Now I know why people leave this site.

[Guest cp8036]

Nice idea!!! HooAir

 

I am a pilot, so I can offer my services

 

But, I get to pick out the cockpit crew.

[duke37]

>I'd better watch what my ass and I say from now on. }>

 

HooBoy:Congratulations

 

Rick:But we enjoy watching and doing other things to your ass so much

:9

[Guest Bitchboy]

>I'd better watch what my ass and I say from now on. }>

 

Don't ever stifle that ass, Rick - please!

[Guest JON1265]

Not a problem Hooboy...I will leave your board.

 

You provide a good service here...

 

I thought the point of this board was to trade INFORMATION. I sent in that information and it was responded with lies about me. I felt a need to challenge them - especially since they came from an escort who works for a "supposed" respected agency. I am sure they contribute monetarily to your board (I guess - I don't know for sure) so maybe you feel a need to doubt any bad reviews about their escorts. I am tired and cranky as well...but I certainly don't take it out anonymously on people in cyberspace.

 

I posted this thread in anger and I apologize for any misinformation I may have implied.

 

Take care.

 

 

Jon

[Guest]

>Jon, What information do you have that indicates people are

>leaving this site? It is statements like that which give

>you absolutely NO credibility.

>

>The stats for the past few months:

>

>DAILY Hits:

>

>August 2001 - 368,697

>

>September 2001 - 401,326

>

>October 2001 - 422,519

>

>November 2001 (and the month isn't over yet) - 472,799

>

>This is PER DAY.

>

>So, Jon, before you post incorrect information (like maybe

>your review and your rebuttal?) maybe you should know the

>facts.

>

>Frankly I would like November to drop by one - and that one

>would be you.

>

>HooBoy (tired and cranky after a 10 hour flight)

 

Hoo--

You imply that Jon said that the number of hits on this site is decreasing. He said no such thing. He merely said that some people leave this site. If there are two new people who visit this site for every one who leaves, then the total number of people increases. I feel your response to him was mean-spirited. Look how easily you get cranky--and no one accused you of having the breath of a cow and a crotch that smelt worse.

It's interesting that you first refused to let him explain his side of the story, despite this explanation conforming to message center rules. You seem to have jumped to a conclusion that because Jon said some people leave this site, therefore Jon means the volume of this site is decreasing, therefore Jon is a liar. I would say it would be a smaller jump in conclusions to think that your original refusal to let him defend himself from his foul accusations had something to do with Premier being a significant sponsor for this site.

I would also add that, from the postings I've read on this subject, most people who've read both sides seem to believe Jon's story is more likely than the escort's. I'm sorry Jon has been maligned as a (literally) dirty, stinking liar, because I think he posted a helpful review, and is getting slammed because of it. So, Jon, I, for one, hope you hang on. If you leave, those who falsely maligned you will have won. Don't let yourself be bullied by those with a financial interest to burry the truth.

[Guest regulation]

I don't know that people are leaving this site, but I have no doubt that the proliferation of fake positive reviews and the attempts by escorts (and others) to discourage clients from writing negative reviews have damaged its credibility. During the site's early days I had no hesitation in acting on a positive review posted by a first-time reviewer. I no longer do.

 

Clients have every right to complain about vicious responses to the reviews they submit. Such responses from escorts may not deprive clients of income directly, but since they discourage others from writing negative reviews they diminish the usefulness of this site to all clients.

[+ Lucky]

Having written a post or two when I was tired or cranky, I realize it is not a good thing to do.

Hooboy, I think you misread Jon. Sure, he's pissed, but he acted naturally under the circumstances.

I'd like to see him stay.

 

 

And BTW, I must be good for about a 1000 of those daily hits!;-)

[HooBoy]

Jon,

 

I regret asking you to leave. You can stay... everyone will just know that whatever you publish can be taken with a grain of salt.

 

I emailed you after deleting your original response to Emillio's response. I cc'd all the moderators and I told you that Rule #1 at this site was and always has been that the escort has the final say. I also told you that you had your say and Emillio had his.

 

A few minutes later, I got an email from Moderator Deej disagreeing with me, arguing that the Message Center and the review site were separate entities and that you should have your say and if people wanted to dump on you, they could.

 

I relented as I was heading to the airport. I wrote you back saying you could post whatever you wanted and I emailed Deej to alert the other Moderators that I changed my position in your favor.

 

When I landed and saw your post filled with untruths, it put everything you have to say in question because you obviously print things without consideration of truth.

 

Frankly, I have never read anything you have ever written mainly because I do not have the time to spend on the Message Center - a reason I depend so much on the moderators. I just happened to catch and delete your original vitriolic post because I was in Hawaii and the time difference enabled me to see it before the guys on the mainland.

 

But I rely on the opinions of the moderators and it only took 3 seconds for me to relent. Forgive me for asking you to leave. I was tired, cranky and you were lying and I have little tolerance for lies.

 

Typically, the only posts I read are those of the moderators, Traveller, Rick Munroe, Matt from Vancouver, Will, Tampa Yankee and any escort and Jacob, so you can continue to post your lies and know I won't see them until I am next in Hawaii.

