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[SmallTownJohn]

I took a massive nap after arriving back from Florida. I had some work too. I just read that my new website is the topic of controversy. So while the Death Dealers loom, I've decided to ask my clients.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'd like responses BE ONLY from guys who've met me, know what I'm about and how I work. I want positive responses to help me logically present my site to the public.

 

(I believe I have a decent approval rating among my clientele. I am a companion. That is what this particular site is all about.)

 

Back to DISCLAIMER, I'll not allow bickering. I'll invoke the alert button-posters & reviewed scorts' right-should any occur.>>>To the moderators, first one to catch a red alert wins a box of Christie Cookies...email me your address in confidence. They are shipped from their store in Nashville. "Jesus would eat Christie Cookies," according to my partner. LOL

 

To my clients...

 

When this topic came up in the old thread, I thought it was established that we(escorts collective) aren't in that

pet, limo, tube of Preparation H from WalMart-type situation. We can have limitations as to what we will and won't do with our personal space.

 

Every escort isn't for every guy. That's how this whole thing works. Everyone has choice. And what I find so ironic is that I'll be hitting the cinema this weekend with my partner and an escort in Atlanta who is fifty percent African-American. He's a great guy. But he will not accept clients that fall within that fifty percentile of his heritage. No matter if he is threatened with the "isn't my stuff green enough" speech or a barrage of racial slurs. It's his choice on his space...PERIOD! And folks are cool because he takes no shit.

 

So, do I leave the question on my site as is? or do I tone it down like all the other escorts? I speak to many across the country and they use "selective" or "exclusive" or choose to demand pic/stats. Some just delete emails. ALL GAY MEN have their unsaid limitations. Bullshit if you think otherwise. Should I assert the last line of my site disclaimer that when I arrive or should I feel uncomfortable, I can refuse?

 

I personally prefer to be upfront. I don't hate anyone. You just aren't gonna teach "a grew up straight-n-closeted, now I'm a gay companion" new tricks. Ode to Kelly Osbourne: "Its my car keys, my body, my penis"

 

Hooboy has tons of fine companions reviewed on this site who would more than welcome these folks into their clientele lists.

 

Finally, do I go into semi-retirement from all of this and concentrate on my regulars?

 

I love my guys. I have a great time. I'm not on crystal meth. I'm not on antidepressants or a drunk. I'm not a bar fly. I'm healthy. Never stood anyone up or ripped anyone off. Keep it hard...LOL

 

The email can be vicious and kinda rough sometimes. And mind game fatigue is hard but we all have to deal with it. No Shows can be a pain in the ass too.

 

But I dig what I do.

 

 

What do my past clients think?

 

 

My partner,"the CEO of FagCo" and my webmaster," thequeertheycouldnthang" welcome your suggestions for my new site.

 

 

I appreciate your time,

 

John

http://www.stj1.com

[Rick Munroe]

>I'd like responses BE ONLY from guys who've met

>me, know what I'm about and how I work.

 

Unfortunately, John, this is an open forum and none of us (aside from administrators, who have that neat-o "delete" button) can dictate who can and cannot reply to our posts. So, pardon me if I reply. No harm intended.

 

>do I tone it

>down like all the other escorts? I speak to many across the

>country and they use "selective" or "exclusive" or choose to

>demand pic/stats. Some just delete emails.

 

I don't think anyone here should or can speak for "all the other escorts." And you can't compare those of us who require that clients be clean & safe & healthy with those who require certain stats, pics, races, etc. It's really not the same thing at all. Personally, I have no rules regarding a client's age, race, body type, etc. The only time I have ever turned anyone down for a reason other than that they wanted to party or bareback (two things I will never do) was the rare case where it was -- I'm trying to find a nice way to put it -- well, let's just say it would have been anatomically diffiçile (pardon my French) for me to be "on top of things" without a 27" dick between my legs. And in that case, it was really a matter of my not wanting to disappoint. But anyway, my point is that all the other escorts are not just "toning it down."

[Guest LuvBoys]

John, you'll just have to accept the hypocrisy of this board. Every gay man does have their preferences. And I bet a great many of the clients here won't see black escorts, or blue ones, or green ones, or those with hair, or those without hair, or those past or under a certain age.

 

You've got to look at the posters attacking you. This is their life. This board is all they have and no matter what is said they'll swarm in to bitch and snipe.

 

They have no respect for the ones they're calling "whores", because they have no respect for themselves.

 

There are about a dozen posters, just scan the strings, that have said so much in quantity, but so little in quality, that everyone just ignores them now.

 

Whatever you do, please, do not let them cause you to do anything other than what you're doing now. They're meaningless and you should treat their posts as such.

 

None of them are that important and, most certainly, none of them have any influence. Shrug it off and go about your business. You have what they don't......something someone else wants.

