Do I deserve this?

[Bilbo]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

>

>The idea that I was/am "stalking" Rick is so ludicrous that

>it would be funny if some people didn't actually think it's

>true.

 

It would be a lot more funny if it wasn't true by your own mouth.

 

 

>

>First off, let me address something I haven't addressed

>before. Many of you find Rick, sexually, to be the second

>coming. I do not. When I first met Rick he was a little

>thick around the middle, his dick wasn't very big and I

>found his cocksucking abilities to be average at best. (Just

>because someone says they're a "deep expert" doesn't mean

>they're any good at it.)

 

Now that your victim is becoming more effective at fighting back, you shift into defamation of character.

 

>FINALLY, I was "speaking" to him directly and I thought I

>would string him along just a little longer and probably

>tell him the next time I saw him.

 

As with many other things, it all starts very innocently. If you had told him the next time you saw him, I agree that there would have been very little damage done and this would have all been a practical joke.

 

 

>

>Time went on and I didn't really say much about him.

 

How much is not very much? And doesn't it depend on who is measuring it?

 

I then

>saw him out at Fire Island one weekend while Jason and I

>were out there. Jason ran over and chatted with him while I

>sat under that shelter thing they've built in the harbor. It

>was from THAT weekend that I did my posting about the

>escorts I saw that weekend. I mentioned I saw Michael Lucas,

>that blond guy who does massages and escorts (I can't

>remember his name, Trey or something), someone else, and

>Rick and Derek. Big fucking deal. Ooooooooooooooo, that's

>really STALKING isn't it?

 

Yes, by this time it was.

 

>

>After the Fire Island weekend

>"thing", I thought it would be funny to actually send Rick

>ONE email from a name I created just for him on AOL. I told

>him in the email, something to the effect, that I had been

>sitting under that shelter thing while he and Derek were

>talking to Jason. It pissed him off, I never sent him

>another one, I deleted the name, and I stopped referring to

>him in my posts since he was annoyed. Oooooooooooooooo,

>that's really STALKING isn't it?

 

Absolutely so 'fun' for you, but not for him. How kind of you. Going to special pains to poke out at him from behind another annoying, risky veil of annonymity created expecially for the purpose. You, who can refer to "whores" and "whoremongers" when you know it upsets some people around here, have a bit of trouble with the word "stalker"?

 

 

>

>Some time later, Rick started

 

Seriously trying to find out who the hell you were.

 

me (if you will) by

>sending me insulting message board emails demanding to know

>who I am. Since I wouldn't tell him,

 

Just how many times does one have to refuse someone the knowledge of whom one is before you become a stalker? A practical joker would have jumped out and said "Surprise! It's me!" at the first or second opportunity.

 

I guess he's decided to

>ratchet up the harassment by enlisting HooBoy in his

>mission. (And a pretty boring and petty mission at that.)

 

But if it succeeds, it will be a very comforting thing for him. I'm not saying that he's going to be losing sleep over a person like yourself, but you are preying at the back of his mind. You may knock him but what you want is to be everpresent in his life, even if it is annonymously.

 

>

>That's it boys and girls. THAT'S my history of "STALKING"

>Rick Munroe.

 

>

>The bottom line is that Rick wants to know who I am because

>he can't figure it out on his own. I can understand that.

>However, because things turned nasty about me on this board,

>I feel it's the wise thing to keep that little secret to

>myself. I killed the whole "Rick thing".

 

If you ever want forgiveness, I think that you would eventually find it here. But guess what? You don't get to decide when it's over like you decided when it would begin. It don't work that way, bubba.

 

 

>

>A final word about Jason Coxx.

> They do know Jason and the

>health of his business is predicated on his reputation and

>people, just to get at me, have now begun dumping on Jason.

>Because of THAT I agreed with Jason that it was time for him

>to address all of this head-on.

 

Which makes it, to me, an excellent time to truely protect Jason by identifying yourself. Or is it OK with you that you could stop this dumping on your protege and don't?

 

>

>

>One final thing: at some point, I'll probably tell Rick in

>person who I am. When? I don't know.

