What's Up With The Raising of Prices by Gaiety Dancers ???

[noviceny]

For the past three weeks, I have been quoted $250 by almost every dancer I approached. I have only started going to the Gaiety this summer/fall, but Im pretty sure that $200 was the going rate, especially for less known personalities. I have been quoted this rate by Canadians, Argentinians and the USA guys. Last night was the clincher when a dancer (who is not a porn star or known personality) quoted $300. BTW, only one person (in the past three weeks) lowered their price to $200.

 

Now I know that this is a business, but isnt there any kind of code here ? Actually, I think I have figured out the code. Many of these dancers are straight and totally in it for the money...which is all good. The law of supply and demand makes them very much in demand, and they know they can make a shitload of money in this field. However, it may be time for me to rethink hiring from the Gaiety since I believe that I am being taken advantage of.

 

It has been a rarity that my sessions have been 45 minutes...they are usually less. Yes, the guys were nice...yes the guys were hot...yes the guys seemed honest....however at the end of the night, the rate was still $250 and it was for about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. It doesnt matter that Im nice, respectful, not very demanding at all (mostly worship situations).

 

The guys are always really nice, but even the nicest ones do not seem to be committed to giving an hour for the increasing rate. There has been one case when I hired from the Gaiety, where the guy gave me the full hour. I realize that I could be more forceful and make sure that they give me an hour. I probably should do this, but why should I have to fight for something that I am paying for ?

 

Of course, the answer for me is clear. Stop hiring from the Gaiety or make sure that I will get a full hour before hand. However, I feel that if I have to make sure that someone is fair, then I probably dont want to get with that person anyway. I wind up feeling stupid (and sometimes like shit) when I am taken advantage of like that. My fault though for thinking that there would be respect out there. After all, Im sure escorts deal with unfair, pushy, disrespectful clients all the time. However, I should not be paying to be taken advantage of, so I have a decision to make. May just go with ads of those who have been reviewed and with whom I have spoken.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Just Say No!!

 

Unlike most other situations the going rate at the Gaiety is really set by the clients. These dancers spend money to come from out of town, stay at a hotel and eat out. They HAVE to make money in order to make trip expenses. Few of these guys advertise in the community at large thus most are dependent on the gaiety for their business. If there are no takers at $250 then they will lower their rate or take a big loss. It is as simple as that. Ultimately their only choice in this set-up is to make the decision to visit or not to visit. So if the rates are up look at look at the guy in the next seat. The dancers will ask what the market will bear.

[noviceny]

RE: Just Say No!!

 

Very, very true ... In talking to one of the dancers, it was apparent that many of these guys are loaded and an extra $50 is nothing to them.

I will just say no...the extra $50 is really not worth it to me. Im not getting anything extra

[Holden]

RE: Just Say No!!

 

"If there are no takers at $250 then they will lower their rate or take a big loss. It is as simple as that."

 

EXACTLY. However, there will ALWAYS be takers...there are suckers out there who will pay whatever the asking price is. They see a big dick and they just "HAVE TO HAVE IT". The dancers would ask $500 and the suckers will pay it. Until they wake up and realize that they are just being taken advantage of (they realize it and still continue) the scam of big bucks for little time with mostly no action will just continue.

[Boston Guy]

For the most part, I gave up on the Gaiety several years ago. The problems you identify -- high prices, guys who offer very short sessions because they want to get back to the bar, "gay for pay", etc. -- were just as rampant then as now.

 

On the rare occasion that I go back, I never pay more than $200. Period. End of story.

 

If a dancer asks for more, I politely state the I simply don't pay more than $200. I tell them I respect their decision to set their price at what they think is the right level but, based on the price, we simply won't be able to get together. You'd be amazed how many guys will come back to $200 after a dance or two with no other action. As TY said above, they have to make money each day or they stand to lose their travel expenses.

 

Do I feel like I'm taking advantage of them? Not at all. I have a certain price I'm willing to pay for a service. If a service provider wants to offer the service at a price I'm willing to pay, that's great. If not, I assume that he has set his prices on the basis of what the market will bear for what he's offering and expect that he will be just fine.

 

On the other hand, if a dancer holds out for $250, feeling that $200 is not enough compensation for 45 minutes of "work", and then doesn't get any takers, he'll quickly learn about supply and demand. If he does get takers at his asked-for price, more power to him. It's pretty pure economics in action.

 

BG

[tonytender]

MY FEELINGS!

 

Let the idiots who want to pay 250-300+ go.

 

I was at the G this afternoon and overheard few of the dancers say, "this week is real slow for privates."

 

I believe this can be a conspiracy going on here amongst the dancers this week. I have never scene all dancers at once raise their price like this.

