that i've decided that

>i'm moving to new york to work for the most prestigious firm

>around. you ignore the fact that i've said that there are

>several options. big new york firm is just one alternative

>to processing visa apps in sierra leone.

 

It's you who are ignoring the point I made in my post. I'll restate it in simpler terms: unless you are planning to try for a position with one of the top Wall Street firms, it doesn't make sense for you to go to an Ivy League law school if you would really prefer to live in New Orleans or Miami. You don't need to go to Harvard or Yale in order to get a job at a good firm in a second-tier city like that. Just check out the bios of the most recent hires at the big firms in those cities in Martindale and you will see that is true. So if that's all you want, there is no need for you to commit to spend three years going to school in a city where you would rather not live.

 

>>when have i ever accepted money for sex?

>>

>>No one reading your posts and reviews on this site would be

>>in any doubt about it.

>

>when? since you're so certain of it, please give me an exact

>day & time. of course, i suspect that rather than admit that

>i have a valid point, you'll give the date of a review. i

>have, however, never admitted to sex for pay. in fact, i've

>never done such a thing.

 

I can assure you that not even the youngest, greenest prosecutor I know would have the slightest difficulty in persuading a jury to convict you based on the information on this site and a few other details that are easily obtainable with a subpoena. If you think otherwise, you are living in a fantasy world.

 

>actually, absolutely NO ONE other than myself knows ALL

>about it. i understand & appreciate your words of caution

>though.

 

You are quite welcome.

 

>somehow, people are forgetting the purpose of the original

>post. i'm not asking "should i go to law school?" because

>i've decided that question.

 

You are confusing my post with someone else's. I have never questioned your desire to go to law school, I have merely tried to address your question whether it makes sense for you to go to school in a city that is other than one in which you would prefer to live. To recap, unless you are planning to try for a job in one of the top Wall Street firms, the answer is "No, it doesn't."

[Guest Charon]

My younger brother got his JD from Tulane and didn't have any trouble landing a job with one of the big NYC firms. YMMV.

[Guest DCeBOY]

you presume way too much. how the fuck would you ahve any idea how often i ride? ugh... how rude!

 

you are just trying to bait me into some bitter flame war. i'm not doing it this time. since you're so conviced that you're better than i am, go ahead & continue to delude yourself.

 

i'll not respond to anything else you say in this thread.

[Guest XratXpoisonX]

>you're an ass.

 

Well, that's not exactly the same words YOU used in New Orleans a few years ago; in fact, if memory serves me correct you said "You have a really hot ass" or something to that effect (check with *Scott* since I don't remember your words verbatim).

 

In any event, I still stand by my original post, in that I've never seen you do crack (perhaps other drugs considering your physical condition and emotional state), but any way you interpret it *Ethan* you're still, as you say it, a "whore".

 

Care to use more of your legalize to refute this, or, you can just use more of those cheap words YOU might have learned while giving blow jobs outside of certain New Orleans nightclubs (as you have previously accused JacobNO of doing).

 

Study hard buddy; it's a long way from here to there.

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[Guest Chazzz69]

Ethan, thanks for the nice words. :-)

 

Now, when it comes to that security clearance, obviously you leave off the part time career as a "manwhore". But if they find out, and they can, don't lie about it. A buddy (he works for a security agency) of mine says its the lie that gets 'em every time. If they ask you better tell (pun intended) however, if they don't you certainly don't volunteer either.

 

My buddy is gay, lives with a guy, they have a place in West Virginia for the weekends, the whole queer nine yards so to speak. He got a security clearance and knows that they could come after him any time. He still lives a somewhat open life and is sure his phone is tapped from time to time and his superiors know he's gay.

 

I speculate that he works counter intelligence. He will only admit to working for a security agency, and that's because we knew each other before he got the job so I was aware of his career aspirations.