 

You have said this before and have not done it. The time to do it is now.

 

It will be one of those

>things where I'll know the timing is exactly right and blurt

>it out. I'm sure he will be surprised and more than likely

>apologetic. People can be really "tough" on this board

>because of the safety of the anonymity but if someone is

>face-to-face with a person, they tend to melt. Rick thinks

>he's tough. He's not.

 

Oh, yeah. Make sure you tell him in person some night when he's alone with you in a dark alley. He'll melt or you'll show him with your fists just how tough he's not.

I truely don't believe that you would do that. But you did a good job of planting it in Rick's mind, just now, that you might.

 

 

>

>There's only one thing worse than a cocksucking whore with a

>small mouth: a whore with a big mouth.

 

Oh, yeah, and wait until after you've ruined his business.

 

 

Ready to do my small part in forgiving you when you act like a mensch,

Bilbo

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Since I have been told by one or two of the flakier denizens

>of this message board that I am you, I would like to take

>this opportunity to congratulate myself on an excellent

>post, excerpted in part above. This post shows my superior

>reasonabing ability, perspicacity and command of the English

>language. I hope to see many more such posts from me in the

>future.

 

Dear TT - uh, I mean Pickwick,

 

I want to thank myself for the nice compliments. At some point, I think I'm going to confess that the reason why we (speaking of me, collectively) appear in so many incarnations is because JeffOH's widsom is so expansive and intricate that it takes many more than just 1 persona to ingest it.

 

Thank me again. Good talking to me.

 

Pickwick

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

Your willingness - indeed, eagnerness - to disparage Rick and his reputation in order to make your petty, false points about your identity is seriously deranged and repugnant.

 

The fact is that Rick offered you a chance to prove that what you were saying about your identity was true. Specifically, in order to prove that you were not Jason Coxx, you repeatedly said here (including in that long apologia post) that you were a friend of Rick and Derek's BEFORE you knew they were escorts.

 

Knowing that you were lying, Rick wrote to you and asked you to prove this by telling him his real name and Derek's real name - information you would obviously have if, in fact, you were a friend of theirs prior to knowing about their being escorts -- rather than a sick stalking Jason Coxx. You were unable to do so, which proves - yet again - what a sick liar you are.

 

You don't know Rick or Derek other than as escorts, and know them because you, too, are an escort. I really couldn't care less about who you are, but when you start writing posts intended to smear Rick -- and this is only the most egregious, but not the first, such post -- then I feel compelled to point out what a liar you are.

[adriano46]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

Hello Jeff,

 

Just a short note... not all the reviews I ever submitted were posted. Sometimes they were simply lost in cyberspace... It does happen.

 

As a dispassionate browser of this thread, can I suggest politely that you made your point... more than once... as did others...

 

Can we now close this entire thread which really got away from the original topic, which has unfortunately been hijacked from the original poster?

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

TT,

 

I can't believe you didn't come to the defense of the "aging,bald"

whore in Ohio. I feel so neglected.:-(

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

>I can't believe you didn't come to the defense of the

>"aging,bald"

>whore in Ohio. I feel so neglected.:-(

 

I would have defended you, but if had I done so, you would have thought it was pickwick doing it, and I wouldn't have gotten any of the credit I would have so richly deserved.

 

Acutally, I know for a fact that what FFF is saying about Rick and himself is false. He's expanded beyond lying just about himself (which I don't care about) to deliberately disparaging Rick with ajbect, demonstrable falsehoods. I think that it's only a matter of time before he's exposed as the decaying, deranged slime that he is, which will only redound to the benefit of all of those whom he has lied about and maligned in the past.

 

I am the Defender of all that is Good and Just. But you know that already.

[phage]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

>If you ever want forgiveness, I think that you would

>eventually find it here. But guess what? You don't get to

>decide when it's over like you decided when it would begin.

>It don't work that way, bubba.

>

>Which makes it, to me, an excellent time to truely protect

>Jason by identifying yourself. Or is it OK with you that you

>could stop this dumping on your protege and don't?