 

Patrons should hold back for the lower price.

 

Patrons say this, " Well, if you are interested in a private for 200 give me a call later."

 

Be patient, 9 out of 10 will make later arrangements with you. When it gets slow for the boys, you will notice they call their regular customers offering deals of a lifetime. Just make yourself accessible for a private when the dancer gets back to you.

 

Trust TT.....this will work! Be patient. We are the people that dictate the demand and price.

 

The dancer might get a couple of patrons paying through the nose 250-350, but the dancers are loosing much more since their volume clients disappeared! :7

[woop4me2]

Paul is from the Miami area.

 

I had the pleasure of doing a private with him before the G crowd sets in. He is a friend of JD who will be dancing on Monday for all next week.

 

Paul is a very fun happy guy. His privates are really sexual. I would give him a **** TT rating if that is the measuring standard these days.

 

He takes his time and likes to get to know you before you dive in and enjoy. He is not a body builder by no means but slender with a 6" fat cock. He likes his ass licked and fondled as far as your straight dancer goes. He gets into it more so than your normal straight dancer I should say. or maybe he pretends to enjoy it very well. Great interaction during his performance.

 

He's a winner for privates.

 

Definitely would call him back for second helpings.

 

I am repeating my review of Paul on this string.

See Paul for your money's worth.

HE ONLY CHARGES $200.00

[Luv2play]

I have a somewhat different take on the situation. Maybe you haven't noticed but the US$ is crashing these days on international currency markets. In terms of internationally traded goods and services, a US buck just doesn't go as far as it once did (like 6 months ago!).

 

A lot of these dancers are international, quite a few from Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc. In terms of the buying power of the US$, it has gone down over 30 per cent in a matter of a year and a half. When these guys come back to Canada to spend their earnings, it's less than what they had last year for the same amount of work, a lot less.

 

Going from $200 to $250 just makes up the difference, but won't if the greenback continues to slide. In that case, you may be looking at $300 privates in the not-too-distant future. Something to think about! :o

[woop4me2]

>A lot of these dancers are international, quite a few from

>Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc. In terms of the buying power of

>the US$, it has gone down over 30 per cent in a matter of a

>year and a half. When these guys come back to Canada to spend

>their earnings, it's less than what they had last year for the

>same amount of work, a lot less.

>

>Going from $200 to $250 just makes up the difference, but

>won't if the greenback continues to slide. In that case, you

>may be looking at $300 privates in the not-too-distant future.

>Something to think about! :o

 

No need to think about it. Privates for 300. I rather jerk off and watch porn.

This is the USA. The dancers can try to get what the market can take. I do not see many that are going to pay that increase in my opinion. Wish them the best.

 

Then you are saying that the USA dancers should charge less?

 

Cum cum now or later for $400 :+

[hed4str8]

This $250-as-standard-rate business has been going on for years, long before the US dollar started to lose buying power in Canada. That's the first reason why it's silly for our charming visitors from up North to use it now as a justification for that hefty asking price.

 

The second reason is that there was never any quid for the quo back in the days when a US dollar was worth $1.60 or more up there. New Yorkers who made the Montreal pilgrimage expecting to take a Stock or Campus dancer back to the Gouverneurs for significantly less than what it would cost in Manhattan were soon cured of their naivete. Far from going at bargain rates, dancers would UP their regular hometown fee to make sure the US client was STILL paying a l'americaine--or even more.

 

At the Gaiety, $250 is often the standard ASKING price, perhaps more often now than in years past--but hearing a dancer use that gambit should come as no surprise to any Gaiety regular. And, as many have already attested, it doesn't take much to get it down to $200--again, for all the supply/demand reasons cited above.

 

But when you're talking $300, the context changes: the discussion then moves from standard practice to a plane of almost total subjectivity--as regards BOTH buyer and seller. The seller who asks (and sticks to) that fee probably has good reason to think he's 'worth' it. Time and traffic have shown him that enough clients will agree with his self-assessment to make up for the many, many more who won't. The buyer who is able and willing to pay that fee (provided he's not just an innocent with too much money in his pocket) is usually very strongly--almost obsessively--motivated to spring for it. And that's because he knows that the dancer is uniquely equipped to give him precisely what he wants. (He may not LIKE paying out $300, but he knows he won't feel ripped off afterward.)

 

My handle already tells you much of what I'm about. (To which add that I'm a size queen second to none--with a decided preference for uncut meat.) Given that, there's only one dancer on the Gaiety scene these days who's 'uniquely equipped' to give me $300 worth of precisely what I want. With all others, $200 is the most I'll pay--though, if a sufficiently impressive newcomer should prove clever (and lucky) enough to beat me at the waiting game, I MIGHT consider conceding the extra $50.

