Don't Miss out on Draker...

[Okliehomo]

Hey guys,

 

Just got back from an overnite with Steven Draker and I don't think that I have ever had a better time with an escort. I am going to write a review, but he'll be back in Europe before it posts, so I thought I would give you all a heads up.... that all the hype is on the money and then some. He is worth every cent. I have been disappointed in the past by some big name escorts, but not this time, boys.

 

If you have half a chance to meet Draker, don't hesitate. He's the real deal. I promise.

 

Okiehomo

[uwsman2]

Ditto. I had a great time with him when he was in New York recently. Fabulous guy, handsome, sophisticated, well-built, knows how to use all his assets...

[Lankypeters]

Ditto, ditto. A hot, fun-filled hour and I love the upscale hotels he picks. Those rooms were just made for fucking.

 

Lankypeters

[Hamlet]

Ditto Ditto Ditto. To be both that hot and that classy. It's something you almost never encounter.

[Epigonos]

Well guys based upon your comments I have just set up an appointment during the gentleman's visit to sunny Southern California. Thanks for the heads up!!!!!

[Guest zipperzone]

Just curious - when a great escort like Draker does a US tour, presumably he makes a heap of $$$.

 

I was wondering what he does with it while enroute. He can't bank it, too big for his sock and the risk of it being stolen would be a stupid risk to take.

 

Granted when he checks into a hotel, he can put it in the safe but I'd really like to know how he deals with the logistics of all this.

 

Also, how safe is it for him to cross international borders with it when returning to his home country?

[Luv2play]

Maybe he travels with a money belt. I know people who use them to carry considerable sums when travelling abroad.

[SexualAlchemist]

Gentlemen, empty your socks, put those old tin cans in the recycling bin, and take those wads of cash out from between your matress and box spring--I introduce you to the wonders of the 21st century: the "bank", the "bank access card", and the "foreign currency account".

 

:-)

[JT Brooklyn]

Don't worry Guys, with his new "Policy" regarding Payment, he won't have as much to Carry, Hide, or Send back home..IMHO of course. :+

[Steven_Draker]

Sooooo childish

 

JT - grow up and get a life outside the Message Center !

 

You don't have to worry too much. Business is through the roof.

 

 

Steven Draker ~

[Steven_Draker]

Zipperzone,

Usually I don't discuss these questions over a public board, but to satisfy your curiosity I spend a lot and I never travel or cross a border with more than the allowed amount of cash. The "under the mattress" money is an urban legend. Hope this answers your question.

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com/uk

[Guest zipperzone]

>Zipperzone,

>Usually I don't discuss these questions over a public board,

>but to satisfy your curiosity I spend a lot and I never travel

>or cross a border with more than the allowed amount of cash.

>The "under the mattress" money is an urban legend. Hope this

>answers your question.

>

 

Steven - I really wasn't trying to pry into your personal affairs. I only used you as an example as your name had been prominent of late.

 

I have always wonder about the logistics of money management even for the travelling escorts who operate in the US only. Say you live in LA for example. Can you deposit $$$ to you LA bank, if you find yourself in Witchita or Bumfucksville, where ever?

 

I thought that US banks were mostly small regional ones and not to be found in every state.

 

In Canada we have a different system. There are only five main banks and they all have offices right across Canada.

 

It's vital that I understand how it works as I am planning to suck my way across America, starting in January. Ha Ha Ha!

[+ deej]

>I have always wonder about the logistics of money management

>even for the travelling escorts who operate in the US only.

>Say you live in LA for example. Can you deposit $$$ to you LA

>bank, if you find yourself in Witchita or Bumfucksville, where

>ever?

>

>I thought that US banks were mostly small regional ones and

>not to be found in every state.

 

Far from it! If you bank at Citi or BofA, for example, they're very much national. (Even international.) My accounts are officially located at a branch in San Jose even though that's not anywhere near anything I visit regularly (mostly because I opened the accounts on the internet).

 

There are still a few smaller, independent banks left but they're becoming a rare breed. And inter-bank transfers are quite common. You can make cash deposits at most any ATM, for example. It may take time to get transferred to your account at your bank, but if you're on the road does that really matter?

 

Another possibility is walking into any Western Union and sending yourself a wire transfer to be waiting for you when you get home.

 

And don't forget that carrying cash is still legal. ;-)

[Luv2play]

As I recall, there used to be a law against interstate branch banking which accounted for the proliferation of US banks all across the country. This must have been repealed because there is interstate banking now. I have a US bank account and have no problem switching funds from it to my Canadian account and vice versa but I do so in amounts allowed.