>

 

I hesitate to enter this fray because, quite frankly, I don’t really care who the posters are and some of you people are friggin insane. However, that’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. Why should FFF cast off his anonymity – especially now when so many people have proven themselves willing to spread personal information about other board participants? I know HooBoy has his rule about names and phone numbers in postings, but a great deal of damage (as evidenced) can be done with the private mail function.

 

I have posted before about the lack of a level playing field when it comes to anonymity on this site. The escorts do have real (more or less) names and real faces, however, they choose to participate using their escort identities. They just as easily could have created anonymous monikers. There is an obvious upside to their business, and there is an obvious downside to putting yourself in the public eye – ask any entertainer. This lack of a level playing field is certainly no reason anyone should have to prove who they are to a bunch of over agitated people just because a dispute has arisen.

 

There is nothing this man could say – reasonable or otherwise – that would satisfy your vendetta driven thirst for…what? The cyber equivalent of throwing himself on broken glass and begging forgiveness? Public humiliation at the hands of the “offended” party? What could this man do to be “forgiven” and why in the world should he even give a shit? Obviously, just explaining the situation is not enough because some of you are the biggest conspiracy nuts I’ve ever encountered.

 

I think Rick is one of the hottest, sexiest, funniest guys I have never met, but you guys treat him like he is the Pope (or whatever revered personage you ascribe to). Why is anything anyone else says – Jason Coxx in particular – dissected and discredited as if it’s meaningless dribble? Oh yeah…it’s because some conspiracy nuts have determined that Jason and FFF are the same person. Well, as someone who was recently “outed” as a FFF alter ego, (not that I found it in any way offensive ) I know how silly all of that can be.

[Guest TruthTeller]

> Enjoy

>the banter. Enjoy the shocking things you would never hear

>in the real world. And keep it all in perspective.

 

Correct. Or, if you find certain things or people upsetting, just don't read them.

 

>The only thing I think TT may not be thinking about is that

>Jeff, Rick Munroe, Zach DC and the other escorts who post

>here are not nearly as anonymous as the rest of us. Yes,

>they are probably using escort names, but they still have

>identities with real faces and real incomes associated with

>them. That means that comments directed at them take on a

>much more real and personal nature.

 

This is a true observation, but doesn't, in my view, make the point you may be wanting to make. For exactly the reason that you said - namely, that things said by and about escorts on these boards can affect their livlihood -- I'm actually suprised that s0ome escorts who make a substantial portion of their living by escorting, and who use this site to advertise and attract clients, simultaneously participate, actively and aggressively, on these boards using their escort names.

 

I'm not referring to the ones who do it in a non-controversial, facetious way - a little sexual innuendo here and there, a little joke now and then, but nothing offensive. That makes sense; that's probably a way of getting more clients. But the ones who jump into the fray, start attacking others, exposing themselves to attack, and generally doing things that don't endear themselves to a large group of people seem to be acting at cross-purposes with their escort marketing aims.

 

If those escorts choose to participate that way on these borads using their escort names, then I don't think they're entitled to any greater deference than non-escort participants. I've seen escorts, out of nowhere, jump into some thread and call someone names, or rate someone negatively -- all without the other person ever having talked to or about the escort. The escort has to know what's coming. In that case, by participating in such a manner under their escort names, they're choosing their own course of action, and have to live with the consequences.

 

It doesn't strike me as the smartest thing for them to do, but they're entitled to do it. They just have to accept responsibility for their actions when they do.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

>Can we now close this entire thread which really got away

>from the original topic, which has unfortunately been

>hijacked from the original poster?

 

HERE! HERE!

 

It'll be hard to get those twisted sisters on board though.

 

Pessimistically yours,

 

FFF

[SmallTownJohn]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

Sweet,

 

Now that we have all this out in the open ...who's up for a platter of fried catfish with all the fixins?

 

 

:0)

 

John

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

>>Can we now close this entire thread which really got away

>>from the original topic, which has unfortunately been

>>hijacked from the original poster?

>

>HERE! HERE!

