Lack of tips at Gaiety makes for unhappy workers

[noviceny]

Was at the Gaiety tonight and I have to say, after going there a few times, it is a cool place. I keep to myself and talk to a dancer or two if the mood strikes me. Im actually not so much in to seeing their dicks and would rather see 14 dancers do a half strip tease, than see 7 or 8 with their dicks hanging out. I realize that I am in the minority on that one

 

I will be posting a review of Daniel, but that will be in another post. For now, let me tell you about one of the funniest things I have ever see, that went down at the Gaiety tonight (10/28). Tyler, the featured dancer, was incredibly sarcastic and very loud this evening. He seemed pissed in his first set where he actually challenged a guy in the audience to "come up and show your dick" apparently in reaction to the audience member's facial expression. He did not seemed pleased to be there, and he was equally pissed that no one tipped him. More accurately, I was the only one to tip him during his 8:30pm show, since I felt really bad for him. I was sitting in back but came up to the stage and left some bills. I really did feel bad for the guy. What's worse is the guy before him did not get a dime, and when he went backstage you could he the other guys laughing and Tyler told him to get back out there and make some money (he was joking).

 

Tonight was the worst night I had ever seen (although Ive only been there a few times), being that the tips were so scarce it was embarassing. I would have been pissed if I were one of those guys. I felt so bad that I felt it was duty to hire one of them : )

[mercury40]

Did you know that in the Montreal strip clubs the dancers don't get any tips? The guys there have to work very hard to entice a client into the backroom for a $10 a song lap dance.

 

Did you also know that the Gaiety dancers get paid to dance? While in Montreal the dancers have to pay to work in the strip clubs?

 

I don't think you should feel sorry for the Gaiety dancers who are now asking $250+ for a private show. These guys don't come to NYC for tips, they come to do privates.

 

If a Gaiety dancer has the right look he can have a very successful week.

[+ Lucky]

Tips are an indication of respect and appreciation for a dancer's performance. They also serve to fuel better performances by dancers who appreciate the extra dollars. So I would hope that guys who want to see the best dancing at the G would not be so tight as to hold out on a small tip...even if it is only a mercury dime!

[noviceny]

Damn !!!! No I didnt know that in Montreal they dont get tips !!

 

You are definitely right about the $250 bullshit ; I really think that $200 is cool (although Id like it lower :-) ) and that $250 should be reserved for people who are real well knowns or have such extraordinary bodies that you would want to pay that much.

 

I didnt realize that these guys can make a lot of money on privates from the Gaiety. I guess its because there is so little participation in the show, that I figured no one is hiring them. I also realize that I am pretty new to this so I may overlook things that are right in my face.

 

I guess I dont feel to bad for Tyler now, cause he really had a bad attitude, although I thought it was justified. However, the kid who danced before him seemed to put his heart in to it and then had to go backstage with his dick out and without a dime. What I didnt tell you was that I felt so bad for that kid that I went in to the lounge and gave him five bucks and said "It sucks that you didnt get any tips." To which he replied, "Yeah it does suck."

[noviceny]

Oh yeah, I think that kid was from Montreal too

[mercury40]

Novice, Also there is no cover or admission charge in the Montreal strip clubs. You can sit there all night with just a $3 bottle of water and enjoy dozens of hot looking dancers. Don't forget, it cost $20 on weekends to get into the Gaiety and if you leave to do a private, you'll have to pay another $20 just to get back in.

 

Don't feel bad for Gaiety dancers who don't get many tips, they are not there to make tips but to pick up a client and get lucky.

[noviceny]

Mercury,

 

I really was fooled by the fact that 1/2 the dancers did not hang out in the lounge during the times that I was there. Maybe cause it was late Thursday night. But I will tell you that Daniel did some good business while I was there...he talked to three people within 10 minutes...scored with one guy and came back and then scored with me (and I with him). He never looked tired or pissed or dismissive. Also, I guess if the going rate in Argentina is $50, then he must be real happy !!!

[Luv2play]

I have spoken with a few of the dancers in Montreal about their experiences at the Gaiety and it is not unusual for them to bring back $7 to $8K after a week in NYC. One told me of an incident when he was grilled by Customs officers about how he came by the funds. He sweated it out and eventually they let him go. I believe $10K is the limit for carrying cash without declaring it so he was alright.

 

I would not feel sorry for these guys. They are making out like bandits and more power to them. I only wish I could figure out a way to make tax-free income like they do. The smart ones don't go in for drugs and within a few years have a nice collection of possessions. All it takes is a big dick and... }(

[tazmanian5230]

$7 or $8 is a slow 10 days for the more popular dancers, the reason most of the dancers take the bus is customs agents are less agressive than at the airport...They may not make very good tips for dancing but there private dances buy some of them very nice vacations, house's and lifestyles most of the Gaiety customers cant afford.....