 

But if you go to DOS (Department of State for those outside the Beltway) there are so many closet cases there you should not have to worry. Foggy Bottom has always had that reputation and its rather funny to me. (If your dick is a big as the photo indicates you should have no problem moving up DOS. }>

 

Recently George W. Bush appointed an ambassdor to Romania who is gay. At least I think it was Romania, I can't remember for sure. Colin Powell has been very open in acknowledging gay partners of DOS employees.

 

One thing to watch out for at DOS, OAS, and a few of the other international organizations is snobbery. I am sure you may be aware of this. But a good deal of the first rate assignments go to people who have family connections.

 

I am not talking about the Scheudle C political appointees. I mean people who's families have money, OLD money. Brought it over on the Mayflower. They belong to the Society of the Cincinnati and many other "blue blood" organizations. They tend to maintain the class structure to their benefit if you know what I mean. However, merit is a big deal at DOS and if you work your ass off you will go far in short order. Just be prepared for that first assignment to be in some hell hole like Sierra Leone.

 

If you go the law firm route, be prepared to get married. To a female. Its the rare partner who is not married. Divorced, yes - but not confirmed batchelor status. If you look at any major law firm you will do well to find a gay lawyer in the upper echelons. Sad but true fact. Another reason why I decided not to go the major firm route, I refused to make such a compromise.

 

Just a few thoughts, hope they help.

 

Chazzz

[trilingual]

Lots of impressive advice on this topic! My several cents worth:

 

In another existence I thought I wanted to be a lawyer. Part of that illusion involved law school in New Orleans (Loyola, because I needed to put myself through by working days and taking classes at night. Loyola was the only night law school in N.O.) I ended up changing my mind about getting a law degree, but certainly found everything I learned in law school useful. The critical/analytical skills I gained in law school have been invaluable, no matter what work I found myself doing later in life.

 

If you're interested in international trade and commerce (as opposed to work in international organizations) Tulane could be an excellent choice. An awfully large part of the world operates under the civil law system, which is also the basis of the legal system in Louisiana. At Tulane you'll learn about both the civil and common law systems, and you'll be in a much better situation to understand commercial and private law in other countries than if you go to a strictly common law school. Even an excellent one like Yale. Also, if you think you would like living in New Orleans and being involved in law, you can hardly avoid going to a Louisiana law school, given the unique legal system.

 

However, if your goal isn't to work in a big name NY or DC law firm, and you're more interested in settling in New Orleans or South Florida, going to law school there makes excellent sense. You'll build a network of friends and acquaintances in law school there who will go on to occupy positions in the top local law firms, the prosecutors offices, local and state government, etc. "Who you know" is important no matter where you live. If those are the places you want to live, then going to law school there is a way to start becoming a part of the local landscape, so to speak. By the time you graduate you'll be a long way towards being part of the community and feeling like you "belong." On the other hand, if you find later on that those aren't the places you want to spend the rest of your life you won't be any the worse for wear. Both Tulane and Miami are decent schools, you'll get a good legal education at either one, and you shouldn't have any big problems looking for work elsewhere with academic credentials from there.

 

Someplace you may not have considered, if you're interested in the civil/common law compare and contrast course: McGill in Montreal. Probably less expensive than Yale, Tulane or Miami would be. It's an excellent school, and they used to have a program in which you could get both civil and common law degrees by spending an extra year. Montreal is colder than hell in the winter, of course, but it's such a festive place you'll hardly pay much attention to the weather! Of course, if you decide on that, you will absolutely have to speak French, so start now and plan to take some intensive summer conversation courses in Quebec (not France) so you can understand the language and the local accent, which is very different from Parisian! Living in Montreal not being able to speak French can be a lonely proposition. But once you become part of the local scene, it's a truly great place to live.