 

Oh - now that you've maligned Rick as severely and destructively as possible, and spewed every vile, false accusation about him as you can conjure, you're eager to run away and close the discussion. "Let's just forget the whole thing."

 

Before crawling away, why not just tell us Rick's and/or Derek's real name? E-mail me with it, or e-mail Rick with it, or hooboy. Given that your entire lie is based on the canard that you knew them before knowing that they escorted, you should have no trouble doing that at all. After all, any long-time friend of theirs who knew them before escorting would, of course, know their real names - even just their first names.

 

Once it's done, I'm sure everyone would acknowledge that the speculation that you're a lying, stalking creep was all just a big mistake. And it would be clear that you didn't really just engage in the incomparably repulsive behavior of disparaging Rick in order to justify your behavior. I know I'd be the first to acknowledge that.

 

All it takes is five seconds and the typing of two little words. Who wouldn't do that - if, that is, they were telling the truth?

 

You just wrote thousands of words about it and spent hours lying to dispel the accusation. It would only take five seconds and two words to do so with finality. I look forward to your finally clearing the air.

[+ deej]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

<<Before crawling away, why not just tell us Rick's and/or Derek's real name?>>

 

[h3]Real names are not allowed![/h3]

 

You know better than to even make the suggestion.

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

><<Before crawling away, why not just tell us Rick's and/or

>Derek's real name?>>

>

>[h3]Real names are not allowed![/h3]

>

>You know better than to even make the suggestion.

 

I'm well aware of that, bitch hole. That's why I specifically said he should e-mail it PRIVATELY to me or Rick or hooboy. Did you miss that part?

[BewareofNick]

>Mabye there are NO other posters here besides me - I post as

>everyone.

 

Let me say quite categorically that Half Truth Teller is not me.

 

I have done some investigating and I have concluded that HTT is none other than Charles Nelson Reilly.

[Guest regulation]

>JeffOH and Lucky say I'm pickwick and regulation.

 

Now wait just a minute here! :-)

 

>Mabye there are NO other posters here besides me - I post as

>everyone.

>

>I don't know which is more pathetic: that these individuals

>spend time thinking about whether I post under other names,

>or that - when "thinking" about it - they're so demonstrably

>and indescribably wrong. It's very hard to say which is

>worse.

 

Be comforted, my dear man. As a veteran of these screen-name witch hunts, I can tell you that the people who start them usually become tangled in their own absurd conspiracy theories and look more and more like jackasses as they continue. They usually reach the point of saying something like, "It doesn't really matter whether I'm right about it or not, because the person I'm accusing is a jerk anyway." If I'm not mistaken, the person who started this one has already reached that stage. :-)

[BewareofNick]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

Maybe I missed it somewhere amidst all the ramblings, but...

 

FFF indicated that he had hired Rick Munroe.

 

That means that Rick knows who FFF is, right?

 

Has anyone bothered to ask Rick if FFF is Jason Coxx??

 

Seems fairly simple to me....

[Guest Derek Ross]

From the desk of Derek Ross

 

There seems to be something missing in this equation; that's me. Hello, my name is Derek Ross - Rick's partner. I'm seriously disturbed and angry about the lies being told by FFF/Jason.

 

As you may or may not know, my voice isn't well known in this forum, but since I am being spoken about in this thread, I need to respond. FFF, you're starting to sound like a cornered animal lashing out in ugly fashion. I'm not going to write on and on about this. I just want to make one point: FFF, you're not a friend of ours (casual or otherwise) and you lie.

 

As already pointed out on this board, a few weeks ago you were asked, in order to put this to rest, to tell Rick and me what our non-escort names are. Since you claim to be our friend, someone who knew us before you found out we were escorts, that should be an easy task. You declined to do so, stating that if you answered us it would lead to more questions and that the whole thing would become too time consuming. Interesting, instead of putting an end to this by simply telling us our names, you decided to write a long, time consuming post and thereby avoid ending it all (time management is obviously not your forte).