[MichiganMan]

This sure looks like the start of a great way to hype your new website to me!

[PeneAmpio]

I'm not a frequent reader of or poster to the message center, but I did stumble on this thread about/from STJ and figured I'd add my two cents (especially since he asked his clients to chime in). I've hired John more than any other escort and I've always found him fully professional in every way. To be honest, it never really occured to me that he was more selective than some (or discriminating, if you want to put it that way) in terms of who he'll accept as clients. I think this line of work is different from others, and I find it's a wonderment that so many of the professionals in the business can perform well for clients whom they've never seen and might not be attracted to. While I don't consider myself a troll, if I were fantastically attractive, I might be able to sleep with the types guys I'm hiring for free. So I'm thankful that there are those out there who will provide these services for me. Just like I won't hire every or any escort I see on this site, John certainly has the right not to accept every client. I'm politically liberal and try not to discriminate in my life and work, but if John can't get it up for some who might want to hire him, it's his right to make that clear up front. An escort not being able to perform for a client he doesn't find attractive (for whatever reason) is a little different from the lunch counter at Woolworth's. I know it's a fine line and a slippery slope and all those things, but I guess I'm not swayed to stop seeing John over this. I'll look forward to his next visit to my city when I can hang out with a sweet guy, bask in his southern charm and take a ride on that killer dick.

[Skyyguy]

John -

I met you in Orlando last year.

I will certainly back you up on your choice.

 

1. I don't hire black escorts. Just not my thing. Same for Latin guys. It's not the look, it's how they talk. Just a turn off for both. Howver, Australian, British, and Isreali (sp) accents are hot!

2. You shouldn't have to "date" anyone that isn't your type.

3. I don't understand why anyone can view your choice as anything but your choice.

4. I'm sure some (not all) other escorts have the same view, against one type or several, they just don't discuss it as openly, and when they find out, they may decline the date indivdiually.

5. For the ones that practice EEE (equal opportunity escorting) - hey thats fine. That's the varity in life. More power to them and everyone.

 

 

You make a great point, you need to feel a little chemistry as well.

 

(and you did with me, I had a great time. You are a very fun loving, person. It wasn't a rushed, mechanical, go through the motions encounter I had with you. I felt that I was a good friend, and you missed me, even though we had never met!)

 

Hmm.. Thinking about you has caused a feeling in me.. Too bad I'm at the office.

[Guest LG320126]

John -

 

The only thing I would fault you on is starting this thread - all you've done is ask for the reigning assholes to jump all over you and with you not being a bottom, that's not going to work. You have the right to see and be hired by anyone your southern lil heart desires and I am glad to have been one of them. Hope to see you soon.

 

Larry

[SmallTownJohn]

Thank You for all the posts and emails. I haven't laughed that hard in a LOOONG time at some of things you wrote!

 

thequeertheycouldnthang has limited time this weekend for site updates so we went for a quick decision. We are keeping my site as is. Thanks for your input.

 

Oh yeah, I would NEVER try to speak for other scorts. Again, I was going by the last time we discussed this same situation on this board. And the time before that we discussed this on the board. And preparing for the next time I switch sites and this all repeats again.<G>

 

Referring back to my emails today when someone wrote, "John, you are still very new to the gay scene. You aren't obsessed with committing ALL the seven deadly sins, every day, every night or at least before bedtime."

 

That's great,

 

John

http://www.stj1.com

[woodlawn]

If you really are only interested in getting suggestions for your website, don't bother reading this post. I have never seen any of your websites and I don't care what you have on them.

 

Kudos to Rick for reminding you that members of this board don't have the right to create private threads that are restricted to those posters they want to include, and to those comments they think are appropriate. If you can't stand hearing opinions that are different from yours, you shouldn't be spending your time on a message board at all.

 

I don't know why you thought anything was "established" by the past threads on this topic. This is a message board, not a legislature, and the opinions of the tiny handful of people who have participated in the various threads on this topic don't "establish" any rules that anyone has to obey.

 

For the record, I don't care whether you exclude clients for racial reasons. It's not your behavior that interests me, but the behavior of clients whose liberal principles, as dear old Doug pointed out in his inimitable way, seem to vanish whenever they collide with the individual's desire to get his rocks off. What would really interest me is finding out that one of these silly old duffers actually refused to hire you as a matter of principle, but -- call me cynical if you must -- I really don't expect that to happen.

[Kippy]

John,

 

Do what you do best and "FUCK 'EM"!!! You are one of the sweetest and most professional in the business and made my month when I saw you last year in Minneapolis. You can come to my lake cabin any time and ride my canoe!! Perhaps the old adage isn't true-- "The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice!" KUDOS to you John--- laugh them off!