 

As for the escort work/security issues: The odds of being asked if you've ever worked as a male whore are probably even less likely than winning the Powerball! Presumably most of your friends and family don't know about your extra-curricular activity. When you apply for one of those jobs you're given a form to fill out listing contacts for the investigators to interview. List people who don't know you're an escort. THIS IS IMPORTANT: The investigators will ask the people you've listed if there's anyone else they should interview. Explain to your friends that they're likely to be contacted for a security check interview, and if they're asked to give the names of anyone else who should be interviewed to give the names of John Doe and Jane Roe (who are already on the list). In other words, be sure you close the interview loop so the investigator keeps getting referred back to the same people, none of whom can disclose anything damaging about your private life. Take this little piece of advice from an about-to-be-retired fed whose been there/done that!

[Guest DCeBOY]

thanks, tri :-)

 

>I ended up changing my mind about

>getting a law degree, but certainly found everything I

>learned in law school useful.

 

i thought about that as well. even if i don't practice & i don't NECESSARILY need a law degree, law school will stand me well.

 

>If you're interested in international trade and commerce (as

>opposed to work in international organizations) Tulane could

>be an excellent choice.

 

more into international law in the sense of law among states.

 

>At Tulane you'll learn

>about both the civil and common law systems, and you'll be

>in a much better situation to understand commercial and

>private law in other countries than if you go to a strictly

>common law school.

 

yep!

 

>Also,

>if you think you would like living in New Orleans and being

>involved in law, you can hardly avoid going to a Louisiana

>law school, given the unique legal system.

 

true, and in spite of my stalker in NO, i could see myself living there at SOME point. (actually, i'll likely inherit some land in & around the city.)

 

>Someplace you may not have considered, if you're interested

>in the civil/common law compare and contrast course: McGill

>in Montreal.

 

funny that you mention mcgill. i think montreal is entirely too cold for me, but, i wonder about UBC, in vancouver. i know i like vancouver, and it is the warmest place in canada. i may check into it. perhaps i should get in touch with esc-tracker about canadian rules on international students.

 

>As for the escort work/security issues: The odds of being

>asked if you've ever worked as a male whore are probably

>even less likely than winning the Powerball!

 

precisely! ;-)

 

>Presumably

>most of your friends and family don't know about your

>extra-curricular activity.

 

none know. even the ex doesn't have all the info. i've got a couple of escort friends who know.

 

>Take this little

>piece of advice from an about-to-be-retired fed whose been

>there/done that!

 

great advice.

i'd really like to thank you & the others who have given your time & thought. i didn't reply to all of the things you said, but i will take everything into consideration.

 

thanks again

[Guest regulation]

>you presume way too much. how the fuck would you ahve any

>idea how often i ride? ugh... how rude!

>

>you are just trying to bait me into some bitter flame war.

>i'm not doing it this time. since you're so conviced that

>you're better than i am, go ahead & continue to delude

>yourself.

>

>i'll not respond to anything else you say in this thread.

 

I'm sorry to see that you're reverting to the same sort of childish behavior that you've often displayed on this board in the past. That is one of several reasons why I believe you will not find success working at a law firm. In the real world, and especially in the legal profession, putting your hands over your ears and saying "La, la, la, I can't hear you anymore!" when someone says something you don't like simply doesn't work. Get rid of such childish habits or start looking at a different career.

[+ Charlie]

Forget the improbable courtroom drama--despite their popularity on TV shows, trials are not the way most issues get resolved in the real world. A more likely scenario is that if you become enough of a public figure, some unhappy ex-client/ex-lover/rival will expose you in a public medium, which can damage a career as much as a legal procedure. Or said person may privately pass information to those who are in a position to quietly stall or sidetrack your career path, without your even knowing it. No private firm or government agency wants to be associated with someone who can potentially embarrass them; they will ignore your past as long as they can if you are valuable to them, but once you are a liability they will not protect you. If you think your past "private" sexual activity will always be safely concealed, say hello to some formerly obscure priests who thought the same.

 

On the other hand, when I was your age one could be sent to prison for mailing the picture that you casually attach to your posts here, so who knows? Perhaps by the time you're ready for Senate confirmation hearings, having worked as a male prostitute in college will carry no more stigma than having worked as a waiter.