 

However, all this talk about 'holding the line' and 'standing together' to fight price-gouging in the sex business is quite pointless. As has been pointed out (and proven) many times already, the market (and ALL the factors that figure in it) will ineluctably decide the issue. And probably--let me cheerfully add--in favor of the buyer!

[Luv2play]

I was only half kidding when I made my post about the value of the US$. However, what is true is that for those US players who still visit Montreal (and there seem to be fewer as the greenback declines in purchasing power), using the US$ to pay dancers buys less than what it used to.

 

The dancers are only too aware that when they change the money into Canadian dollars, they are getting a lot less. It wasn't that long ago when $1.00 US would give them $1.50 or more Canadian and now it is less than $1.20. There is a sign above the bar at Campus that changes as the US$ declines (the other day it was 20% on US$). This, I expect, will change again as it is quickly becoming out-of-date.

 

All of this is good news for Canadian clients, however, as the price pressures are easing on us as we compete for the dancers' attentions with our newly invigorated dollars! }(

[samwhygy]

Oh the fun i used to have in the back room for $40. But that was then and this is now. When the back room closed I paid $70 for my first hotel private. I saw one dancer steadily at a rate of $100. My how things have changed.

[Luv2play]

I've been to G several times but only in the last couple of years. Where was this infamous backroom and how private was it? From some other references I gather it was more like a changing room, is that right? And what kind of action was possible in such a setting? As usual, prurient minds want to know... :+

[Holden]

"No need to think about it. Privates for 300. I rather jerk off and watch porn."

 

Isn't that what you end up doing even if you pay the requested $300? You may not watch porn but you are just watching up close the "dancer"...he rarely does it to you does he?

[hed4str8]

What's all this 'rather jerk off' and 'watching up close' talk about? Some johns want to suck cock, you know.

 

I must say, I never understood why anyone--knowing full well that a Gaiety dancer is genuinely straight--would expect (or even want) him to get huggy and kissy and willing to suck cock (and Lord knows what else) if it's truly against his natural inclinations and desires. Just because he's getting paid to participate in gay sex doesn't mean he should pretend that doing something repellent to him is pleasurable, does it? But I get the feeling that many johns expect this. To me, that's more like an attempt to humiliate someone than to have a good time with him in a mutually pleasurable way.

 

If real, truly motivated 'interactivity' is what you're after, why not just stick to hiring guys you know are gay?

 

I don't want to offend anyone by pointing this out. Yet it's an issue that underlies so much discontent on the part of clients--but is seldom, if ever, candidly discussed.

[woop4me2]

>What's all this 'rather jerk off' and 'watching up close'

>talk about? Some johns want to suck cock, you know.

>

>I must say, I never understood why anyone--knowing full well

>that a Gaiety dancer is genuinely straight--would expect (or

>even want) him to get huggy and kissy and willing to suck cock

>(and Lord knows what else) if it's truly against his natural

>inclinations and desires. Just because he's getting paid to

>participate in gay sex doesn't mean he should pretend that

>doing something repellent to him is pleasurable, does it? But

>I get the feeling that many johns expect this. To me, that's

>more like an attempt to humiliate someone than to have a good

>time with him in a mutually pleasurable way.

>

>If real, truly motivated 'interactivity' is what you're after,

>why not just stick to hiring guys you know are gay?

>

>I don't want to offend anyone by pointing this out. Yet it's

>an issue that underlies so much discontent on the part of

>clients--but is seldom, if ever, candidly discussed.

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

The pricing is what concerns me. I would not have anything to do with a dancer if he was not straight. No huggy or kissy for me except when he bends over then I will huggy and kissy his ass no problem.:9

[Cooper]

RE: Sex for $$$$

 

I can see hed's point, but I don't agree with him. When a dancer (gay or straight) performs at the G he knows exactly what's expected of him. No one is forcing him to take this job and many escorts choose not to work in this type of venue. If a dancer is repulsed by interacting with gay men, then simply don't put yourself up for sale... The point that a client should seek a gay escort to find interaction is ridiculous. Gay escorts have their preferences too, and not every client is their cup of tea.

 

If someone is simply satisfied by paying $300 to suck a big dick, then go for it, but to imply that dancer shouldn't be interactive because he's straight is wrong. What should be stated is that each dancer offers certain services which they are comfortable with and it's up to the client to find out from the dancer what they are before leaving the lounge. This way no one will be disappointed.