 

Peace,

 

Kippy

[VaHawk]

>Kudos to Rick for reminding you that members of this board

>don't have the right to create private threads that are

>restricted to those posters they want to include, and to those

>comments they think are appropriate. If you can't stand

>hearing opinions that are different from yours, you shouldn't

>be spending your time on a message board at all.

 

Well stated. But then again, doing so gets publicity, and to paraphrase MANY of our MOST respected escort contributors on the mc, "bad publicity is better than NO publicity at ALL"!

 

>This is a message board, not a legislature, and the opinions of the tiny handful of people who have participated in the various threads on this topic don't "establish" any rules that anyone has to obey.

 

I agree in principal. But let's not forget that there are a lot, certainly not a majority, imo, of clients/potential clients who JUST CAN'T make a decision on hiring an escort without that BLESSING from the 1% of clients who post here!

>

>For the record, I don't care whether you exclude clients for

>racial reasons.

 

Same here, as, imo, STJ and any other escort has the right to choose what clientele they will cater to, and NOTHING should be denigrational about such choices, but only if the escort, as it seems STJ does, states that preference UP FRONT. I guess that is why I find NOTHING wrong with STJ's statement on his web page, as such restrictions stated up front are much more preferential than agreeing to meet up with any client, and not being able to perform as promised. HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY, like all such adages, are rooted in truthful observations.

 

>It's not your behavior that interests me, but

>the behavior of clients whose liberal principles, as dear old

>Doug pointed out in his inimitable way, seem to vanish

>whenever they collide with the individual's desire to get his

>rocks off.

 

As someone else stated, a BIG COCK excuses a lot. So does a smooth twinkie boy that looks underaged, which is SO APPEALING to so many clients. Those little twinkies are thus automatically endowed with the wisdom of the ages, just because those old clients desire their escort boy cock! And when anyone has the AUDACITY to call those twinkies on the carpet for their "uninformed" opinions, then all the nubile boy worshippers will FLAG that post, and such a post will see the light of day that a dumpster affords.

 

>What would really interest me is finding out that

>one of these silly old duffers actually refused to hire you as

>a matter of principle, but -- call me cynical if you must -- I

>really don't expect that to happen.

 

I guess I'm cynical also, woodlawn! I would expect to see Satan ice skating on HellPond first! }(

[+ deej]

>As someone else stated, a BIG COCK excuses a lot. So does a

>smooth twinkie boy that looks underaged, which is SO APPEALING

>to so many clients. Those little twinkies are thus

>automatically endowed with the wisdom of the ages, just

>because those old clients desire their escort boy cock!

>And when anyone has the AUDACITY to call those twinkies on the

>carpet for their "uninformed" opinions, then all the nubile

>boy worshippers will FLAG that post, and such a post will see

>the light of day that a dumpster affords.

 

Huh? Where did this crap come from? You do realize, don't you, that you sound exactly like the proprietor of Cupcake/Nationwide Escorts?

 

Right now, I can't even FIND the no-show section but I don't remember it being populated with twinks. Or in any way dominated by guys who prefer twinks, or guys with big cocks.

 

I can tell you from personal experience that a big cock may explain a lot but it's no substitute for service. It's been a long time since I was was a twink (if I ever was one) but clients still expected delivery.

 

Are you complaining about twinks, or guys with big cocks, or are you just complaining for the sake of complaining?

[Guest LuvBoys]

Is there anyone that deej hasn't accused of being with Cupcakes yet?

 

Very odd that he now revolves his entire life around the subject and as usual is off on his current obsession.

 

Geesh, I bet you see a Nazi behind every tree too.

 

LOL

 

What a lame queen you are.

[VaHawk]

>Huh? Where did this crap come from? You do realize, don't you,

>that you sound exactly like the proprietor of

>Cupcake/Nationwide Escorts?

 

WOW! Who's paranoid?

 

This CRAP came from my latest encounter with the twink boy du jour, that, STUPID me, actually HAD the UNMITIGATED GALL, to question his "sacrosanct opinions" and "advice" to all of us "old fucks over 40 yo!".

 

Such opinions DEFINITELY should be deleted to protect those "litte gods", right?

 

I usually just laugh off opinions from such cluesless youthful guys, but I really resented that my response, totally innocuous, was DEEMED as a personal attack by one of the moderators on this site, and thus deleted!

 

What other conclusion could I possibly come to, except that the moderators let their lust rule their reason, especially when they SWOOP DOWN to protect the latest little twink boy du jour?

 

>Are you complaining about twinks, or guys with big cocks, or

>are you just complaining for the sake of complaining?