[Guest zipperzone]

>And don't forget that carrying cash is still legal. ;-)

 

I know, I know, but large amounts are risky to tote around.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>>And don't forget that carrying cash is still legal. ;-)

>

>I know, I know, but large amounts are risky to tote around.

>

American Express offers a reloadable check card that functions just like any other ATM card. You can purchase one just like a travelers check at any bank and then reload either online or at any bank. Has the advantage of not being tied to your bank account so if its lost or stolen the perp can't get to your banking information. It can also be replaced in 24 hours. I have used these in Latin America and its great.

[+ bigjoey]

most escorts do not want banking records so would not use the banking system. an escort could ask a trusted friend to send him a fed ex envelope once he got back home and we could all guess what the envelope contains (heard this from a gaiety dancer who did not want to cross the canadian border with a large amount of cash). getting funds across borders is really not so difficult nor is getting rid of large amounts of cash collected during travels.

[bootdad]

For the vast majority of escorts - worrying about large sums of money is not an issue. Most - I think it would be safe to say in excess of 95 % are escorting for the short term versus the long.

Observing and hiring for almost 2 decades - the following behaviour patterns repeat themselves time and again . . .

What happens to all the BIG money $$$ ??? Well for most escorts . . .

1 - they are between legit jobs / careers / waiting to be genuinely discovered for any hidden talent they may possess that is not sexual.

2 - they are topping up a low paying job - so they rarely see more than 2-3 clients on a weekly basis and many of those tend to be regulars. I know 3 escorts in London that have not taken on a new client or run an ad or had a review in more than 2 years and rarely work more than 1-2 evenings a week. But that adds up - increasing their tax free income by an easy 5-7000 (pound sterling) which in London is a huge bonus for a guy 30-40 years of age at an average paying desk job. One of these guys I have been seeing since 1998.

3 - they are pissing away the money on food / fashion / fun (if you are escorting usually fun includes a need for a little PNP when you actually want to have sex for purposes other than payment)

4 - they are suporting some sort of addiction

5 - they are trying to clear up excessive credit card debt

6 - they are absolutely oblivious to how easily they are making money and pissing it away - not realizing this won't last as long as they think.

Experience has proven to me that for the occasional escort that makes good with the money (buys a condo / a car / pays for school) the vast majority cry the blues as they live john to john.

 

The other day I happened to run into an a favourite escort of mine from the late 90's - by the time he is was 25 in 2000 - he had easily made between $200 - $ 300 K. Easily 3-4 times what kids his age with no skills working in fast food and retail were making.

He had travelled with clients around the world and had lived in a posh rental. The last couple of years have not been as kind to him (even though he has a genuine 9+ cock) he took it forgranted this would all last for a decade easy. Although still a handsome guy as he turns 30 he is not the boy hunk he was 6-7 years ago.

During the past 2 and half years he has been through more than a dozen jobs - most paying $2 - 3 above minimum wage (what he earns in a 40 hours week he use to earn in an evening on 2 or 3 calls, he went back to school (he never completed high school because he started making too much quick easy money at 17) went to college as a mature student and did not last a semester!

SO - as your mom use to say . . . it all fine and well to play with the other boys and not do your home work and go to school as long as you don't want a real job and who knows you may even be real lucky through your 20's but it is rarely a pretty situation as you move into your 30's. Unless - you are lucky enought to become someones kept boy, house boy or bitch !!!

After escorting for more than 5 years regardless of age when you decide to retire the chances of fitting into any sort of main stream career are going to diminish enourmously. I sure a few of you will be all over me about this post - but remember - I barter in reality ! ! !

[Luv2play]

Bootdad, your experience is much like mine. I have been hiring escorts regularly for over 10 years and given where I live, I see a lot of male dancers, some of whom escort on the side. I have been with escorts of various ages, I am generally not into twinks, so I know guys who have been at the game for some time.

 

What I see is much like you described, the money comes fast if the escort has the required attributes (face and body and hopefully some personality) and generally is spent as fast as it is made. The problem is that these guys are not earning a "legitimate" income, meaning that they do not report it to the tax authorities, they do not have the financial backing that those of us who work in regular jobs have (bank account, mortgage, life insurance, investments with a broker etc). They deal in cash. And cash in large amounts is difficult to control unless you have an iron will. Just ask the mob!

 

Then we come to the regular passions that money can fuel; the fast and flashy cars, the wine, women and song, the travel, and unfortunately for all too many, the drugs. The last especially is the real killer, and the guys who think they can handle a little coke are sadly mistaken. One thing you did not mention is the number of guys who eventually end up in trouble with the law. I know of several who have gone to jail. Usually drugs were at the heart of the problem.