[irishguybos]

You cheap bastards. Make all the excuses you want for not tipping the dancers it all comes down to you cheap bastards. Of course the dancers are working for tips, and for 7 or 10 days that is a hard thing that they do all day. And if the make extra money on privates that's noones business. It wont kill you to throw a dollar or two for the each dancer especially because I'm sure most of you do not do privates. Just there to watch.

[Luv2play]

Since when is $7,000 to $8,000 tax free a slow week??? (I said $7K to $8K, K representing $1000). I know they don't make this every week since the Canadian boys have to come back to Canada and space their trips to NYC. But still, it is a very handsome compensation, IMO.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Did you know that in the Montreal strip clubs the dancers

>don't get any tips?

 

This is not strictly true though it is not common. Some dancers to get tips from some customers -- usually americans.

 

The guys there have to work very hard to

>entice a client into the backroom for a $10 a song lap dance.

>

Again true for some but not for many based on my experiences. One might say that Campus dancers might be said to 'work hard' hustling dances. The dozen or so times I have been to Stock I certainly haven't seen more than one or two work at all to get my money and very few work to get anyone else's as far as I could see. IMO it reflects Stock dancer attitude but things might be different if they saw me as a regular. I mention Stock because several of the Gaiety dancers come from Stock.

 

>Did you also know that the Gaiety dancers get paid to dance?

 

They get paid chicken feed. It might cover the bus ticket but certainly not the hotel room. Certainly not sufficient incentive to work the Gaiety.

 

>While in Montreal the dancers have to pay to work in the strip

>clubs?

>

That amounts to chicken feed too -- $5 CDN to the DJ and maybe another $5 CDN to the doorman if there is one. Sometimes they pay $10 CDN or $20 CDN to the DJ to get excused from the remainder of the night if they have a ' hotel date'. Small amount to pay to make 10 to 20 times that amount in an hour.

 

>I don't think you should feel sorry for the Gaiety dancers who

>are now asking $250+ for a private show. These guys don't

>come to NYC for tips, they come to do privates.

>

Very true and I don't feel sorry for them concerning privates. But Lucky is right about tipping being a sign of respect and appreciation and also a motiviational factor for the stage performance. And we are talking a dollar or two per tip, not $10 or $20. Few performers want to perform for a nonappreciative audience. Of course IMO dancers do not deserve a tip for a lackluster performance but is seems unusual that none of them would. That night there must have been a lunar eclipse or the breaking of a curse or worse a confluence of the two. :+

[Guest sniper]

Whenever I sit in the front row, I give each dancer a dollar or two - 5 only if it's someone I know or I'm out of singles and nobody else is tipping so I feel sorry for the guy. You only give them 20 to signal that you want to talk to them in the lounge about a private(at least that's what one of the dancers told me - when a guy gives 20 he makes a point of seeking the guy out in the lounge). Or if you're just made of money and like to throw it around.

[Guest JohnPela]

>>I don't think you should feel sorry for the Gaiety dancers

>>who are now asking $250+ for a private show. These guys

>>don't come to NYC for tips, they come to do privates.

 

>Very true and I don't feel sorry for them concerning privates.

> But Lucky is right about tipping being a sign of respect and

>appreciation and also a motiviational factor for the stage

>performance. And we are talking a dollar or two per tip, not

>$10 or $20. Few performers want to perform for a

>nonappreciative audience. Of course IMO dancers do not

>deserve a tip for a lackluster performance but is seems

>unusual that none of them would.

 

Well said Tampa Yankee and Lucky:

The several dancers that I know well do indeed get motivated by crowd appreciation both vocal and tips. No, tips do not pay the hotel bill but they do pay for meals and other incidentals that help a little during the dancer's week at Gaiety. But most important it is a sign of appreciation that is important for doing the 5 weekend performances a day! A $1 or two for those sitting near the stage is worth it for your proximity to the dancers. If you don't want to tip then you can routinely sit further back.

[Fin Fang Foom]

Can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE stop it with this silly assertion that these guys are DANCERS and that you're tipping them for DANCING? Just because they gyrate on the stage doesn't make them dancers. These guys are to dancing what Brittney Spears is to singing. (Please, don't start screaming about Ben Versace - he's the exception.)

 

These guys are hookers who are looking for clients and they get them by taking their clothes off to music while pretending to dance around on a stage. If you want to see dancers, go to The New York Ballet.

 

If these guys want tips, they should EARN them. Everytime I've gone, almost without exception, I don't see entertainers, I see ennui made flesh.

 

I pay $20 to get into that dump and it entitles me to see the naked guys. If the "dancers" want more of my money, they're gonna have to do something other than assaulting me with their boredom and thinly veiled distain.