 

This thread is about the rising cost of a G-private. I too hear more and more dancers asking $250 and find it hard to believe that anyone would pay that kind of money without first trying to negociate. When I heard that Vince was asking $300, I was surprised, but more surprising is that clients are willing to pay it. Hey, it's your money.

[hed4str8]

RE: Sex for $$$$

 

I don't think there's as much disagreement between us as you might think, Coop.

 

Maybe the problem really revolves around what 'interaction' means. Because the possibilities are as many and varied as the guys who use the word, there's bound to be a good deal of confusion in rating Gaiety dancers and how well or badly they perform in privates. Compounding the problem is the restraint most people show in talking about specific sexual acts. While this sort of discretion is usually a good thing, it's not very helpful in this sort discussion.

 

But, as Cooper says, we're talking fees at the moment, and while the interactivity factor applies here, sorting out the semantic mixups involved is really a topic for another thread.

 

But before dropping the subject, let me clarify one thing. I never meant to imply that a straight escort shouldn't be interactive(whatever that may mean) with gay men to whom he's hiring himself out. My puzzlement was at gay men WANTING a straight guy to do things that are a real turn-off to him, even though he's being offered money to do them.

 

And now I HAVE to be specific.

 

If a straight guy doesn't suck cock in his private life (and is therefore unlikely to be any good at it), why would you want him to suck yours? Kissing, hugging and other displays of 'affection' (however feigned) might be another matter entirely. But to be perfectly honest, I can't imagine wanting to be accorded this kind of bought 'affection' from anyone.

 

Now maybe this is because my real and abiding pleasure in sex (even bought sex) is to pleasure my partner. In effect, HIS pleasure is my pleasure.

 

Perhaps my saying this will evoke shrieks of horror and/or derision: "What? You're going to try to give some straight guy the best blowjob he's ever had in his life--and then give him $300 on top of it?" Well, yes. If that's the only way I can have sex with him--yes. And only I can say whether the experience was 'worth it'--to ME.

[noviceny]

RE: Sex for $$$$

 

Hed,

 

I totally agree. This post has been very helpful to me, being fairly new to the game and not knowing anything about prices, etc. I didnt even know that the majority of the dancers at the Gaiety were straight until the second or third time I went there.

 

Thanks for everyone's input. Definitely will be going back...but with a lot more knowledge than I had before...its nice not to feel like you were taken advantage of...

[+ glutes]

RE: Sex for $$$$

 

>Thanks for everyone's input. Definitely will be going

>back...but with a lot more knowledge than I had before...its

>nice not to feel like you were taken advantage of...

 

More knowledge:

$250 for 30min appointment = $8.33/minute = $500/hour

 

All this for bodyworship, or a condomed dick-lick?? My $ be spent better elsewhere.

[bill]

Sushi with Vince

 

Vince had plenty of time on Friday evening for sushi, because he did not have any private shows booked for after the 9:15 show. He seemed to have run out of clients willing to pay $300 for the limited private show.

[woop4me2]

Do you think we should put this discussion in a lower key since it puts the Gaiety in a bad light?

[tonytender]

>Do you think we should put this discussion in a lower key

>since it puts the Gaiety in a bad light?

 

BULL CRAP

 

This discussion is well needed to expose what the hell is going on outside the Gaiety.

Expose the rip offs...dancers, hustlers, or whomever from wherever, Gaiety, Buddies or even the streets.

My reputation exposes the rip offs and I am all for it.

 

How is the general public (rephrase that) us homo guys, gonna know who is what and what is where?

Queer..ey minds want to know this shit. It protects the consumers sort of like Ralph Nader does!

 

The dancers are putting the G in a bad light by conspiring to up their prices all at the same time. Are we to complain to management? Hell NO! The only defense we have is an open discussion on a forum such as this.

 

The G serves well for the male burlesque shows. Outside the establishment is another world on it's own and unconnected. Where most of the $$ are spent too.

 

For all we know, the dancers could be from the stage of "Beauty and the Beast" next door. }(

[hed4str8]

RE: Sushi with Vince

 

I'm not surprised. But I can't imagine him having found ANYONE willing to pony up $300 for a private. There certainly weren't any takers after his 8:30 appearance on Thursday night either.

 

Not having expected to be at the Gaiety at all, I hadn't read the Monday/Tuesday reviews very carefully. But after checking them out just now, I realize that Vince (tallish, lanky smiling blond in jeans) was the first one up that night. Even his stage act was met with such indifference that I felt sorry for the kid, and passed a buck toward ringside so that he wouldn't end up without a single tip. (Had I known about his ridiculously unjustified asking price, I doubt I would have made the gesture.)

 

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that any price-fixing that may be going on among these kids will, as in past attempts, collapse on itself out of the pure absurdity of it all.