 

I also know a few who have been lucky in acquiring a wealthy benefactor (aka sugar daddy) and these have generally done quite well, especially when the daddy has been looking out for their best interests. In these situations, the boys get an education, a business that they are good at and an independence that so many of us take for granted.

 

The one thing you cannot do is lecture a young guy who is just getting into the biz. He thinks he has the world by the tail and wouldn't listen to an old fart who has been around the block more than a few times anyway.

[JT Brooklyn]

Boot and Luv..Totally Agree. The Guy's I have met who do have Day Jobs, are definitely more grounded. They have a much better sense of what the Future can and cannot hold!

Sadly, some of The "Full Time" guys will wake up one day, in their 30's and realize the Party is Over! Those Sugar Daddies, are not on every corner....

I am not sure what will affect them more.. No longer hearing how Hot they are on a constant basis, only that they look good for their Age..OR..The easy Money, which came from How they used to look! Everything has a Payback, some of these Guys are not ready for it, Sadly! IMHO. :+

[Epigonos]

My experience is this area is somewhat different. Most of the guys I have hired are in their thirties and have had other careers prior to escorting. Many of these guys have college degrees and are investing their money in property or the stock market. They do not, to the best of my knowledge, have a drug problem and will eventually retire from escorting and rejoin the main stream of American life.

I have hired a few guys in their early or mid twenties and ALL of them are currently in school. They, most often, don't have finnancial support from family for college and are using their escort income to futher their education. They will most likely finish their schooling and move on to other careers.

Probably the most interesting aspect of my escort hiring experience is that virtually all of the guys I have hired DO NOT meet socities sterotypical idea of what an escort (prostitute) is. In reality they are just the same and just as varied as the rest of society. Damn life is fun and interesting!!!!!

[bootdad]

>Probably the most interesting aspect of my escort hiring

>experience is that virtually all of the guys I have hired DO

>NOT meet socities sterotypical idea of what an escort

>(prostitute) is. In reality they are just the same and just

>as varied as the rest of society. Damn life is fun and

>interesting!!!!!

 

Well - I know that I am not the oldest guy here, but as I turn 50 I realize I probably hired my first at Rounds in NYC in the mid-80's.

 

OH MY GOD ! those were good years and great memories and there have been several wonderful threads that have explored that GOLDEN age of escorting.

 

Do you really think there is a stereotypical escort (male) from a societal perspective . . . I doubt if such a sterotype even exists within the gay community. I have come across dozens of boys who I was convinced were escorts in reality they were simply exhibitionists and no amount of $$$ would get them into bed for sex. SAD but TRUE.

 

On the other hand I had a regular for almost 5 years (that had travelled to more than a dozen places with me - including several weekend trips to the Carribean and a trip to the Folsom St. Fair where he dressed only in boots, leather shorts and a collar - and GOD was that boy hung like a donkey) that very exciting relationship, one of the few boys I was genuinely addicted to - ended abruptly when he as transferred to my bank as the new asst. manager.

 

I did not even recognize him in his bad suit the first time as I did a double take. I had never seen him in anything but shredded jeans, tank top, chaps and boots and just did not make the connection with this guy in a suit.

 

A few years later - he did several porn films, an x boyfriend of his sent them to the manager and he was asked for his resignation from the bank and the real funny thing is he never went back to escorting which he easily could have done. For whatever mysterious reason he preferred the drone of a office environment.

[Epigonos]

Hi bootdad. Yes I do think that is this country (USA) there is a stereotypical image of what an escort (prostitute), male or female, is like. I think most people believe that they are:

1. Young

2. Homeless

3. Uneducated

4. Drug Addicted and

5. Desperate

My experiences thus far have proven, to me at least, that this is NOT THE CASE. Virtually all of the guys I have hooked up with are typical of the society as a whole and make generalizations absurd.

[bootdad]

What you are describing I suspect most of us would refer to as a street ####, a hustler or possibly street skank.

There was a time long before the internet when you actually could pic up a cute good looking boy off the street in many urban centers that all had a notorious track as the area was often referred to. I would say that opportunity evaporated more than a decade ago. This is a far too risky arena now if you place any value on your life as what is on the street now would often not hesitate to injure or kill you for their next hit.

The stereotype you describe exists - YES - but that tends to be a drug addicted gay for pay street hustler and I would hardly compare that with the type of escorts we have been discussing. But let there be no doubt that many of the best escorts struggle with serious drug problems and in some cases do wind up homeless and destitute. It is truly a fine line walking between escorting and hustling for many.

[+ deej]

Guys, this is a great discussion but wouldn't it be better off in a thread that ISN'T about Steven Draker? ;-)