 

Generously yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE stop it with this silly assertion

>that these guys are DANCERS and that you're tipping them for

>DANCING? Just because they gyrate on the stage doesn't make

>them dancers. These guys are to dancing what Brittney Spears

>is to singing. (Please, don't start screaming about Ben

>Versace - he's the exception.)

>

 

Its all in the eye of the beholder. Brittney has quite a following it seems, even a few here. It is true that few of these boys (excuse me Lucky ) are ready for Swan Lake or 42nd Street but I have seen a few latino/black guys and the odd white guy that have some rhythm and moves. And although many others don't have a lick of rhythm there is still room for 'exotic dance' which in this circumstance I define loosely as sensuous and erotic movements that puts the goods on display while managing not to clash with the music. Hey that does capture my attention. These guys are worthy of tipping IMO.

 

I will admit that there a lot of robots on parade and a number of guys that wave their dicks as though they are hailing a taxi. ( I call it the Stock Shuffle as it the primary dance form on this display at that esteemed establishment.) Even some of these guys may warrant consideration if they display an engaging personality. A few do.

 

You are right that the primary purpose of the Gaeity and these dancers is to serve the meat. However, seving it hot and with an appealing presentation does stoke the appetite and that seems worthy of a small consideration .

[stmilo]

I agree that the dancers are advertising their extremely expensive "escort services" and certainly don't need a tip from me.I had no idea that they have raised the fees to $250.00 !Besides that,how can I tip when it is impossible to get front row seats?Once again I got to the 6:15 show at 5:45 yesterday (Friday 10/29) and all of the front row seats were filled with shopping bags and coats.Also,whenever there a females in the crowd,the dancers don't hesitate to give them special attention which I think is an insult to the gay men who keep the place in business.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>I agree that the dancers are advertising their extremely

>expensive "escort services" and certainly don't need a tip

>from me.

 

I don't think we are talking need, rather appreciation for a good stimulating performance as a thank you and incentive for more.

 

I had no idea that they have raised the fees to

>$250.00

 

I suspect what one client can get for $250 another can get to $200 or he may have to pay $300. If they get $250 more often than not it is only because more clients than not are willing to pay it. Whose fault is that? I doubt that any fees are poured in concrete. Within limits I suspect they size up the crowd and the prospect and ask what they think they can get.

 

!Besides that,how can I tip when it is impossible to

>get front row seats?

 

Understandable.

 

>.Also,whenever there a

>females in the crowd,the dancers don't hesitate to give them

>special attention which I think is an insult to the gay men

>who keep the place in business.

 

So if you are not being served then you dont tip. Tipping is a reward for performance. If there is none then no tip is deserved. But, if� there has been a good performance then a little appreciation is appreciated. It shows a little respect and motivates the dancer.

[shy]

<<You only give them 20 to signal that you want to talk to them in the lounge about a private(at least that's what one of the dancers told me - when a guy gives 20 he makes a point of seeking the guy out in the lounge).>>

 

 

cute way to try to get bigger tips! if i'm interested in talking to a dancer about a possible private i go out to the lounge to talk to him. why would i need a 20 dollar bill to talk for me? if he won't talk to me cause i didn't tip a 20, there are plenty dancers who will.

[BgMstr4u]

The Gaiety is a theater with a show. You pay to see the show. The boys are the show. No one has to tip, and certainly no one is compelled to pay for a "private show".

 

But there is a sort of ecology between dancers and patrons at the Gaiety. All the boys are there to make money, and some of them can dance, or have a great persona which comes out on stage, or even really enjoy being there and being gorgeous and sexy and flirty and turning old guys like me on, or are just plain drop dead gorgeous in a way that leaves your knees weak, your heart fluttering and your cock hard. Thank you god for such beauty. It seems to me that part of that ecology is the exchange between the audience and the dancers. When I sit up front (usually in the seat by the right hand corner of the stage, opposite the one the great and legendary NYO sits in), I always, without fail, lay out a bill, a 1 or a 5, during the second dance. Always. I think that tipping while they are on stage helps to create a good energy between me and the dancer. And I notice that when I do it, sometimes other guys up front do it as well. It is about appreciation.

 

I almost never pay for a private show, because I don't like to spend that kind of money on impulse. I like to talk to the dancers, but the conversations are really structured, moreso now than in years gone by, when there were fewer professional dancers and more kids from the 'burbs who were pumped up and horny and looking for some spending money. They were a lot more fun, in my opinion, and I was a lot freer with my money with them than I am now with the professionals because I liked their sweet and sexy goofiness. And if it's true that the pros now dancing there are setting up an expectation of a $20 stage tip to talk to them later, I don't want any part of it or them, except to watch and smile on stage. If that's what the price of a conversation is going to be, they can take the train to the Bronx for all I care.

 

But for god's sake -- a dollar? Five dollars? Give it and grin, guys.