 

Please know this has no reflection on all the wonderful people here who contribute to make this a vibrant and interesting site. I just spend most of my time editing, (4 hours a day answering email)and trying to get laid. I simply don't have the time to spend on talking about getting laid. :-)

 

Now excuse me while I kiss the sky...

[Guest JT]

Based on what I've read (that is available) on the MC, I don't think you should leave. Hang in there and please stay. Participants on this board will decide on their own where the truth lies.

 

JT

[Guest JT]

> You imply that Jon said that the number of hits on

>this site is decreasing. He said no such thing. He merely

>said that some people leave this site. If there are two new

>people who visit this site for every one who leaves, then

>the total number of people increases.

 

> You seem to have jumped

>to a conclusion that because Jon said some people leave this

>site, therefore Jon means the volume of this site is

>decreasing, therefore Jon is a liar.

 

I agree.

 

 

JT

[Guest alanm]

I wish that Premiere had given its part of the story. Jon has come out of this as a minor hero and that may be totally unjustified.

[Guest JT]

>Jon has come out of this as a minor hero and that may be totally

>unjustified .

 

Or he may be! Do you have some additional information that you would like to share with us?

 

JT

[Guest JT]

The beginning statement in my previous post should be

 

Or he may be totally justified !

 

 

JT

[Guest Les]

Are you a drama QUEEN that needs a lot of attention?

[BuckyXTC]

I'm with Regulation on this one.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>In any case, I would check my bottom to see if something was remiss, and then get me to the bidet.<

 

Beautifully utilitarian prose. Well spake. I love this site.

[Guest alanm]

The general concensus is that Premier worked with Emillio on the response. I agree with that. We kmow that Premier has been having problems lately, but why would the agency post such a damaging response to a client's review? Go back and read all of Jon's reviews;

two others are also negative. Even in two of the positive reviews, he

makes unusual statements. For example, Aaron "is new to the area" and he offered to show him around. In another review, Jon mentions that while he had a great time with the escort, he learned during the session that his first escort choice is waiting down stairs for this escort to finish. We have all heard escorts complain about problem

clients, after reading all his review I'm raising the possibility than Jon may be one of them. By the way, I live in Philadelphia and have had plenty of problems with Premiere. So Premiere's response to Emillio is important to me. I might be the next person to get trashed if I submit a negative review. That's why I went back and read all of Jon's reviews and why I posted the comment above.

[Guest JT]

Hi Alan,

 

Thx for your reply. I don't know Jon and I have never used the service of Premiere, so what I said here is only based on the information available on this site. Like many others here, since we don't have (and I doubt if we will ever have) all the facts, we will never know whether Jon's or Emillio's response is justified. But even if Jon, accoring to your suspicion, were a problematic client, does it automatically mean what he says is not true?

 

Please don't take the following personally but what you said really puzzles me.

 

1. You admitted that you "have had plenty of problems with Premiere" (so is it Premier or Premiere?); and

 

2. that you "might be the next person to get trashed if you submit a negative review".

 

So are you not submitting a negative review because you're afraid of being trashed? I would assume that you're NOT a problematic client so the truth is on your side, right? If that is the case, why would you expect to be treated the same way as Jon, a person whom you believe to be a problematic client?

 

 

JT

[Guest JT]

> Go back and

>read all of Jon's reviews;

>two others are also negative.

 

Out of curiosity, I went to read Jon's reviews. When I did a serach on "Woodman" (Jon's alias for his reviews), five reviews were found. However, none of them included escorts' names of Danny and Troy (Jon mentioned them in his review of Emillio), so I looked up those two escorts' reviews and found one additional review (for Troy) by Woodman (i.e. Jon). Of the six reviews that Jon wrote, four were about Premier's escorts. In three (Aaron, Brent and Troy) of these reviews, the escorts were described and rated positively.

 

 

>Even in two of the positive

>reviews, he makes unusual statements. For example, Aaron "is new to the area" and he offered to show him around. In another review,

>Jon mentions that while he had a great time with the escort,

>he learned during the session that his first escort choice

>is waiting down stairs for this escort to finish.

 

I will repost what Jon wrote in those two reviews and let everyone decide whether there was anything unusual about them.

 

That's what Jon said regarding Aaron, "He was new to the area and lives a few towns over from me. I gave him my number in case he ever needed any help getting around or just wanted to hang out. I haven't heard from him, but he is busy with work and school. I recommend him STRONGLY if you like bottom guys with a great personality. Thanks Aaron for a great night."

 

In Brent's review, Jon wrote, "Troy is, without a doubt, one of the BEST kissers I have ever been with. He is an enthusiastic bottom and very good with his oral skills. I am very vanilla and Troy was a real treat for me. It's funny because Danny was my first choice, but I was told he was ill. When our session was over Troy told me that Danny was with him waiting in the lobby. But Troy fulfilled all my expectations - so I have no regrets."

 

Is Jon, an individual who had submitted 6 reviews (3 positive and 3 negative), a problematic client as some suggested?