 

I'm tired of your bull and will ask you here and now to tell me what my work/profession, other than escorting, is. Any friend, casual or intimate, would have the answer. You can post the answer on the board; at that time I'll know whether or not you do know me. If not, you should admit that you've been lying about Rick and just put an end to it.

 

Sincerely,

Derek Ross

 

btw, Jason has never been in our bedroom. Anyone who has been in that room will notice that there are no drawers there, let alone filled with "party favors"; it's one of the distinguishing features of that room.

[+ Lucky]

RE: From the desk of Derek Ross

 

Well, I don't know what Derek's work would be other than escorting, but there is a clue here. He has a desk!! :-)

[Guest WetDream]

RE: SmallTownJohn's Offer

 

STJ: Hope there is nothing fishy about your kind offer. You do the cookin' and I'll do the eatin'. I know I'd enjoy nibbling on your hush puppies. }>

[SmallTownJohn]

RE: SmallTownJohn's Offer

 

Sweet...You are On,

 

I have nice pups<g> Besides, come on, NOBODY gives a damn about a bunch of queens playing "I'll Get You, Mary!" on a Message Center threads in cyberspace :0)

 

 

 

We'll return to our story after these messages,

 

 

John

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: From the desk of Derek Ross

 

>btw, Jason has never been in our bedroom. Anyone who has

>been in that room will notice that there are no drawers

>there, let alone filled with "party favors"; it's one of the

>distinguishing features of that room.

 

The placement of the drawers being in your bedroom was an assumption on my part. I never asked Jason for a floorplan and asked to him place the furniture in each room for me. I never really paid attention to where your drawers were when I was there. So much for that "gotcha!".

 

It appears you haven't been reading all my posts, but I have made it clear REPEATEDLY that I never hired Rick. And for that matter, I never hired you either Derek - and I've had you too. That should narrow it down to about 8,225 guys.

 

Lost in all the cacaphony is that fact that I have shown great restraint in all that I know about both of you. I could spill the beans with your names, your address, your apartment number, the name on your buzzer, what gym you go to, where you stay at Fire Island, that weird curved lamp you have/had in your living room, the odd color of your living room, the fact that your bathroom is directly across from the door to your bedroom, that if you sit on your toilet the tub is to your right and the sink to your left, that when you're standing at the sink in your kitchen the door to your apartment is directly behind you and your frig it to the left, the window in your living room faces south - shall I go on? Your apartment's layout doesn't give away who you are but for me to know all of that proves that I've been there enough to remember how your place is laid out - regardless of where the fucking DRAWERS are! I don't do drugs, and you know that, so I guess you didn't feel the need to show me your "stash".

 

This may sound nonsensical, but I'm actually doing you a FAVOR by not telling you who I am. If you know who I am then that means you'll want to "talk" about this in person, and believe me, you don't want to have that conversation with me. Trust me, you don't.

 

I don't want to talk with either one of you about this - I frankly don't give a shit about all this nonsense. The only reason I've been even engaging the cranks on the board about this is because I don't like being misquoted and words being put into my mouth. However, my patience and interest in this tedious, childish topic is at and end and I'm retiring from all the folldoral and fiddle-di-dee and fiddle-di-faddle-di-foodle.

 

All of you are free to continue squawling, banging your spoons on your cyber-high chairs and making spectacles of yourselves but I'm not going to be baited any further into commenting on THIS subject. I've said all I have to say on this and as far as I'm concerned this topic has come to an end.

 

Finally yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: STALKING!!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't really know how much credibility I enjoy among you, and the only ones who have posted on this thread that I have had any dealings with outside this board are Hoo and CTdick. But I feel called upon to make two observations.

 

1. I too reading FFF's came to exactly the same conclusion as Bilbo. This guy is a stalker and doesn't realize it. Because he sees no harm in what he does, he thinks that any hurt or anxiety Rick has experienced is his own fault. This is so classically typical of a stalker's thinking that it just leapt off the page at me.

 

FFF, the behaviour you have been describing is called "stalking". It is sinister, and people quite unsurprisingly find it scary and threatening. Just stop. You do not realize the pain you are causing and, if you do realize it and don't care, you are a really disturbed individual.