 

PLEASE return to square one!!!! I'm not complaining at all! Just making a valid comment, that NO ONE is ALLOWED to dispute the statements of the "cute, boyish" escort du jour, and that anyone who does so, leaves himself WIDE OPEN to the "blatant" censorship that THIS site insists on exercising, WHILE denying that such "censorship" exists!

 

Censorship TOTALLY SUCKS! Even pre-arranged "deals" with "special, preferred" escorts, DOESN'T change that basic fact!

[Barry]

>I usually just laugh off opinions from such cluesless youthful

>guys, but I really resented that my response, totally

>innocuous, was DEEMED as a personal attack by one of the

>moderators on this site, and thus deleted!

 

Your resentment is noted.

 

>What other conclusion could I possibly come to, except that

>the moderators let their lust rule their reason, especially

>when they SWOOP DOWN to protect the latest little twink boy du

>jour?

 

"SWOOP DOWN"? How dramatic.

 

>PLEASE return to square one!!!! I'm not complaining at all!

>Just making a valid comment, that NO ONE is ALLOWED to dispute

>the statements of the "cute, boyish" escort du jour, and that

>anyone who does so, leaves himself WIDE OPEN to the "blatant"

>censorship that THIS site insists on exercising, WHILE denying

>that such "censorship" exists!

 

More drama. Actually the most recent post I deleted was written by a non-escort member attacking another non-escort member on a subject unrelated in any way to escorts. In fact, the member being attacked was someone you seem to admire. Your cries of censorship seem to be selective.

 

>Censorship TOTALLY SUCKS! Even pre-arranged "deals" with

>"special, preferred" escorts, DOESN'T change that basic fact!

>

 

Now who's paranoid?

[+ deej]

>PLEASE return to square one!!!! I'm not complaining at all!

 

OK, then you're whining. Either way, it isn't pretty.

 

>Censorship TOTALLY SUCKS! Even pre-arranged "deals" with

>"special, preferred" escorts, DOESN'T change that basic fact!

>

 

Don't worry, they really ARE out to get you. ;-)

 

It's kinda fun to delete an occasional post "just because" since it gets people all puffed up about censorship. When it gets a little dull around here we scratch our heads and wonder "who's fun to piss off?" (Just kidding!)

 

The few messages we delete are usually the result of an Alert. Don't post things that generate alerts and you stand a good chance of not having your posts deleted. If you slam someone without cause and someone complains, you've done yourself in. Cooked your own goose. Screwed the pooch.

 

It's a fairly simple formula, really.

[+ deej]

>"SWOOP DOWN"? How dramatic.

 

Oh yeah, you missed the rehearsal.

 

Hooboy got it after a few tries, but it turns out Daddy is our resident Super Swooper. :+

[KY_TOP]

STJ, as a former client of yours I think your review #37, that I wrote speaks for itself. In addition to that visit I was glad to have had your companionship again and would still be in line to see you when our paths crossed if I still hired. I found you to be a real Southern Gentlemen, nice, caring and good company.

 

As for your site, I feel there is nothing wrong with being upfront and honest about your sexual taste. It definitely helps to head off bad encounters from yours and the clients perspective. When it comes to sex we all have certain taste. I have been lucky to enjoy a variety of sexual types and am amazed at the number of Escorts had seem to be able to perform with all types. It also should be of no surprise that of the many Escorts I have been with and become friends with, that I have heard many of their "horror" stories about clients they had been with that really did not appeal to them. Also how viagra had made it so much easier.

 

Being an Escort is definitely a "service" but I'm not sure comparing sexual preferences involved with this service can compare to other "service" industries. We all have sexual preferences, some don't like muscle guys but like twinks, some like muscle boys but don't like twinks, some are size queens and don't want average dicked guys, some don't find Latinos or Asians attractive, some don't like middle aged white men like me. Does that make these guys bigots against twinks, muscle guys, small dicked guys, Latinos, Asians, or middle aged white men? Most here won't have sex with a woman, does that make them a bigot against women? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with being honest about your sexual preferences EVEN if you are an Escort.

 

But really the question is for you yourself to answer and no one else. Has your preference hurt your business in the past? If not it probably won't in the future and you aren't going to change anyone's mind here that does or doesn't agree with your site's statement. The only person you have to face in the mirror each morning is yourself, not anyone here. As long as you are honest with yourself and feel comfortable with yourself then that is all that really matters.

[Guest pomerol]

OK, putting the ethics and marketing issues aside, I am interested in how you operatrionalize this. Does your blackout apply to mixed-race people like your partner? Also, does it apply to light-skinned Black people whose skin color is lighter than a tanned Italian, Spanish or Portuguese prospective client? Does your exclusionary rule apply to white folks whose facial features have left them with higher cheek bones, bigger noses and thicker lips than some so-called "African Americans". Isn't miscegenation such a complicated thing?