 

 

JT

[Guest alanm]

Good questions. My problems with Premier have been minor. The main guy who booked clients tended to gossip a lot about the escorts. I thought that was very unprofessional and just wouldn't take part in it. But,it got to the point where I hated to call Premier. It may seem like a small thing, however the agency has a monopoly in Philadelphia.

 

You are right. I am a good client and unlikely to get trashed. But, I only know that now after reading all of Jon's reviews. My comments about the two positive reviews would be dumb, unless you place them in the context of 3 negative reviews out of 6 overall. I almost always have a better relationship with the escort than the agency,

so I am having trouble relating to Jon in general.

[Guest JT]

>My comments about the two positive reviews

>would be dumb, unless you place them in the context of 3

>negative reviews out of 6 overall.

 

Hi Alan,

 

Perhaps, but as far as I can find out in my last search, Jon has reviewed 4 Premier's escorts (he also submitted two others regarding another agency's escorts) and among them, three (75%) were positive. The first and only time he wrote a negative review about a Premier's escort (i.e. Emillio), he got such a nasty response. As I mentioned in my previous posts, it's difficult for me to conclude that Jon was the problem based on the information available.

 

I appreciate your response and I hope that I haven't offended you in any way.

 

 

JT

[Laurent]

Perhaps I'm incapable of clear thinking this early, but is Jon's re

view of Brent supposed to cover Brent, Troy, or Danny?

Jon1265 worries me. Information from him in a message to me causes me to regret having recommended my favorite escort to him. It isn't anything major such as abuse, but I fear he's a user. Rereading his review of Aaron adds to this fear.

I don't understand why Premier would have Danny, one of the two best escorts I've ever hired (and there've been a few dozen), sit in the lobby while another of their employees was with Jon unless they had reason to expect a problem.

[Guest 7Zach]

An interesting point, but nothing has indicated that was the point of his being there.

 

So far, all that has been said was that the first choice was unavailable, yet he waited downstairs on the other escort in the apt. So it's a leap that he was there for protection. He could just as easily have been because the two escorts were friends, had plans later, or one of them had a car and gave the other a ride. Equally possible was that the first choice already had been out on a call, didn't want another one, or maybe had one scheduled later, but too soon to the one upstairs. I don't know, but it seems sorta harsh now to say that Jonn is some sort of bad guy that requires caution.

 

Do you think Premiere would use two guys in order for one to take a trick and have the other wait in case there was a problem? Maybe, but it makes more sense to me that, if they expected a problem, or better, thought that there was a possibility of a problem from a prior client, they wouldn't have taken the appointment.

 

From what's posted, they're pretty busy in back to back appointments, and that's been my experience with the agency. I don't see them sending two guys for one paying appointment. But hey, I don't know, and I still doubt some of the stuff in the escort rebuttal...If the client was that foul, one didn't need to "retest" the waters at each stage. Finally, no one has disputed the fact that the client got a break on the fee, and if the reasons were as stated by the escort, I just don't think that would have happened. But again, I don't know.

 

As far as saying that Jonn was a "user", meaning what? drugs? meaning taking advantage of someone through some sort of difference of power? I just think that supposition is silly - there's nothing to support saying that, and it's curious that you would.

[Laurent]

"User" was a poor choice of words from someone who should know better. No, I have no reason to suspect drugs or physical acts. My post does say, however, that the fear originated in an email from Jon. A private message, while very complimentary of the man I had recommended, chilled me enough that I reread it several times. I worry that Jon takes advantage of the basic desire of very pleasant young men to do an excellent job in order to get more time for less money.

Emillio's rebuttal struck me as overkill; I agree with you on that. On the other hand, if the young man responded truthfully, would any of us be willing to have sex with him for any amount of money?

I know Danny well enough to doubt any of your suggestions, but they are possible.

In the meantime, yes, I feel sorry for Jon. I also feel sorry for Emillio and the dispatchers at Premier. Since I don't hire those who advertise as tops, I don't have to decide whether to hire Emillio. If I were looking for a top, I'd have great reservations. If I were an escort, I'd also have great reservations.

I just realized that I've become as verbose as those I've silently scoffed at as I read their lengthy submissions.

[Guest JT]

>but is Jon's review of Brent supposed to cover Brent, Troy, or Danny?

 

Sorry about the confusion, it was a typo. That review was about Troy, not Brent.

 

 

> Jon1265 worries me. Information from him in a message

>to me causes me to regret having recommended my favorite

>escort to him. It isn't anything major such as abuse, but I

>fear he's a user. Rereading his review of Aaron adds to

>this fear.

 

Interestingly, before the Emillio's review, no one came out and accused Jon of anything when he wrote three positive reviews about three escorts from Premier. Then all of a sudden, he was accused of being a liar, a user, as well as a person with serious hygienic problems.

 

 

> I don't understand why Premier would have Danny, one of

>the two best escorts I've ever hired (and there've been a

>few dozen), sit in the lobby while another of their

>employees was with Jon unless they had reason to expect a

>problem.

 

Did this say something about Jon or more about the agency? If the agency truly believed that the client would be a problem, why agreed to send and indeed send their escort to him in the first place?

 

 

JT