 

2. FFF has very good cause not to reveal his identity to Rick at this time. The fact that he fears doing so is a good sign. It means he is beginning to confront the fact that his behaviour has been foolish and unconscionable. Things have come to a pass, however, that, until such time as he does reveal his identity, FFF will be stalking Rick each and every time he refers to him, no matter what the context, because of his past behaviour.

 

So the optimal solution, though I am sure Rick will find it unsatisfactory, is for FFF to just stop talking about Rick, to stop contacting Rick or, ideally, to stop even thinking about Rick whether as FFF or any other persona until all this has died down and Rick can regain some peace of mind through the healing power of time. It could take years. But perhaps at that point, and only at that point could FFF actually seek forgiveness by offering a sorrowful and genuinely heartfelt apology. FFF is still in denial and does not appear capable of this yet.

 

If the stalking continues, and I repeat that, under the circumstances, any further attempt by FFF to contact or refer to Rick constitutes further stalking, then Hoo has no choice but to yank FFF off the board (I don't see much point in launching an investigation). If that doesn't work and FFF, or even someone like him, returns to the charge via another persona, then Hoo will unfortunately have to close the message board.

 

Stalking is serious stuff boys, but the stalker is never able to see that. He may realize that he is in too deep, but if that's the case, he also realizes there is nothing he can do to make things right. So he tends to minimize the harm in his own mind and project responsibility for a bad situation onto the victim.

 

Rick, I don't know you, and I realize that this is not the game of peekaboo FFF has portrayed it as. He is not a sick person, just someone who has made so many mistakes one small step at a time that there is now no climbing down. If you really, must know who FFF is now, you are going to have to convince him that he is forgiven. I don't think he is (forgiven), so stop pushing and let him stop his obnoxious behaviour on his own. I don't envy you, and understand the pain he has caused you foolishly or maliciously.

 

If he continues, at least we will know which of the two it is.

 

(A very saddened) Esc-Tracker:-(

[BuckyXTC]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

>Sweet,

>

>Now that we have all this out in the open ...who's up for a

>platter of fried catfish with all the fixins?

>

>

>:0)

>

>John

 

 

John, as a fellow Southern boy, fried catfish is always too hard to resist....I'll be having some tomorrow at noon (even though I'll have to go to a Cracker Barrel restaurant to get it). And yes, it is time to move on from this thread. When it takes nearly three minutes for the thread to load on a cable modem hookup, it has grown to be far too lengthy for the wait. Let's put a fork in it, it's done.

[+ deej]

RE: JASON COXX EXPLAINS IT ALL

 

>I'm well aware of that, bitch hole. That's why I

>specifically said he should e-mail it PRIVATELY to me or

>Rick or hooboy. Did you miss that part?

 

I did NOT miss your follow-on suggestion of a private e-mail. I did however notice your carefully worded one-sentence goad, quoted above and here:

 

<<Before crawling away, why not just tell us Rick's and/or Derek's real name?>>

 

I posted a reminder that following this suggestion would not be allowed. That is my job here. If you feel you can do a better job, feel free to apply to hooboy@male4malescorts.com.

 

Perhaps you should concentrate on putting whole thoughts into future goads rather than creating unique insults like "bitch hole" which, frankly, wasn't that entertaining anyway.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: From the desk of Derek Ross

 

>All of you are free to continue squawling, banging your

>spoons on your cyber-high chairs and making spectacles of

>yourselves but I'm not going to be baited any further into

>commenting on THIS subject. I've said all I have to say on

>this and as far as I'm concerned this topic has come to an

>end.

>

>Finally yours,

>

>FFF

 

FFF...well, I guess your post really says it all. Derek asked that you

e-mail with their names, which I don't think you can do. You were given an opportunity to prove your veracity, but conveniently chose not to do so. You are the liar, FFF, not I. You are so full of shit it's a wonder you don't choke to death from your own stench. FFF/JC,

I may be an "aging, bald" whore, but at least I don't require

"Doris Day lighting" to turn out a good picture.

 

}> Jeff4hire@aol.com